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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Homosexuality is not "learned, engendered, or otherwise developed."
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 11:43 PM by Clarkie1
It's not more a choice than the color of your skin.

Now, you do make one point I agree with. It's O.K. for Pace, or Clinton, or whomever to say that homosexuality is immoral for themselves, within their value system for their person, but it's definitely not o.k. to say homosexuality itself is immoral, because that's the same as saying homsexuals are immoral, or black people are immoral, or Chinese people, or whomever.
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  -Q: "Are Black people immoral?" A: "I'll leave that for others to conclude." Clarkie1  Mar-14-07 11:16 PM   #0 
  - "Is the Iraq War immoral?" A: "I'll leave that for others to conclude."  eleny   Mar-14-07 11:19 PM   #1 
  - What the hell are you talking about?  Erika   Mar-14-07 11:20 PM   #2 
  - I will clarify....see edited OP shortly. nt  Clarkie1   Mar-14-07 11:21 PM   #3 
  - right you are.  robinlynne   Mar-14-07 11:21 PM   #4 
  - Um, a bit fuzzy on the details  Canuckistanian   Mar-14-07 11:22 PM   #5 
  - Please see edited OP for clarification. nt  Clarkie1   Mar-14-07 11:23 PM   #6 
  - Must be referring to presidential hopeful Clinton on gays  nilram   Mar-14-07 11:29 PM   #11 
  - Are you using race as an example of an immutable characteristic? And homosexuality is also?  Ninja Jordan   Mar-14-07 11:26 PM   #7 
  - I do. It's who a person is a much as a color of their skin. nt  Clarkie1   Mar-14-07 11:27 PM   #8 
  - Then your example is beyond idiotic (nm).  Ninja Jordan   Mar-14-07 11:28 PM   #10 
     - Well...we clearly disagree.  Clarkie1   Mar-14-07 11:30 PM   #12 
     - Blacks were killed for trying to fucking read. I can SEE someone who is black.  Ninja Jordan   Mar-14-07 11:31 PM   #14 
        - You are making those comparisons not me.  Clarkie1   Mar-14-07 11:34 PM   #16 
        - Uh, you're comparing being gay to being black. Do you read what you post?  Ninja Jordan   Mar-14-07 11:36 PM   #19 
           - Being gay is as much a part of a person as their skin color,  Midlodemocrat   Mar-15-07 10:31 AM   #98 
           - Oh come on  treestar   Mar-15-07 11:47 AM   #104 
           - I didn't choose my skin color or my orientation.  mondo joe   Mar-15-07 12:51 PM   #113 
        - And gays have been killed for trying fucking BREATHE.  Lex   Mar-15-07 12:49 AM   #42 
        - yes. eom  nofurylike   Mar-15-07 12:52 AM   #45 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-15-07 01:58 AM   #62 
           - "Stay behind closed doors"  Big Pappa   Mar-15-07 02:28 AM   #64 
           - Sure it's wrong, but Rosie O'Donnell isn't frickin MLK  Ninja Jordan   Mar-15-07 02:59 AM   #68 
              - We  Big Pappa   Mar-15-07 03:48 AM   #70 
              - You should quit while you're behind... way behind.  Bonobo   Mar-15-07 04:21 AM   #72 
              - Sorry, but the civil rights struggle blacks face isn't comparable to gay marriage  Ninja Jordan   Mar-15-07 11:38 AM   #99 
                 - For fuck's sake no one sane is trying to make the comparison  Chovexani   Mar-15-07 03:35 PM   #137 
              - That's plain idiotic. "Rosie O'Donnel isn't frickin MLK"???  Lex   Mar-15-07 08:40 AM   #77 
              - Who the fuck said she was?  mondo joe   Mar-15-07 09:26 AM   #81 
              - Let's get real here. Does Coretta Scott King's opinion carry any weight here?  94114_San_Francisco   Mar-15-07 11:44 AM   #101 
