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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:39 AM
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27. and....
OPM won't be used to finance operations which have SOME risk for a while...

so, this is the 'trickle down' effect?...seems to be a long way from the bank financing to the benefit of 'everyone'...

first of all, these Sonic (and any other) franchisees are not needing funds to merely get started, remodel, etc...the net worth of franchisees is required to be XX$$$$ by the franchisor...numbers usually $500,000 to $1million minimum...

it is time for those 'with the money' to dial it back down to using their money to accomplish their activities...

yeah, it will slow down things...but the ramifications of this 'bailout versus collapse' are rooted in deeper fundamental problems than just 'liquidity'...

there seemed to be no problem when the train left the station at 200 mph, with all of wall street, most of congress and the bankers 'on board' with the engineer...

now that some kind of 'end of the tracks' is in sight, all the people they wouldn't let on the train' are supposed to not only stop the train, but pay for the damage from the wreck?

many americans don't trust the system to actually take care of itself, anymore...read Studs Terkel's 'Hard Times'...we've been through this before...

I don't like whippings, and it's been a long time since I've had one...but I remember, as a boy, the temporary evasion of the inevitable ALWAYS MADE IT WORSE...

i don't think we are getting the full truth about the real situation:

A) If it's NOT as fundamentally dangerous as it's being presented...mainly by those with an active stake in the 'game'....we won't support the bailout

OR...

B) If we are actually looking at a real collapse...lay it ALL out for the people...explain EVERYTHING that is going to happen, where the money will HAVE to go, and who gets what, and how the money will GUARANTEE A REMEDY


otherwise...I'll take my whipping, now...and let the chips fall where they may...


