| 162. No, I don't have time. |
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Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 11:23 PM by Jed Dilligan
I could dig up "evidence" for you, but I know the next step of this tired high-school debate crap you are pulling along with 700,000 time wasters on the Internet at any given time. People escape gangs and Islam. It happens. For most people, it is as you say "basically not a realistic prospect." If you want to do something about something, I would recommend looking at the gangs in your own country before the religion in someone else's. But I suspect you don't. on edit, just because I am really sick of this rhetorical bullshit: http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/jjbulletin/9808/why.html snip A few are virtually born into gangs as a result of neighborhood traditions and their parents' earlier (and perhaps continuing) gang participation or involvement in criminal activity (Moore, 1978). |
| -Hanged for being a Christian in Iran |
Psephos |
Oct-12-08 10:48 PM |
#0 |
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Mistranslation! Agitprop! |
rockymountaindem |
Oct-12-08 10:50 PM |
#1 |
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Yup! |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-13-08 12:28 AM |
#16 |
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Just because that's usually where it always ends up with the fucking U.S. |
tjwash |
Oct-13-08 01:01 PM |
#88 |
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So you have something to disprove the article? |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-13-08 01:10 PM |
#90 |
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telegraph.co.uk? Are you fucking serious? That's like linking to "little green footballs" |
tjwash |
Oct-13-08 02:21 PM |
#93 |
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BWAHAHA! |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-13-08 02:40 PM |
#97 |
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"you and other posters like you", "So fucking predictable." |
tjwash |
Oct-13-08 02:58 PM |
#100 |
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More pathetic ad hominems. |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-13-08 03:04 PM |
#102 |
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Some people have been predicting the invasion of Iran since early 2004. It's an annual event quoting |
ohio2007 |
Oct-13-08 08:02 PM |
#139 |
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So you do support bombing and murdering millions of innocents based on this? |
The Stranger |
Oct-13-08 06:09 PM |
#123 |
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I do. However... |
Rage for Order |
Oct-13-08 08:37 PM |
#140 |
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Didn't think I had asked you. |
The Stranger |
Oct-14-08 09:30 AM |
#176 |
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So you do support the death penalty for changing one's religion? |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-14-08 12:53 AM |
#167 |
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The implication from your response is that you would support war murdering millions based on this. |
The Stranger |
Oct-14-08 09:29 AM |
#175 |
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The implication from your question and response is that you support... |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-14-08 12:16 PM |
#187 |
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Then duly note this: |
The Stranger |
Oct-14-08 01:21 PM |
#188 |
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Then, you too, should duly note: |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-14-08 01:37 PM |
#190 |
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Except given that the world is already locked in an ideologically based war driven by this fallacy, |
The Stranger |
Oct-14-08 05:49 PM |
#191 |
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You have done nothing of the sort. |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-14-08 08:44 PM |
#192 |
| -
How about my uncle in Tehran... |
LooseWilly |
Oct-13-08 10:21 PM |
#152 |
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And this has what to do with the veracity of the claims of the article? |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-14-08 12:52 AM |
#166 |
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I guess I don't see the point to it myself |
JPettus |
Oct-13-08 10:56 PM |
#160 |
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Cheers, I say. |
LooseWilly |
Oct-13-08 11:35 PM |
#165 |
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Where does this article say anything about the US trying to "fix the culture?" |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-14-08 12:57 AM |
#168 |
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I'm not sure it's a valid analogy |
JPettus |
Oct-14-08 09:00 AM |
#173 |
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Sure do hope Sarah doesn't see this. |
