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Sat Oct-11-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #72 |
| 78. And my point is blaming the victim is NEVER right. |
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And anyone who gives the victims a hard time has to be confronted EVERY single time. And the confrontation has to be done in such a way that they perceive their own limited narrow mindedness or their limited explanation of what they meant and with the intent to educate and enlighten. The abused child becomes the abused adult or the abuser in almost all cases although some actually manage to break the cycle on their own. The cycle must be understood on a fundamental level and the awareness of it must be on a societal level and not just in the courts, the hospitals, or some vague statistical study, etc.
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| -Canada judge tells woman not to call police if battered again |
ccharles000 |
Oct-11-08 12:20 AM |
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He probably has seen many before... |
AzNick |
Oct-11-08 12:28 AM |
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kgfnally |
Oct-11-08 12:35 AM |
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Any stats on how many Canadian battered women are murdered when trying to leave? |
Oregone |
Oct-11-08 01:11 AM |
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The problem with that theory is that this woman had the guts to take the guy to court. |
OmelasExpat |
Oct-11-08 12:37 AM |
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Why do you go back with someone who beats you? |
AzNick |
Oct-11-08 12:44 AM |
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Why do you keep hitting your wife? |
Book Lover |
Oct-11-08 12:48 AM |
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Both my mother and myself were abused by my 1st stepdad |
AzNick |
Oct-11-08 03:55 PM |
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So you are still angry at your abused mother and making excuses for your abusive stepfather |
Book Lover |
Oct-11-08 04:39 PM |
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Yep, indeed. |
AzNick |
Oct-11-08 05:20 PM |
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I was in the same situation, and my mother never left my stepdad. |
OmelasExpat |
Oct-11-08 11:44 PM |
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because they're sick in the head |
Clovis Sangrail |
Oct-11-08 12:51 AM |
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And you help them by blaming them for someone else's abuse? |
Triana |
Oct-11-08 09:21 PM |
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how the hell did I blame them? |
Clovis Sangrail |
Oct-11-08 10:32 PM |
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"Assholism should not be tolerated in a civil society" isn't logical enough for you? |
OmelasExpat |
Oct-11-08 12:57 AM |
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Because the abuser threatens your parents, your kids and your friends with death |
lunatica |
Oct-11-08 02:15 PM |
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A lot of the time, it's because they have no means of self-support |
LeftyMom |
Oct-11-08 03:02 PM |
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When you're battered, leaving your home is the last thing you want to do. |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 07:13 PM |
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There probably is no "logical" explanation... |
Vektor |
Oct-11-08 04:21 PM |
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Well, for some, they don't have the financial |
awoke_in_2003 |
Oct-11-08 04:29 PM |
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Good for you! |
LeftyMom |
Oct-11-08 07:22 PM |
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I do not endorse violence... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Oct-11-08 07:29 PM |
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I understand. |
LeftyMom |
Oct-11-08 07:43 PM |
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You need to read this: |
Stellabella |
Oct-11-08 10:34 PM |
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quit blaming the victim..... wasnt he a victim, more so than his mother? n/t |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 10:53 PM |
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Of course children are the victims of spousal abuse. |
Stellabella |
Oct-11-08 10:55 PM |
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but this is what i dont get. any reason the woman is in that position she is victim |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 11:02 PM |
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There are many, many, many reasons why women stay |
Stellabella |
Oct-11-08 11:05 PM |
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as many mixed up psychological reason there is a woman stays, this man has the mixed |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 11:15 PM |
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But the problem is blaming mom and not blaming the abuser. |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-11-08 11:41 PM |
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i think if you read his post, he certainly has no love for this man and i do not |
seabeyond |
Oct-12-08 12:26 AM |
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Read post 68. |
Stellabella |
Oct-12-08 11:43 AM |
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wtf.... 68 is a poster accusing him of making excuses, NOT him making excuses. he wanted to kick |
seabeyond |
Oct-12-08 11:50 AM |
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What part of this don't you understand? |
Stellabella |
Oct-12-08 02:27 PM |
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So... |
Book Lover |
Oct-11-08 12:45 AM |
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Yea, cause it's so easy for a woman with a suitcase and a bunch |
lizzy |
Oct-11-08 12:55 AM |
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So you agree with the judge - blame the victim |
lunatica |
Oct-11-08 02:13 PM |
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I, for one, say the "Dumb idiots" are the FUCKING ABUSERS. |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-11-08 02:19 PM |
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Blame the victim. Nice! |
Blue State Native |
Oct-11-08 04:09 PM |
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And it's just that fucking simple, huh? |
Chulanowa |
Oct-11-08 04:53 PM |
