islandmkl
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Tue Sep-30-08 10:39 AM
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OPM won't be used to finance operations which have SOME risk for a while...
so, this is the 'trickle down' effect?...seems to be a long way from the bank financing to the benefit of 'everyone'...
first of all, these Sonic (and any other) franchisees are not needing funds to merely get started, remodel, etc...the net worth of franchisees is required to be XX$$$$ by the franchisor...numbers usually $500,000 to $1million minimum...
it is time for those 'with the money' to dial it back down to using their money to accomplish their activities...
yeah, it will slow down things...but the ramifications of this 'bailout versus collapse' are rooted in deeper fundamental problems than just 'liquidity'...
there seemed to be no problem when the train left the station at 200 mph, with all of wall street, most of congress and the bankers 'on board' with the engineer...
now that some kind of 'end of the tracks' is in sight, all the people they wouldn't let on the train' are supposed to not only stop the train, but pay for the damage from the wreck?
many americans don't trust the system to actually take care of itself, anymore...read Studs Terkel's 'Hard Times'...we've been through this before...
I don't like whippings, and it's been a long time since I've had one...but I remember, as a boy, the temporary evasion of the inevitable ALWAYS MADE IT WORSE...
i don't think we are getting the full truth about the real situation:
A) If it's NOT as fundamentally dangerous as it's being presented...mainly by those with an active stake in the 'game'....we won't support the bailout
OR...
B) If we are actually looking at a real collapse...lay it ALL out for the people...explain EVERYTHING that is going to happen, where the money will HAVE to go, and who gets what, and how the money will GUARANTEE A REMEDY
otherwise...I'll take my whipping, now...and let the chips fall where they may...
PS - OPM: other people's money...a staple of 'business'...as long as the 'other people' don't need to actually have their money back...
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| -No bailout people will not get to eat at Sonic anymore... |
gopbuster |
Sep-30-08 10:15 AM |
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OMFG, we'll be down to only 40 pounds overweight! |
billyoc |
Sep-30-08 10:15 AM |
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Armageddon my burgers now!!! |
KansDem |
Sep-30-08 10:21 AM |
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It would not hurt to read posts you know. |
thewiseguy |
Sep-30-08 10:33 AM |
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The same thing happens at the chain grocery stores and the chain auto parts |
ThomWV |
Sep-30-08 11:17 AM |
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As long as the average Joe on the street isn't taxed for it so be it... |
GetTheRightVote |
Sep-30-08 10:16 AM |
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Maybe if they improved the quality of their food |
hobbit709 |
Sep-30-08 10:17 AM |
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They spend money on those? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Sep-30-08 10:42 AM |
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don't bail them out |
amdezurik |
Sep-30-08 10:17 AM |
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Less Sonic, more butchers. |
Bleachers7 |
Sep-30-08 10:18 AM |
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Farmers borrow money to plan crops - anyone here eat? |
dmordue |
Sep-30-08 10:18 AM |
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I posted that yesterday! I don't think we'll see farmers being |
napi21 |
Sep-30-08 10:21 AM |
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do you know why? |
islandmkl |
Sep-30-08 10:51 AM |
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Small family farmers gave up seed-saving many decades ago |
NickB79 |
Sep-30-08 11:28 AM |
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Alarmist Nonsense |
ProfessorGAC |
Sep-30-08 10:19 AM |
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I listened to several stories on NPR and also my local news... |
phantom power |
Sep-30-08 10:25 AM |
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Because Of What I Said |
ProfessorGAC |
Sep-30-08 10:30 AM |
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In other words, a capital strike |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-30-08 10:42 AM |
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Aptly Put |
ProfessorGAC |
Sep-30-08 10:50 AM |
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As I understand it, their problem isn't liquidity, it's confidence... |
phantom power |
Sep-30-08 10:54 AM |
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Hence, It's PR Not An Actual Economic Problem |
ProfessorGAC |
Sep-30-08 11:12 AM |
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Having not seen any of your previous posts on the issue, I'm curious... |
yibbehobba |
Sep-30-08 11:28 AM |
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Sure. |
ProfessorGAC |
Sep-30-08 11:43 AM |
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Good analysis. Do you have an OP somewhere I can read? |
crispini |
Sep-30-08 12:28 PM |
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Sorry, No (eom) |
ProfessorGAC |
Sep-30-08 01:15 PM |
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I for one would be happy to see you do a post on this subject. |