dgibby |
Oct-12-08 10:50 PM |
#2 |
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"who leaves his Islamic faith" |
Boojatta |
Oct-12-08 10:54 PM |
#3 |
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Yes , according the those cavemen |
UndertheOcean |
Oct-13-08 08:47 AM |
#53 |
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Uhh, which Cavemen? |
LooseWilly |
Oct-13-08 10:27 PM |
#155 |
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I'm not touching this post with a 10 foot pole |
tularetom |
Oct-12-08 10:55 PM |
#4 |
| -
How about an 11-foot Romanian? |
krispos42 |
Oct-13-08 01:48 AM |
#21 |
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Lol. |
ronnie624 |
Oct-13-08 02:14 AM |
#22 |
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Did you do a facepalm? |
krispos42 |
Oct-13-08 02:28 AM |
#23 |
| -
wow |
iandhr |
Oct-12-08 11:04 PM |
#5 |
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What does this mean ? |
Trajan |
Oct-13-08 12:08 AM |
#9 |
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Delete |
Trajan |
Oct-13-08 12:13 AM |
#10 |
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How do you feel about resettlements, illegal and otherwise, or shoot-to-kill policies |
jrockford |
Oct-13-08 12:15 AM |
#13 |
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Very good points. |
ronnie624 |
Oct-13-08 01:26 AM |
#19 |
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How do you feel about this story? |
leftynyc |
Oct-13-08 07:33 AM |
#32 |
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Hardly consider it changing the subject as it has deep relevance. |
jrockford |
Oct-13-08 07:51 AM |
#38 |
| -
wow! Post of the year here! |
leftchick |
Oct-13-08 08:01 AM |
#44 |
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You going off about bias?!! |
leftynyc |
Oct-13-08 08:11 AM |
#45 |
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You have it backwards |
Phx_Dem |
Oct-13-08 09:42 AM |
#65 |
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"Israel has quite a vested interest" - ah, yes, we've heard this refrain before. Blame the Jews. |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-13-08 10:02 PM |
#149 |
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What, all Iranians? How very racist of you. |
Zhade |
Oct-13-08 12:15 AM |
#14 |
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Said it before, I'll say it again |
rpannier |
Oct-12-08 11:31 PM |
#6 |
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If you readily belive this, you're part of the problem. |
jrockford |
Oct-13-08 12:13 AM |
#11 |
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What do you disagree with about that statement? |
Zevon fan |
Oct-13-08 02:27 PM |
#94 |
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Yes, he does. Or pretends to. There is a blind spot on the Left to this stuff, sadly. |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-13-08 10:24 PM |
#154 |
| -
That whack job talking point just won't die will it? |
India3 |
Oct-13-08 02:41 PM |
#98 |
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I just googled the reporter. Don't know what to think. |
Dr.Phool |
Oct-12-08 11:46 PM |
#7 |
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Like most conservative political writers, |
ronnie624 |
Oct-13-08 11:53 AM |
#72 |
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Just Wait! |
cyr330 |
Oct-12-08 11:57 PM |
#8 |
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I am no fan of Theocracy .... |
Trajan |
Oct-13-08 12:14 AM |
#12 |
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Yes, it's time for our "illustrious" press in the USA to chime in and whip up |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-13-08 12:18 AM |
#15 |
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Long tradition in Islam, but tied more is with our concept of Treason |
happyslug |
Oct-13-08 12:31 AM |
#17 |
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So the the republic of states use cheap public media |
kokono |
Oct-13-08 01:41 AM |
#20 |
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I pointed out some history, which shows WHEN true separation of Church and state occurred. |
happyslug |
Oct-13-08 02:32 AM |
#24 |
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That is some messed up history, there. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Oct-13-08 03:06 AM |
#25 |
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In 1700 Mass. and NY passed laws ordering all Catholic priest to leave under penalty of death |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-13-08 07:37 AM |
#33 |
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Yes and all constitutional under the First Amendment. |
happyslug |
Oct-13-08 02:43 PM |
#99 |
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I think you're referring to the personal freedom of religion guaranteed by the First Amendment |
14thColony |
Oct-13-08 07:35 PM |
#132 |