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aznick, i will be the first mother to say how sorry i am that you experienced the |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 05:20 PM |
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A Canadian judge needs to be disbarred and forced to work in a women's shelter. |
OmelasExpat |
Oct-11-08 12:33 AM |
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Didn't read the actual article did you! |
whistler162 |
Oct-11-08 04:32 AM |
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You don't know anything about the psychology of batterers (or their victims) do you? |
BlueIris |
Oct-11-08 05:06 AM |
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But according to the article, only the woman had the physical evidence to prove an assault on her. |
OmelasExpat |
Oct-11-08 09:53 AM |
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What a relief |
Orrex |
Oct-11-08 12:33 AM |
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I can see how she would be upset |
Clovis Sangrail |
Oct-11-08 12:35 AM |
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Two interesting twists from the actual article |
whistler162 |
Oct-11-08 02:00 AM |
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I don't know if he should have dismissed the charges |
dwickham |
Oct-11-08 02:23 AM |
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Please read some of this information, and rethink your position |
Book Lover |
Oct-11-08 02:32 AM |
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Thanks for posting some hard facts for those in denial of the reality of violence against women. |
BlueIris |
Oct-11-08 05:08 AM |
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Oct-11-08 06:10 AM |
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Clearly you understood nothing in those links |
Book Lover |
Oct-11-08 12:01 PM |
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Oct-11-08 12:49 PM |
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I don't need to read it |
dwickham |
Oct-12-08 01:50 AM |
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Fine |
Book Lover |
Oct-12-08 02:59 AM |
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what anger |
dwickham |
Oct-12-08 03:10 AM |
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Yes, but she'll walk away and he'll abuse another. |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-12-08 09:06 AM |
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Most women who are murdered are killed by their husbands or boyfriends |
lunatica |
Oct-11-08 02:40 PM |
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What an ignorant @sshole. I hope this judge gets his remote kick and high. |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 03:15 AM |
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It's possible that the judge viewed the situation as a two-sided game |
bean fidhleir |
Oct-11-08 05:32 AM |
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So you think taking someone to court for beating you up is akin to beating someone up? |
gollygee |
Oct-11-08 09:58 AM |
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It is if it's part of a game. |
bean fidhleir |
Oct-11-08 10:28 AM |
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That wasn't the point... |
Realityhack |
Oct-11-08 12:37 PM |
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So she wasn't showing the proper feminine passivity in her response? |
thecatburgler |
Oct-11-08 12:47 PM |
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No, judging solely by the article, she's behaving in an inauthentic, gamey way |
bean fidhleir |
Oct-11-08 02:24 PM |
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as a woman, i am not totally opposed to what the judge is saying. and even the womans |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 01:33 PM |
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When you blame the victim, when you create an atmosphere of judgment |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 01:50 PM |
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i am very much into woman rights, i am also into personal responsibility |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 01:55 PM |
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And how often have you connected to the abusers? |
Book Lover |
Oct-11-08 01:59 PM |
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to the abuser? abuse: wrong, bad, no, not ok, no excuse. not a tough one there. that one is real |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 02:08 PM |
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So the answer to my question is no |
Book Lover |
Oct-11-08 02:16 PM |
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no that is not my answer. you interpret wrong. i am not the enemy and not here |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 02:35 PM |
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Thank you for your answer |
Book Lover |
Oct-11-08 02:43 PM |
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i watched my brother and sister in law do this dance for 12 years |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 03:48 PM |
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Thank you very much |
Book Lover |
Oct-11-08 04:40 PM |
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Personal responsibility is not the antithesis of victim. |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 02:05 PM |
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nor did i say that it was. but i could also suggest no responsibility for being in a |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 02:11 PM |
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Blame is not empowering. Judgment is not supportive. Lectures |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 02:17 PM |
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i have also dealt with women that will not honesty look at all sides, angles |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 02:38 PM |
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The really disturbing part is that the judge said NOT TO CALL THE POLICE IF IT HAPPENED AGAIN |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-11-08 02:41 PM |
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They don't deal "honestly"? |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 03:08 PM |
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Personal responsibility gets trumped by terror |
lunatica |
Oct-11-08 02:26 PM |
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you miss the point or misinterpret what i say, or refuse to be open |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 02:40 PM |
