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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 12:21 PM
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41. the "controlling" language
is the hysterical language of old school racists -- as in "controlling Hollywood, financial structures" etc -- and seems to be tied to the fundamentalist fear that a non-Christian group has power and clout. They have largely abandoned that language and now aim that xenophobia at secularists.

liberals concerned with the influence of Israel on our foreign policy aren't concerned because of a clash of relgious or racial values. my perception is that they are concerned with uneven distribution of power and clout in the lobbying of our lawmakers. there's nothing inherently racist about that concern. they'd be just as freaked if it were France or Germany bending the ears of our lawmakers.

NOTICE how this legitimate concern is vulnerable to appropriation. AIPAC is a lobby with enormous power. That is a fact. Does this mean that AIPAC "controls" the US... well... they have more power than anti-war lobbyists, for instance. AIPAC has more power than any grassroots citizen's group -- but so does Wal-Mart. The difference is Wal-Mart isn't involved in shooting conflicts.

(this is tangential to your post)

when average, everyday Joe DU Poster attempts to voice his concern about this, often he uses shorthand that amounts to "AIPAC controls America." it's hyperbole, as is most poltical discourse/polemic. it's the squeal of a church mouse against what seems to be a giant tiger. the further away from mid-20th century we get, to less people even KNOW about the old school anti-semitic language and thought. FEW people younger than 30 are aware there's a subtext to the language -- it's just not a part of their experience. so, you do get a lot of "thoughtless" remarks, but it's dishonest to say that every poster who ever stepped out of the politically correct nomenclature is racist. it just isn't so. they're ignorant of the meaning of language, yes.

i would love to see a mellowing in the discouse -- i would love to see pro-Israel folks HELP DU'ers and others who aren't using the correct nomenclature before accusing them of racism. likewise i think we need to raise the bar on language sensitivity for lefties trying to discuss these issues.

instead of trying to CATCH and ACCUSE, lets use that energy to TEACH and REACH out.
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  -CAN we talk? ...it's a CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS, regardless nashville_brook  Mar-13-07 02:26 PM   #0 
  - Bingo!  bonito   Mar-13-07 02:31 PM   #1 
  - we ruined the delicate/uncomfortable balence in the Middle East...  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 03:00 PM   #13 
     - Israel and Iran really need to start talking  bonito   Mar-13-07 07:51 PM   #20 
  - k&r - nt  Atman   Mar-13-07 02:32 PM   #2 
  - The Democrats have been planning to retake Congress all this time - and this is the best we can get?  derby378   Mar-13-07 02:32 PM   #3 
  - we have to play the cards we're dealt on this...  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 02:47 PM   #10 
  - Well said.  AndyA   Mar-13-07 02:32 PM   #4 
  - this is only the latest ... Larisa covered the Iran angle back in January  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 02:34 PM   #5 
  - Gee whiz,.........  Parisle   Mar-13-07 02:34 PM   #6 
  - no...  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 02:39 PM   #8 
  - Karl Rove, is that you twisting the words around?  file83   Mar-14-07 12:02 AM   #36 
  - Brava!!! You nailed it. n/t  no_hypocrisy   Mar-13-07 02:35 PM   #7 
  - Another false argument is that if you don't support AIPAC's control of our government  donkeyotay   Mar-13-07 02:45 PM   #9 
  - You are correct. Isn't the RW who is always saying that we, the USA, shouldn't be influenced by  sinkingfeeling   Mar-13-07 02:47 PM   #11 
  - that's the subtext of this post, isn't it...  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 02:49 PM   #12 
  - the definition of "co-dependecy"  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 03:48 PM   #18 
  - When the hell....  rateyes   Mar-13-07 03:10 PM   #14 
  - They'll grow a spine when forced to,  PDJane   Mar-13-07 03:19 PM   #15 
     - Well, WE are the only ones that can force it...  rateyes   Mar-13-07 03:26 PM   #16 
     - "warchest politics" means never having to grow a spine.  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 03:27 PM   #17 
  - shameless kick  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 05:37 PM   #19 
  - Hmmm... Here's something to think about.  MLFerrell   Mar-13-07 07:54 PM   #21 
  - AIPAC's influence is even more pervasive than we know. Just the  Gabi Hayes   Mar-13-07 08:08 PM   #23 
  - scroll down to the bottom for fascinating exchange of letters regarding this article.  Gabi Hayes   Mar-13-07 08:11 PM   #24 
     - Israel still has a chance to determine it's own future.  Usrename   Mar-13-07 08:50 PM   #26 
  - Bush Sr's one-word reply  Parisle   Mar-13-07 09:44 PM   #28 
     - wow. i've not explored the neocon/pro-israel nexus  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 10:44 PM   #34 
  - Ding ding ding! Right on! nt  DearAbby   Mar-13-07 08:05 PM   #22 
  - Well put  Jcrowley   Mar-13-07 08:12 PM   #25 
  - I'm just so surprised and pleased we can have this discussion here in GD  Dover   Mar-13-07 09:00 PM   #27 
  - writing about *discourse* and the limits of discourse is inherently  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 10:29 PM   #30 
  - Is it possible to objectively criticize Israel without being accused of anti-Semitism?  Generic Brad   Mar-13-07 09:57 PM   #29 
  - since Israel isn't ruled by theocracy, doesn't it seem that  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 10:39 PM   #31 
  - No; but if you accuse Japan of controlling America, and especially if you accuse Japanese-Americans  LeftishBrit   Mar-14-07 03:21 AM   #40 
  - The Jewish community like the Christian community have different contingents  Dover   Mar-13-07 10:42 PM   #32 
  - it's about "power and clout" -- it's really that simple  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 11:13 PM   #35 
  - THANK YOU!  Duppers   Mar-14-07 12:33 AM   #37 
  - Yes. It's possible to criticize Israel without being anti-semitic  LeftishBrit   Mar-14-07 03:12 AM   #39 
     - the "controlling" language  nashville_brook   Mar-14-07 12:21 PM   #41 
  - I don't care what I'm called.  mmonk   Mar-13-07 10:43 PM   #33 
  - kick n/t  upi402   Mar-14-07 12:37 AM   #38 
  - So, how does Israel benefit from US dictatorship?  rman   Mar-14-07 12:35 PM   #42 
     - interesting question  nashville_brook   Mar-14-07 01:12 PM   #43 
        - How long has Likud been in power?  rman   Mar-14-07 02:48 PM   #44 
 

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