                 - I love it... but nobody wants to touch this...  Flubadubya   Mar-15-07 11:58 AM   #107 
                 - The only problem is, there's a huge amount of classism and racism in the urban gay community.  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-15-07 03:13 PM   #128 
           - "Choose" to live a "lifestyle" behind closed doors?  Harvey Korman   Mar-15-07 04:11 AM   #71 
           - Wow. Your bigotry is showing.  haruka3_2000   Mar-15-07 09:21 AM   #78 
           - Bullshit. Gays are attacked for simply EXISTING.  mondo joe   Mar-15-07 09:23 AM   #79 
           - Um. So are blacks.  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-15-07 03:14 PM   #129 
              - Which proves they are alike. Duh.  mondo joe   Mar-15-07 03:23 PM   #132 
           - A. It's not a "lifestyle" it's an orientation--a facet of one's entire being  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Mar-15-07 12:09 PM   #109 
           - A black person can't pass as white? Are you serious?  uppityperson   Mar-15-07 12:59 PM   #115 
           - I can't decide if that's more offensive or stupid.  Starbucks Anarchist   Mar-15-07 03:24 PM   #133 
           - Gay people are killed all the time. Read the news.  yardwork   Mar-15-07 03:42 PM   #141 
        - heinous(!!!) crimes have been committed, and still are, against  nofurylike   Mar-15-07 12:50 AM   #43 
           - Excuse me, but when were gays "enslaved" as you say?  Tyrone Slothrop   Mar-15-07 09:48 AM   #87 
              - Try Nazi Germany. NT  mondo joe   Mar-15-07 09:50 AM   #89 
                 - I don't exactly consider that slavery  Tyrone Slothrop   Mar-15-07 10:14 AM   #94 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-15-07 12:47 PM   #111 
     - Idiotic, hm? That's nice.  yardwork   Mar-15-07 03:41 PM   #140 
  - Oh? And why not, exactly?  Canuckistanian   Mar-14-07 11:32 PM   #15 
  - No I don't think it's a choice. However, comparing it to blacks' 150 year civil rights struggle  Ninja Jordan   Mar-14-07 11:35 PM   #17 
  - Gays have struggled for civil rights too. It's not exclusive to blacks.  Lex   Mar-15-07 12:44 AM   #40 
  - Tell that to the thousands of gays & lesbians who have been  Coventina   Mar-15-07 11:45 AM   #103 
  - Indeed. Even some straight people have been killed  kenny blankenship   Mar-15-07 12:38 AM   #39 
  - Not civil rights movement - but sexual orientation, yes.  donco6   Mar-15-07 04:26 AM   #73 
  - I see your point and I am disgusted. She is going to have to do a gut-check.  Beausoir   Mar-14-07 11:28 PM   #9 
  - I know, and I respect Edwards for that.  Clarkie1   Mar-14-07 11:31 PM   #13 
  - It wasn't an equal rights question.  Bluedogvoter   Mar-14-07 11:36 PM   #20 
  - OK,I'll be the target here. Being of different races is not considered  napi21   Mar-14-07 11:36 PM   #18 
  - Homosexuality is not "learned, engendered, or otherwise developed."  Clarkie1   Mar-14-07 11:40 PM   #21 
  - Then you're saying it's an immutable characteristic--the ONLY relation it has to being black  Ninja Jordan   Mar-14-07 11:42 PM   #22 
  - The "only" relation to the civil rights struggle?  Kingshakabobo   Mar-15-07 12:18 AM   #38 
  - Different struggles for the same thing: legal equality.  mondo joe   Mar-15-07 09:27 AM   #82 
  - I see your point and I agree, it is not a choice, but as I see it, the difference  napi21   Mar-15-07 12:01 AM   #31 
  - What justification do you think slave owners used back in the day?  GloriaSmith   Mar-15-07 12:03 AM   #35 