yibbehobba |
Sep-30-08 04:53 PM |
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i encourage you to do an OP, too. Information prevents people from being driven by fear. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-30-08 02:52 PM |
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Thank you for your informative and lucid post. |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-01-08 01:23 PM |
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I guess I halfway agree. |
phantom power |
Sep-30-08 11:30 AM |
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I agree. |
girl gone mad |
Sep-30-08 04:59 PM |
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If GEcaptial doesn't loan money GE capital will go under. It's there choice. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Sep-30-08 10:19 AM |
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Read My Post |
ProfessorGAC |
Sep-30-08 10:19 AM |
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OMFG, they might have to have the money first to pay for things! |
mainegreen |
Sep-30-08 10:20 AM |
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Businesses need to be able to borrow money. That's part of how businesses grow. |
yibbehobba |
Sep-30-08 10:56 AM |
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Never ate at Sonic..never wanted to |
SoCalDem |
Sep-30-08 10:23 AM |
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It's freaking sonic. Who cares if the locations are refurbished? |
El Pinko |
Sep-30-08 10:24 AM |
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schadenfreude |
ourbluenation |
Sep-30-08 10:28 AM |
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OMG: yibbehobba WAS RIGHT.... |
Junkdrawer |
Sep-30-08 10:28 AM |
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lol! n/t |
gopbuster |
Sep-30-08 10:31 AM |
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I was simply mocking the entire tenor of the debate around here. n/t |
yibbehobba |
Sep-30-08 10:45 AM |
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I understand, his comment struck me as funny. n/t |
gopbuster |
Sep-30-08 10:50 AM |
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FULL ON BELLY LAUGH |
esuna |
Sep-30-08 12:46 PM |
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The food at Sonic is so full of HFCS |
marions ghost |
Sep-30-08 10:31 AM |
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Around here, Sonic jobs enable kids to earn money for college. |
Lars39 |
Sep-30-08 10:31 AM |
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CNN yesterday had a some talking heads saying |
azurnoir |
Sep-30-08 10:32 AM |
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A bank is under no obligation to make a loan |
ThomWV |
Sep-30-08 11:19 AM |
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What is "suspect" is why the banks |
azurnoir |
Sep-30-08 12:37 PM |
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Doesn't anyone here understand "metaphor"? |
johnaries |
Sep-30-08 10:32 AM |
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Is it possible Sonic doesn't deserve the credit? |
wtmusic |
Sep-30-08 10:38 AM |
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Two of our local Sonics shut down MONTHS ago |
magellan |
Sep-30-08 10:34 AM |
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And one just opened here. They have to have a cop there to direct traffic it's so busy. |
LiberalHeart |
Sep-30-08 10:41 AM |
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and.... |
islandmkl |
Sep-30-08 10:39 AM |
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OH NOES!!!!! |
GTRMAN |
Sep-30-08 10:40 AM |
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Sonic exists? |
Raineyb |
Sep-30-08 10:45 AM |
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OKC is their base of operations, there is one on almost every corner |
gopbuster |
Sep-30-08 10:48 AM |
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Interesting |
Raineyb |
Sep-30-08 11:59 AM |
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They are mostly in the south and west. |
Bleachers7 |
Sep-30-08 01:11 PM |
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I just saw Cotton Hill say this shit on CNN |
Chovexani |
Sep-30-08 12:00 PM |
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Sonic is a 100% blue company, FYI. |
Shakespeare |
Sep-30-08 12:19 PM |
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Wow..did not know that , thanks n/t |
gopbuster |
Sep-30-08 01:49 PM |
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The Sonic 3 blocks from my house is still open. They're still taking credit cards. |
LibInTexas |
Sep-30-08 12:24 PM |
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Oh noes, we're repeating history! |
MadHound |
Sep-30-08 12:26 PM |
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Title of the linked article? Bailout won't put the brakes on downward slide |
That Guy 888 |
Sep-30-08 01:07 PM |
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OH BOO HOO!! |
ddeclue |
Sep-30-08 05:00 PM |
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I heard a similar story about McDonald's the other day |
Geek_Girl |
Sep-30-08 05:01 PM |
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What happened to reinvesting profits back into your business? |
Seldona |
Sep-30-08 05:08 PM |
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Kick for the funniest thread of the day! |
rucky |
Sep-30-08 05:10 PM |
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