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The oath applies to both State and Federal Positions, but the religious test is different |
happyslug |
Oct-13-08 10:09 PM |
#150 |
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All proclamations prior to about 1860 went through churches |
happyslug |
Oct-13-08 02:30 PM |
#96 |
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I don't know where you get this idea. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Oct-13-08 07:01 PM |
#129 |
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I did NOT say the Church were one, but that the church were used. |
happyslug |
Oct-13-08 10:44 PM |
#158 |
| -
Religious tolerance among Christian sects |
treestar |
Oct-13-08 04:17 PM |
#109 |
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Time to point out one of the great ironies of US history |
14thColony |
Oct-13-08 07:45 PM |
#135 |
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And how we got there. |
happyslug |
Oct-13-08 11:18 PM |
#163 |
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Tradition, but vile and reprehensible. |
igil |
Oct-13-08 12:37 PM |
#80 |
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Understanding is NOT agreement |
happyslug |
Oct-13-08 02:59 PM |
#101 |
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Iran is a theocracy. People don't get to "vote out" extremism. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-13-08 01:12 AM |
#18 |
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Have you lived there? In the 70s? Recently? No...didn't think so. |
jrockford |
Oct-13-08 07:54 AM |
#39 |
| -
In fact, NPR last week was stating that our allies over there, |
jrockford |
Oct-13-08 07:55 AM |
#40 |
| -
I've heard people who've been there to say that the younger |
treestar |
Oct-13-08 04:27 PM |
#111 |
| -
Yeah, shows what you know. Jump to conclusions much? |
readmoreoften |
Oct-13-08 12:36 PM |
#79 |
| -
I'm not sure you quite grasped my post. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-13-08 12:38 PM |
#81 |
| -
Wow - uttterly disgusting... |
TankLV |
Oct-13-08 03:25 AM |
#26 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-13-08 07:57 AM |
#41 |
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Quit spamming this thread with your anti-Israel bullshit! |
spoony |
Oct-13-08 07:59 AM |
#42 |
| -
The headline is misleading, probably in pursuit of something 'eye catching' |
14thColony |
Oct-13-08 05:17 AM |
#27 |
| -
Oh... |
Dorian Gray |
Oct-13-08 07:44 AM |
#37 |
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If it happened, then no it isn't ok. Any other sources to back this up |
jrockford |
Oct-13-08 07:59 AM |
#43 |
| -
I was being sarcastic. |
Dorian Gray |
Oct-13-08 03:19 PM |
#104 |
| -
I thought I had a couple other sources... |
Rage for Order |
Oct-13-08 08:47 PM |
#143 |
| -
Bull-fucking-Shit. If another "source" - or TEN other sources - were posted, your reply would be: |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-13-08 10:32 PM |
#157 |
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You consider it OK that he was hanged for converting? |
14thColony |
Oct-13-08 08:24 AM |
#51 |
| -
sarcasm |
LSK |
Oct-13-08 12:56 PM |
#86 |
| -
No, I got it |
14thColony |
Oct-13-08 02:12 PM |
#92 |
| -
Sarcasm |
Dorian Gray |
Oct-13-08 03:19 PM |
#105 |
| -
Two 'sarcasm' replies? It's like deja vu all over again! |
14thColony |
Oct-13-08 04:15 PM |
#108 |
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Just want to make sure |
Dorian Gray |
Oct-13-08 06:55 PM |
#128 |
| -
Crazy we even have to discuss this, huh? |
14thColony |
Oct-13-08 07:11 PM |
#130 |
| -
"Hanged for BECOMING a Christian" would be more accurate. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Oct-13-08 03:07 PM |
#103 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-13-08 06:12 AM |
#28 |
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Terrible ideal |
pnutbutr |
Oct-13-08 06:43 AM |
#29 |
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I think Blarch'point is that you can also find passages recommending death for apostasy in the Bible |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-13-08 07:06 AM |
#30 |
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I don't think |
pnutbutr |
Oct-13-08 07:17 AM |
#31 |
| -
Which Christian wrote Deuteronomy again? |
spoony |
Oct-13-08 07:41 AM |
#35 |
| -
So the old testament is not a consideration |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-13-08 12:04 PM |
#73 |
| -
Did you see the post I was replying to? |
spoony |
Oct-14-08 09:35 AM |
#177 |
| -
Anyone think Sarah Palin's church would be any better? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 07:39 AM |
#34 |
| -
FFS... |
spoony |
Oct-13-08 07:44 AM |
#36 |
| -
But my question remains.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 08:16 AM |
#46 |
| -
The question is almost impossibly stupid |
spoony |
Oct-13-08 08:18 AM |
#47 |
| -
Any religion that has absolute power... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 09:08 AM |