  - I agree with your point 100%  GloriaSmith   Mar-14-07 11:46 PM   #23 
  - To answer Clarkie1- Hillary Clinton gave an awful answer  herbster   Mar-14-07 11:49 PM   #24 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-07 11:51 PM   #25 
  - I'll leave that for others to conclude.  Bluedogvoter   Mar-14-07 11:53 PM   #27 
     - Welcome to DU!  renate   Mar-15-07 02:36 AM   #66 
  - I haven't read other responses. I'll stick my head into the noose.  leftofthedial   Mar-14-07 11:51 PM   #26 
  - I'm not a supporter of HRC ( for president ) but  jaysunb   Mar-14-07 11:55 PM   #28 
  - exactly  SemperEadem   Mar-15-07 01:30 PM   #117 
  - Q: Are white people immoral? My A: ?????????? How the heck should I know ??  terisan   Mar-14-07 11:56 PM   #29 
  - Suprisingly, I think its a decent answer  champt10   Mar-15-07 12:01 AM   #32 
  - Interesting argument.  Bluedogvoter   Mar-15-07 12:03 AM   #34 
     - Thank you.  champt10   Mar-15-07 12:04 AM   #36 
  - Gitmo is a" tactical decision"  IChing   Mar-15-07 12:00 AM   #30 
  - not really a good analogy. Sexual orientation can't always be replaced by race  ComerPerro   Mar-15-07 12:02 AM   #33 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-15-07 12:07 AM   #37 
  - So when did you choose your sexual orientation?  GreenJ   Mar-15-07 12:49 AM   #41 
  - I think when talking in terms of...  champt10   Mar-15-07 12:51 AM   #44 
  - I've got news for you. Homosexuality is more than who you have sex with.  Lex   Mar-15-07 12:54 AM   #47 
  - Bullshit  ruggerson   Mar-15-07 12:57 AM   #49 
  - Being gay is not about sex  FreeState   Mar-15-07 01:01 AM   #51 
  - Sad  ends_dont_justify   Mar-15-07 01:03 AM   #52 
  - You are seriously confused about sexual orientation.  donco6   Mar-15-07 04:29 AM   #74 
  - Orientation is not limited to when you have sex. Let's educate you here.  mondo joe   Mar-15-07 09:28 AM   #83 
  - ummmmm.....  Neecy   Mar-15-07 10:00 AM   #92 
  - Ignorant post.  cwydro   Mar-15-07 12:05 PM   #108 
  - Fucking cowardly answer  GreenJ   Mar-15-07 12:53 AM   #46 
  - To some people  ends_dont_justify   Mar-15-07 12:57 AM   #48 
  - Q: "Are white males immoral?" A: "I'll leave that for others to conclude."  leftofthedial   Mar-15-07 12:58 AM   #50 
  - Some will come to that conclusion --Just keep personal opinions OUT of  rodeodance   Mar-15-07 01:07 AM   #53 
  - Good way to make a point, Clarkie1. What about HERMAPHRODITES???  Duppers   Mar-15-07 01:08 AM   #54 
  - I think the difference is - Some see gay as a verb while being black is a noun  The Straight Story   Mar-15-07 01:13 AM   #55 
  - And if so, they're ignorant about sexual orientation.  donco6   Mar-15-07 04:33 AM   #75 
  - Can you identify a gay person by just looking at them?  jeffrey_X   Mar-15-07 01:31 AM   #56 
  - There's plenty of people who'd disagree with you, with the topic of random anti gay violence NT  ends_dont_justify   Mar-15-07 01:34 AM   #57 
  - Does it matter?  FreeState   Mar-15-07 01:46 AM   #60 
  - Most of the time, yes.  donco6   Mar-15-07 04:34 AM   #76 
  - Ask people who are judged to be gay on sight. NT  mondo joe   Mar-15-07 09:25 AM   #80 
  - No. And can we identify a black person by just looking at them? NO!  Dora   Mar-15-07 10:16 AM   #95 
  - So most blacks can't be identified by looks alone?  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-15-07 03:19 PM   #131 
     - I never said anything about superiority, so don't waste your breath refuting it.  Dora   Mar-15-07 03:32 PM   #135 
