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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:35 AM
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19. Acts in violation of the Constitution are VOID, that's true.
Heck, with the Administrative Procedure Act, acts in violation of those statutory procedures are routinely declared void. So, yes, we need to relearn that usurpations of authority and gross constitutional violations are void, nullities, they don't exist. We do not consent to such travesties of justice from what are sworn to be servants of the public and UP-HOLDERS of the Constitution.

Upholding is more than mere compliance, it's a reverence for and an extreme will to abide by, the limitations set out in the Constitution on government power.
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  -Bailout Bill: Congress Commands AUTOMATIC STAY of court-PROVEN Constitutional Violations!!!!!! Land Shark  Sep-29-08 12:07 AM   #0 
  - I'm ready to declare our entire government a terrorist organization. n/t  magellan   Sep-29-08 12:11 AM   #1 
  - Wow!  endthewar   Sep-29-08 02:04 AM   #21 
  - They say the same of you  BelgianMadCow   Sep-29-08 10:45 AM   #42 
  - They have for some time  magellan   Sep-29-08 12:25 PM   #46 
  - They're sure acting like mobsters will this bill. "Put it all in this bag, see,...."  TBF   Sep-29-08 04:59 PM   #52 
  - Why would something  Mojorabbit   Sep-29-08 12:11 AM   #2 
  - POWER GRAB  Zhade   Sep-29-08 12:13 AM   #3 
  - Because the jig is up, the Fed Reserve and related banking system is unconstitutional and we're  54anickel   Sep-29-08 12:17 AM   #5 
     - The Federal Reserve IS unconstitutional!!! And so is this fucking bill!!!  loudsue   Sep-29-08 11:24 AM   #43 
  - Thank you LS.  BushDespiser12   Sep-29-08 12:15 AM   #4 
  - What kind of scenario does this paint practically speaking?  mzmolly   Sep-29-08 12:21 AM   #6 
  - This applies to participating companies.  Beregond2   Sep-29-08 12:22 AM   #7 
  - Nothing can make violation of Constitutional rights OK  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 12:32 AM   #9 
  - Constitutional rights are the one thing protected aren't they?  jbnow   Sep-29-08 02:01 AM   #20 
     - exactly, but the point is that it's given, then immediately taken away via Stay  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 09:15 AM   #34 
        - For three days. nt  Marie26   Sep-29-08 09:16 AM   #35 
           - Wrong. Get a better lawyer. "unless the Secretary SEEKS a stay within three days"  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 10:13 AM   #38 
              - The automatic stay expires in three days.  Marie26   Sep-29-08 10:19 AM   #41 
  - It isn't explicitly stated as such. It could be used against the individuals  Better Today   Sep-29-08 12:36 AM   #10 
     - "Taxpayer Standing" might be the issue you're getting at here....  2 Much Tribulation   Sep-29-08 12:41 AM   #13 
  - I'm getting used to my new rogue nation status.  billyoc   Sep-29-08 12:24 AM   #8 
  - Feels more like China everyday  clear eye   Sep-29-08 01:02 AM   #17 
  - Oh, I'm sure they didn't mean anything BAD by it.  dailykoff   Sep-29-08 12:36 AM   #11 
  - ...  scarletwoman   Sep-29-08 12:39 AM   #12 
     - Another FISA gift pak, this time for Wall Street.  dailykoff   Sep-29-08 12:54 AM   #15 
  - Did these folks learn NOTHING about the consequences of rash acts on incomplete data?  Stop Cornyn   Sep-29-08 12:45 AM   #14 
  - Even Dodd's bill was lacking in real oversight.  clear eye   Sep-29-08 12:56 AM   #16 
  - If Congress is in violation of the Constitution  edwardian   Sep-29-08 01:29 AM   #18 
  - Acts in violation of the Constitution are VOID, that's true.  2 Much Tribulation   Sep-29-08 01:35 AM   #19 
     - If it's unconstitutional,  Marie26   Sep-29-08 09:18 AM   #37 