#56 |
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Yes, me. Much, much better |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Oct-13-08 09:28 AM |
#62 |
| -
Give them absolute power and see what happens.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 09:37 AM |
#64 |
| -
Fred Phelps? n/t |
Goblinmonger |
Oct-13-08 12:05 PM |
#74 |
| -
Hard to tell. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Oct-13-08 06:04 PM |
#122 |
| -
But the crucial point is that they *don't* have absolute power. |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-13-08 09:57 AM |
#68 |
| -
OK.... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 10:07 AM |
#70 |
| -
There's a difference between being a theocracy, and practicing religious discrimination |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-13-08 01:37 PM |
#91 |
| -
When all political power is held by theists.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 05:02 PM |
#114 |
| -
Thats disgusting |
Lifetimedem |
Oct-13-08 05:58 PM |
#121 |
| -
So you think a Christian theocracy would be all sweetness and light? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 07:44 PM |
#134 |
| -
Gassed for being Muslim in America |
MPK |
Oct-13-08 08:19 AM |
#48 |
| -
No, it's "moral relativism and denial in action" day. |
spoony |
Oct-13-08 08:22 AM |
#49 |
| -
And I'm sure you're offended that black people vote for Obama |
LooseWilly |
Oct-13-08 10:59 PM |
#161 |
| -
Apparently you've never seen |
spoony |
Oct-14-08 09:39 AM |
#178 |
| -
That was a criminal act |
rockymountaindem |
Oct-13-08 09:15 AM |
#59 |
| -
I'm sure the Muslims in the story I posted will be happy to know that. n/t |
MPK |
Oct-13-08 09:25 AM |
#60 |
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I'm sure they will |
rockymountaindem |
Oct-13-08 09:32 AM |
#63 |
| -
I haven't heard of any arrests in that case that I posted. |
MPK |
Oct-13-08 09:43 AM |
#66 |
| -
Hmm?, blinders much? |
LooseWilly |
Oct-13-08 11:22 PM |
#164 |
| -
Barbaric |
UndertheOcean |
Oct-13-08 08:23 AM |
#50 |
| -
also here |
UndertheOcean |
Oct-13-08 08:44 AM |
#52 |
| -
This is why our founding fathers... |
Liberalatus |
Oct-13-08 08:49 AM |
#54 |
| -
But, hey, everyone knows Islamic extremists are no worse than the Republicans... |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Oct-13-08 08:50 AM |
#55 |
| -
I totally agree |
UndertheOcean |
Oct-13-08 09:12 AM |
#57 |
| -
How many dead Christians on 9/11/2001? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 09:13 AM |
#58 |
| -
You can't seriously be using the death toll in Iraq as evidence to defend Muslim extremism? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Oct-13-08 09:26 AM |
#61 |
| -
I wasn't defending anyone at all... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 09:46 AM |
#67 |
| -
Events put in motion by Christian Americans.... |
MellowDem |
Oct-13-08 08:48 PM |
#144 |
| -
The one who made the decision is a Christian.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 10:20 PM |
#151 |
| -
Weak |
MellowDem |
Oct-14-08 09:30 PM |
#193 |
| -
Nice jingo...the Savage Mules are sharpening their fucking hooves I see. |
tjwash |
Oct-13-08 12:35 PM |
#78 |
| -
Why not just talk to yourself? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Oct-13-08 06:09 PM |
#124 |
| -
They are in very different situations, though |
treestar |
Oct-13-08 04:24 PM |
#110 |
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I think that not executing apostates is inherently superior to executing apostates. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Oct-13-08 06:15 PM |
#126 |
| -
Self Delete - Posted Wrong Spot |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-13-08 05:04 PM |
#115 |
| -
Theocracies suck... |
SidDithers |
Oct-13-08 10:01 AM |
#69 |
| -
Yet Iran still has a (relatively speaking) significant Jewish community... |
bullwinkle428 |
Oct-13-08 10:12 AM |
#71 |
| -
The largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside Israel. |
readmoreoften |
Oct-13-08 12:43 PM |
#83 |
| -
Closer to 3000 years |
14thColony |
Oct-13-08 02:27 PM |
#95 |
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Their country, their rules. |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-13-08 12:08 PM |
#75 |
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Human rights do not stop at the lines drawn on maps |
Psephos |
Oct-13-08 12:24 PM |
#76 |
| -
Nice dream, but it will never happen. |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-13-08 12:49 PM |
#85 |
| -
Flowery rhetorical flourishes |
ronnie624 |
Oct-13-08 12:58 PM |
#87 |
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I am not a superpower, don't support a lot of US policy, and will not yield to "practical" cynicism |
Psephos |
Oct-13-08 04:06 PM |
#107 |
| -
Sophistry. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Oct-13-08 04:38 PM |
#112 |
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How is my argument deceiving or confusing? |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-13-08 05:55 PM |