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And you are using sweeping generalizations |
lunatica |
Oct-11-08 02:54 PM |
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firstly, you do not know my experiences, so please do not assume |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 03:10 PM |
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Well I won't attack you for being raped, ever and under any circumstances |
lunatica |
Oct-11-08 03:51 PM |
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post 57... even if i see that i have some part in my own rape |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 04:04 PM |
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then rather than say they lack personal responsibility while in an abusive situation |
lunatica |
Oct-11-08 05:23 PM |
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except that isn't true. and if they never hear it then they may never get there |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 05:31 PM |
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It's not up to you to decide what is true for other people. |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 07:12 PM |
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my gosh sf you do it to every poster without hesitation if they do not fall into line with you |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 07:40 PM |
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I'm going to get out of the way of this entire movie you're projecting all over the place. |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 07:52 PM |
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do you want to know my point of bringing in the rape. look at aznick and his thread |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 05:17 PM |
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And my point is blaming the victim is NEVER right. |
lunatica |
Oct-11-08 05:36 PM |
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blaming the victim is NEVER right.... aznick is the ultimate VICTIM and i am addressing |
seabeyond |
Oct-11-08 05:55 PM |
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'Personal responsiblity' is crap when applied to abused women. |
Stellabella |
Oct-11-08 10:56 PM |
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Why do we have so many dumb judges here? |
HEyHEY |
Oct-11-08 02:11 PM |
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Like this one |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-11-08 02:47 PM |
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This thread is full of a lot of stupid. |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-11-08 02:22 PM |
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Yes, it sure is. |
gollygee |
Oct-11-08 03:12 PM |
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I was going to respond to PeaceNikki but you nailed it in topic and body. |
Poll_Blind |
Oct-11-08 03:53 PM |
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i agree |
awoke_in_2003 |
Oct-11-08 04:48 PM |
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I cannot believe this thread has turned to blaming the woman - where is the outrage about the man.. |
Triana |
Oct-11-08 08:42 PM |
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I can. That's how this place rolls, sometimes. |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-11-08 11:23 PM |
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Wow, is all I can say. Rec |
sarcasmo |
Oct-11-08 03:50 PM |
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Violence against women is a MEN'S issue |
PeaceNikki |
Oct-11-08 03:56 PM |
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the first time a victim |
MrsBrady |
Oct-11-08 04:15 PM |
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You need to learn something about this topic before you repeat this stuff again. |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 05:23 PM |
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first hand experience is enough n/t |
MrsBrady |
Oct-11-08 06:14 PM |
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Then, you might want to consider that your experience is yours |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 06:21 PM |
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i can think what i want |
MrsBrady |
Oct-11-08 06:32 PM |
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Exactly. And it works both ways. |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 06:41 PM |
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you are the one that responded to me n/t |
MrsBrady |
Oct-11-08 06:54 PM |
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Yes. You're right. I did do that. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 06:55 PM |
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I understand what the judge meant. They get frustrated with women who keep going back.. |
progressivebydesign |
Oct-11-08 07:07 PM |
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Yes. It's much easier to get frustrated than to actually make a difference. nt |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 07:11 PM |
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Oh the poor judge! |
lunatica |
Oct-11-08 07:23 PM |
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It's sort of weird the way people don't see that trading one abusive |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-11-08 07:56 PM |
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on a Democratic website it is beyond 'weird" |
Skittles |
Oct-11-08 09:03 PM |
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The police and judicial system DO NOT keep helping them out of there.. |
Triana |
Oct-11-08 08:47 PM |
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oh boofuckinghoo for that judge. |
chimpsrsmarter |
Oct-11-08 11:46 PM |
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A reply to those who agree with the judges decision |
JonLP24 |
Oct-12-08 02:17 AM |
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That's a description specifically of a criminal psychopath. Fortunately, they're rare. |
bean fidhleir |
Oct-12-08 08:18 AM |
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You're right |
JonLP24 |
Oct-13-08 02:07 AM |
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Dude - I gotta ask: What's with the stalker-pic in your sig? |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-12-08 08:19 AM |
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... |
ccharles000 |
Oct-12-08 09:06 AM |
#120 |