  - this plan is a no-go  barbtries   Sep-29-08 05:51 AM   #22 
  - "Automatic Stay" is language from the bankruptcy code.  VoodooGuru   Sep-29-08 06:03 AM   #23 
  - Since U brought it up, I was an atty for MORE than 12 years, till i got sick  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 07:07 AM   #26 
  - Not so bad and more typical than you think  D-Lee   Sep-29-08 06:23 AM   #24 
  - D-Lee, welcome to DU - 4 posts so far, eh? Lucky you got to post!  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 07:11 AM   #27 
  - In short: If you liked the Patriot Act  marekjed   Sep-29-08 06:27 AM   #25 
  - OVERSIGHT IS A DINOSAUR. Extinct. Dead. Non-existent since 9-11. And it wasn't so great before then.  bertman   Sep-29-08 08:08 AM   #28 
  - The stay is lifted in 3 days  Marie26   Sep-29-08 08:42 AM   #29 
  - trial judges can stay their own orders pending appeal, if merited. This is different  2 Much Tribulation   Sep-29-08 09:01 AM   #31 
  - Probably  Marie26   Sep-29-08 09:11 AM   #32 
     - one thing you're missing is the constitution's "contracts clause"  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 10:17 AM   #39 
        - That has nothing to do w/this bill, at all.  Marie26   Sep-29-08 11:53 AM   #44 
           - No, once the govt (secretary) makes a contract it achieves Constitutional  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 04:53 PM   #50 
              - Yet it still makes no sense...  Marie26   Sep-29-08 04:57 PM   #51 
                 - Sorry you don't understand, but I'll bet they're coming back for more  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 11:48 PM   #60 
  - Thanks Marie.  mzmolly   Sep-29-08 10:18 AM   #40 
  - Bookmarked for further reading.  ThePowerofWill   Sep-29-08 08:45 AM   #30 
  - I hope you sent this out to the papers or something  mlevans   Sep-29-08 09:15 AM   #33 
  - Nothing stopping anybody else from doing so, I'm swamped, but will try  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 09:17 AM   #36 
  - Damn these Corporate Democrats who vote for this theft against the Middle Class.  ShortnFiery   Sep-29-08 11:54 AM   #45 
  - I don't know. Are they just scared, yet again?  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 02:45 PM   #47 
  - Request for feedback  snot   Sep-29-08 04:37 PM   #48 
  - response to this  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 05:05 PM   #53 
  - So where did you go to lawschool?  depakid   Sep-29-08 04:39 PM   #49 
  - check your PMs  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 05:06 PM   #54 
     - Cool  depakid   Sep-29-08 05:25 PM   #55 
  - Our Democratic Congress bought into this.  Thothmes   Sep-29-08 05:38 PM   #56 
  - "Farcical" won't cut it. Just the thought that the Dems countenanced that is a truly surreal  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Sep-29-08 05:52 PM   #57 
  - excellent well thought out post. KR nt  ooglymoogly   Sep-29-08 08:46 PM   #58 
  - I like a person with a sig line that stresses the appropriate weight of principles! nt  Land Shark   Sep-29-08 11:45 PM   #59 
  - It appears that we may have narrowly avoided turning over our govt over to a band of terrorists.  BrklynLiberal   Sep-30-08 02:22 PM   #61 
  - If the details of the language of this bill can argued over this much, it should not be passed.  BrklynLiberal   Sep-30-08 02:28 PM   #62 
  - Does anyone in DC read these bills besides Kucinich?  redqueen   Sep-30-08 02:42 PM   #63 
  - That is an excellent question.....The video I posted just below this is essential viewing.  BrklynLiberal   Sep-30-08 03:16 PM   #65 
  - You MUST check out what Dennis Kucinich has to say about this.  BrklynLiberal   Sep-30-08 03:15 PM   #64 

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