#118 |
| -
Goodie...you think president Pat Robertson would be any more tolerant to moslems or gays? |
tjwash |
Oct-13-08 12:30 PM |
#77 |
| -
awful |
I LUV DEM |
Oct-13-08 12:41 PM |
#82 |
| -
Let's bomb them! Muslims, Christians, ALL OF THEM! |
baby_mouse |
Oct-13-08 12:47 PM |
#84 |
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This what happens when you allow a theocracy to exist |
Neo |
Oct-13-08 01:01 PM |
#89 |
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A million Iraqis killed by Christians because they were born on top of oil |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-13-08 03:27 PM |
#106 |
| -
Really? |
MellowDem |
Oct-13-08 08:53 PM |
#146 |
| -
A million Iraqis were not killed *by Christians* |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-14-08 06:18 AM |
#169 |
| -
So you are saying that if another country invaded America or Britain with Shock and Awe ... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-14-08 07:15 AM |
#170 |
| -
I didn't say that at all!!! |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-14-08 07:30 AM |
#171 |
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Religion is such a comfort n/t |
Canuckistanian |
Oct-13-08 04:50 PM |
#113 |
| -
Awful law, but the last hung was in 1990.... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-13-08 05:07 PM |
#116 |
| -
Especially coming from the Daily Telegraph... |
14thColony |
Oct-13-08 07:58 PM |
#138 |
| -
Can you imagine someone who only spoke and read Farsi trying to understand our politics? |
lelgt60 |
Oct-13-08 05:40 PM |
#117 |
| -
Well, guess first, you have to have an understanding of why people move... |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-13-08 06:15 PM |
#127 |
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They kill gays, too. n/t |
cynatnite |
Oct-13-08 05:56 PM |
#119 |
| -
Maybe we shouldn't have toppled Mosadeq in 1953 |
dailykoff |
Oct-13-08 05:57 PM |
#120 |
| -
Yeah, this guy should have thought about that before he... |
Zevon fan |
Oct-13-08 07:38 PM |
#133 |
| -
Wow |
MellowDem |
Oct-13-08 08:45 PM |
#141 |
| -
Muslims had nothing to do with what happened on 911. |
dailykoff |
Oct-13-08 08:49 PM |
#145 |
| -
Christians had nothing to do with Iraq |
MellowDem |
Oct-13-08 09:11 PM |
#147 |
| -
Some Christians did. |
LeftishBrit |
Oct-14-08 07:33 AM |
#172 |
| -
True enough |
MellowDem |
Oct-14-08 09:33 PM |
#194 |
| -
A pox on all extremist religions, fundamentalist Christianity included. |
Oregonian |
Oct-13-08 06:10 PM |
#125 |
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The consensus of Islamic legal scholars is that apostates must be killed. |
northernsoul |
Oct-13-08 07:28 PM |
#131 |
| -
death to the Xian fundies....death to the Homosexuals...death to the 'spies' |
ohio2007 |
Oct-13-08 07:55 PM |
#136 |
| -
It's kind of like when a gang member gets killed |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-13-08 07:55 PM |
#137 |
| -
But in this case the "gang member" was "signed up" at birth.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 08:47 PM |
#142 |
| -
You think people aren't signed up into gangs at birth? |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-13-08 09:23 PM |
#148 |
| -
If you have evidence that people are indeed signed up for gangs at birth.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 10:22 PM |
#153 |
| -
Common knowledge, a lot of gangs are in their 3rd or 4th generation. |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-13-08 10:30 PM |
#156 |
| -
So you don't have evidence.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-13-08 10:50 PM |
#159 |
| -
No, I don't have time. |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-13-08 11:04 PM |
#162 |
| -
Gangs could easily be decimated overnight.... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-14-08 09:10 AM |
#174 |
| -
I agree with that. I don't agree that our country has ANY business |
Jed Dilligan |
Oct-14-08 01:21 PM |
#189 |
| -
What a remarkable thread. |
spoony |
Oct-14-08 09:53 AM |
#179 |
| -
Maybe the reason there are not so many condemnations about this is because ... |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-14-08 10:17 AM |
#181 |
| -
Do you also doubt they hang gay teens? |
spoony |
Oct-14-08 10:20 AM |
#182 |
| -
Did you believe Saddam was grinding up people in huge shredders too? |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-14-08 10:27 AM |
#184 |
| -
I believe he was a killer. That, like this, deserves condemnation |
spoony |
Oct-14-08 10:34 AM |
#185 |
| -
There is a huge "condemnation overload" on Iran these days.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-14-08 10:24 AM |
#183 |
| -
perhaps a better source is in order |
Skittles |
Oct-14-08 10:44 PM |
#195 |
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Beheaded for being a witch in Saudi Arabia |
loindelrio |
Oct-14-08 10:09 AM |
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really? |
Gwendolyn |
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