  - You can't always identify Blacks by looking either.  GOTV   Mar-15-07 12:27 PM   #110 
  - It certainly isn't a 100% comparison  gollygee   Mar-15-07 01:14 PM   #116 
  - as much as I dislike Hillary, I find the substitution of the word "black"  Donnachaidh   Mar-15-07 01:43 AM   #58 
  - Hillary's lack of courage is the fucking point here, people!  Duppers   Mar-15-07 01:44 AM   #59 
  - You're absolutely correct.  greyl   Mar-15-07 03:07 AM   #69 
  - Except the question you're using is badly phrased.  politicat   Mar-15-07 01:56 AM   #61 
  - Homosexuality is not a quality  FreeState   Mar-15-07 02:19 AM   #63 
  - I'm pretty sure i've seen her use this response elsewhere  RedCappedBandit   Mar-15-07 02:32 AM   #65 
  - I don't know why politicians say stupid ass things like that.  Marr   Mar-15-07 02:49 AM   #67 
  - I'm afraid Hillary stepped in a big pile of shit with this one.  AndyA   Mar-15-07 09:31 AM   #84 
  - Point made....but why not start with Q: "Are white males immoral?"....  marmar   Mar-15-07 09:36 AM   #85 
  - The thread would be the same, pretty much  sleebarker   Mar-15-07 09:56 AM   #90 
  - It is a horrible answer, which she will need to change  goodhue   Mar-15-07 09:42 AM   #86 
  - Excellent post n/t  cboy4   Mar-15-07 09:50 AM   #88 
  - This is a bullshit post...  butterfly77   Mar-15-07 03:08 PM   #125 
  - I get your point, but what a clumsy way to make it...  Beelzebud   Mar-15-07 09:59 AM   #91 
  - To all of you who don't see gay rights as a civil rights issue:  verse18   Mar-15-07 10:04 AM   #93 
  - Clarkie's point is that  BoneDaddy   Mar-15-07 10:22 AM   #96 
  - Hillary was asked about "ality", not "als".  Donald Ian Rankin   Mar-15-07 10:25 AM   #97 
  - Is Hillary Clinton immoral?  Bornaginhooligan   Mar-15-07 11:40 AM   #100 
  - I agree HC answer to that question was weak and stupid  WI_DEM   Mar-15-07 11:45 AM   #102 
  - Immorality is based on behavior.  qwlauren35   Mar-15-07 11:47 AM   #105 
  - Arrrrrrrrrrgh  treestar   Mar-15-07 11:49 AM   #106 
  - Note to Hillary: The correct answer is "no"  gollygee   Mar-15-07 12:50 PM   #112 
  - This question is stupid.  cat_girl25   Mar-15-07 12:53 PM   #114 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-15-07 01:31 PM   #118 
     - It's still stupid.  cat_girl25   Mar-15-07 02:10 PM   #120 
        - Whom are you referencing?  Ninja Jordan   Mar-15-07 02:55 PM   #121 
           - Now now now, you must know it is against DU rules to directly state whom.  uppityperson   Mar-15-07 03:01 PM   #122 
           - If the accusation is false.  Ninja Jordan   Mar-15-07 03:02 PM   #123 
              - Who is being accused?  uppityperson   Mar-15-07 03:08 PM   #124 
                 - I guess we'll never know  Ninja Jordan   Mar-15-07 03:09 PM   #126 
                    - Must be "deleted".  uppityperson   Mar-15-07 03:13 PM   #127 
                    - We'll leave that up to others to conclude  Moochy   Mar-15-07 03:35 PM   #136 
           - I'm not referencing anyone. I was replying to someone.  cat_girl25   Mar-15-07 03:14 PM   #130 
           - Why are you curious?  Bornaginhooligan   Mar-15-07 03:36 PM   #138 
  - really, really stupid post  paulk   Mar-15-07 01:32 PM   #119 
  - Not as stupid as it taking 134 tries to get the words "homosexuality is not immoral" out.  BlooInBloo   Mar-15-07 03:26 PM   #134 
     - I've never found much use for morality  paulk   Mar-15-07 03:39 PM   #139 
  - Locking  OhioBlues   Mar-15-07 03:45 PM   #142 

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