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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:19 PM
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58. To bar the STATE from establishing any religion . . . is to put up a wall of protection
against organized religion --

Because of this separation EVERYONE has the right to think for themselves, the right to
personal conscience and self-determination which also includes the right to follow any
dumb religious belief you want to -- even one which interprets the Bible as anti-female,
anti-homosexual, or pro-slavery.
HOWEVER, there will no state advocation for any religious belief you may adopt.

Again . . . the "line" you're talking about is Separation of Church and State and until
the corruption of our Constitution/government offices by the Repugs and the fanatical
religious right, the ban continued on barring government from financially supporting
organizations with religious affiliations. Corruption works for Repugs and the religous
right!


PS:

As for the Ten Commandments . . . again, let me remind you they were originally written
as instructions to MALES ONLY -- !!!

And re Peyote and native Americans, I would guess that ruling has more to do with our
phony Drug War and the desire to keep possession and understanding of any natural plants
out of the hands of citizens

And, again, Christianity is based on a Bible which advocates slavery . . . so, yes, the
KKK was simply spreading widely held Christian beliefs!




You're dead wrong about that-- the Constitution does not...
put up a wall between church and state, it says the state will neither establish a state religion nor interfere with believers. It protects religion, even those that might believe slavery is a God-approved status for some. No one is allowed to actually own slaves, of course, but believing in slavery is allowed.

There are lines that can't be crossed, such as religious symolism, prayers, or such that imply state approval, or actions by believers, as opposed to belief. (Or actually owning slaves-- you can argue all you want for the right to own slaves, but owning them or encourging others to own them will get you fun time in federal prison.)

We can't have the Ten Commandments in courthouses, and Native Americans can't use peyote in ceremonies. these are fairly chickenshit decisions in themselves, but they draw a line. Without the line, we could see judges using Mosaic instead of case law and the "right" to bomb abortion clinics being argued.

Oh, and don't blame Christianity for the Klan or anyone else using it to further their agendas. You don't blame a baseball bat when it's handy use to to bash someone's head in.

http://vanishingquaker.blogspot.com /

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