PS - OPM: other people's money...a staple of 'business'...as long as the 'other people' don't need to actually have their money back...
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  -No bailout people will not get to eat at Sonic anymore... gopbuster  Sep-30-08 10:15 AM   #0 
  - OMFG, we'll be down to only 40 pounds overweight!  billyoc   Sep-30-08 10:15 AM   #1 
  - Armageddon my burgers now!!!  KansDem   Sep-30-08 10:21 AM   #12 
  - It would not hurt to read posts you know.  thewiseguy   Sep-30-08 10:33 AM   #24 
  - The same thing happens at the chain grocery stores and the chain auto parts  ThomWV   Sep-30-08 11:17 AM   #41 
  - As long as the average Joe on the street isn't taxed for it so be it...  GetTheRightVote   Sep-30-08 10:16 AM   #2 
  - Maybe if they improved the quality of their food  hobbit709   Sep-30-08 10:17 AM   #3 
  - They spend money on those?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-30-08 10:42 AM   #31 
  - don't bail them out  amdezurik   Sep-30-08 10:17 AM   #4 
  - Less Sonic, more butchers.  Bleachers7   Sep-30-08 10:18 AM   #5 
  - Farmers borrow money to plan crops - anyone here eat?  dmordue   Sep-30-08 10:18 AM   #6 
  - I posted that yesterday! I don't think we'll see farmers being  napi21   Sep-30-08 10:21 AM   #11 
  - do you know why?  islandmkl   Sep-30-08 10:51 AM   #37 
     - Small family farmers gave up seed-saving many decades ago  NickB79   Sep-30-08 11:28 AM   #44 
  - Alarmist Nonsense  ProfessorGAC   Sep-30-08 10:19 AM   #7 
  - I listened to several stories on NPR and also my local news...  phantom power   Sep-30-08 10:25 AM   #15 
     - Because Of What I Said  ProfessorGAC   Sep-30-08 10:30 AM   #18 
        - In other words, a capital strike  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-08 10:42 AM   #30 
        - Aptly Put  ProfessorGAC   Sep-30-08 10:50 AM   #36 
        - As I understand it, their problem isn't liquidity, it's confidence...  phantom power   Sep-30-08 10:54 AM   #38 
           - Hence, It's PR Not An Actual Economic Problem  ProfessorGAC   Sep-30-08 11:12 AM   #40 
              - Having not seen any of your previous posts on the issue, I'm curious...  yibbehobba   Sep-30-08 11:28 AM   #43 
              - Sure.  ProfessorGAC   Sep-30-08 11:43 AM   #46 
                 - Good analysis. Do you have an OP somewhere I can read?  crispini   Sep-30-08 12:28 PM   #52 
                 - Sorry, No (eom)  ProfessorGAC   Sep-30-08 01:15 PM   #57 
                    - I for one would be happy to see you do a post on this subject.  yibbehobba   Sep-30-08 04:53 PM   #60 
                 - i encourage you to do an OP, too. Information prevents people from being driven by fear.  Hannah Bell   Sep-30-08 02:52 PM   #59 
                 - Thank you for your informative and lucid post.  BrklynLiberal   Oct-01-08 01:23 PM   #66 
              - I guess I halfway agree.  phantom power   Sep-30-08 11:30 AM   #45 
              - I agree.  girl gone mad   Sep-30-08 04:59 PM   #61 
  - If GEcaptial doesn't loan money GE capital will go under. It's there choice.  The_Casual_Observer   Sep-30-08 10:19 AM   #8 
  - Read My Post  ProfessorGAC   Sep-30-08 10:19 AM   #9 
  - OMFG, they might have to have the money first to pay for things!  mainegreen   Sep-30-08 10:20 AM   #10 
  - Businesses need to be able to borrow money. That's part of how businesses grow.  yibbehobba   Sep-30-08 10:56 AM   #39 
  - Never ate at Sonic..never wanted to  SoCalDem   Sep-30-08 10:23 AM   #13 
  - It's freaking sonic. Who cares if the locations are refurbished?  El Pinko   Sep-30-08 10:24 AM   #14 
  - schadenfreude  ourbluenation   Sep-30-08 10:28 AM   #16 
  - OMG: yibbehobba WAS RIGHT....  Junkdrawer   Sep-30-08 10:28 AM   #17 
  - lol! n/t  gopbuster   Sep-30-08 10:31 AM   #19 
  - I was simply mocking the entire tenor of the debate around here. n/t  yibbehobba   Sep-30-08 10:45 AM   #32 
  - I understand, his comment struck me as funny. n/t  gopbuster   Sep-30-08 10:50 AM   #35 
  - FULL ON BELLY LAUGH  esuna   Sep-30-08 12:46 PM   #54 
  - The food at Sonic is so full of HFCS  marions ghost   Sep-30-08 10:31 AM   #20 
  - Around here, Sonic jobs enable kids to earn money for college.  Lars39   Sep-30-08 10:31 AM   #21 
  - CNN yesterday had a some talking heads saying  azurnoir   Sep-30-08 10:32 AM   #22 
  - A bank is under no obligation to make a loan  ThomWV   Sep-30-08 11:19 AM   #42 
     - What is "suspect" is why the banks  azurnoir   Sep-30-08 12:37 PM   #53 
  - Doesn't anyone here understand "metaphor"?  johnaries   Sep-30-08 10:32 AM   #23 
  - Is it possible Sonic doesn't deserve the credit?  wtmusic   Sep-30-08 10:38 AM   #26 
  - Two of our local Sonics shut down MONTHS ago  magellan   Sep-30-08 10:34 AM   #25 
  - And one just opened here. They have to have a cop there to direct traffic it's so busy.  LiberalHeart   Sep-30-08 10:41 AM   #29 
  - and....  islandmkl   Sep-30-08 10:39 AM   #27 
  - OH NOES!!!!!  GTRMAN   Sep-30-08 10:40 AM   #28 
  - Sonic exists?  Raineyb   Sep-30-08 10:45 AM   #33 
  - OKC is their base of operations, there is one on almost every corner  gopbuster   Sep-30-08 10:48 AM   #34 
  - Interesting  Raineyb   Sep-30-08 11:59 AM   #47 
  - They are mostly in the south and west.  Bleachers7   Sep-30-08 01:11 PM   #56 
  - I just saw Cotton Hill say this shit on CNN  Chovexani   Sep-30-08 12:00 PM   #48 
  - Sonic is a 100% blue company, FYI.  Shakespeare   Sep-30-08 12:19 PM   #49 
  - Wow..did not know that , thanks n/t  gopbuster   Sep-30-08 01:49 PM   #58 
  - The Sonic 3 blocks from my house is still open. They're still taking credit cards.  LibInTexas   Sep-30-08 12:24 PM   #50 
  - Oh noes, we're repeating history!  MadHound   Sep-30-08 12:26 PM   #51 
  - Title of the linked article? Bailout won't put the brakes on downward slide  That Guy 888   Sep-30-08 01:07 PM   #55 
  - OH BOO HOO!!  ddeclue   Sep-30-08 05:00 PM   #62 
  - I heard a similar story about McDonald's the other day  Geek_Girl   Sep-30-08 05:01 PM   #63 
  - What happened to reinvesting profits back into your business?  Seldona   Sep-30-08 05:08 PM   #64 
  - Kick for the funniest thread of the day!  rucky   Sep-30-08 05:10 PM   #65 
 

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