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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 02:26 PM
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CAN we talk?'s a CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS, regardless
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The news that "top Democrats" won't attempt to limit the Bush Administration's imaginary authority to unilaterally declare war on Iran has been reported as the result of Israel's lobbying influence. Conservative Democrats cited fear that insisting on Congressional Authority would "have a negative impact on Israel."

It's TRAGIC that Israel was mentioned in this matter because our growing CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS needs to be discussed in an open and rational manner. Likely, this can't happen now.

With Israel identified as the primary victim of limiting Bush's make-believe authority to unilaterally declare war, we are being handed a PHONY CHOICE -- you're either FOR Bush's emperor status regarding war (and therefore supportive of Israel) OR you're FOR rule of law and a functioning government and therefore less than supportive of Israel (anti-semitic). It doesn't matter if Israel or Wal-Mart or space aliens are exercising this influence -- the impact is the same: our government no longer agrees on basic procedure at the behest of a special interest. This is the definition of Constitutional Crisis regardless of what "conservative Dems" or AIPAC has to say about it.

Our looming Constitutional Crisis should give EVERYONE pause regardless of religious/social/racial affiliation. This matter is similar to our "separation of church and state" debate -- TODAY we see AIPAC exercising disproportionate influence in our House of Representatives. "Tomorrow" the group with the most leverage might be Iran or China. It's in everyone's interest that rules are adhered to.

We no longer have a government in agreement on the sovereignty of it's branches. The executive branch (with the help of conservative Dems) is WILLFULLY violating one of the most unambiguous separations of power. This is terrifying. Constitutional Crises never end well as we saw with the secession of the southern states prior to the American Civil War.

As the rhetoric heats up -- lets try to keep this in perspective: opposing ANYONE's lobbying in favor of W's Emperor Status reflects our concern that we are in a CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS. To equate this with anti-semitism is dishonest.
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  -CAN we talk?'s a CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS, regardless nashville_brook  Mar-13-07 02:26 PM   #0 
  - Bingo!  bonito   Mar-13-07 02:31 PM   #1 
  - we ruined the delicate/uncomfortable balence in the Middle East...  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 03:00 PM   #13 
     - Israel and Iran really need to start talking  bonito   Mar-13-07 07:51 PM   #20 
  - k&r - nt  Atman   Mar-13-07 02:32 PM   #2 
  - The Democrats have been planning to retake Congress all this time - and this is the best we can get?  derby378   Mar-13-07 02:32 PM   #3 
  - we have to play the cards we're dealt on this...  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 02:47 PM   #10 
  - Well said.  AndyA   Mar-13-07 02:32 PM   #4 
  - this is only the latest ... Larisa covered the Iran angle back in January  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 02:34 PM   #5 
  - Gee whiz,.........  Parisle   Mar-13-07 02:34 PM   #6 
  - no...  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 02:39 PM   #8 
  - Karl Rove, is that you twisting the words around?  file83   Mar-14-07 12:02 AM   #36 
  - Brava!!! You nailed it. n/t  no_hypocrisy   Mar-13-07 02:35 PM   #7 
  - Another false argument is that if you don't support AIPAC's control of our government  donkeyotay   Mar-13-07 02:45 PM   #9 
  - You are correct. Isn't the RW who is always saying that we, the USA, shouldn't be influenced by  sinkingfeeling   Mar-13-07 02:47 PM   #11 
  - that's the subtext of this post, isn't it...  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 02:49 PM   #12 
  - the definition of "co-dependecy"  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 03:48 PM   #18 
  - When the hell....  rateyes   Mar-13-07 03:10 PM   #14 
  - They'll grow a spine when forced to,  PDJane   Mar-13-07 03:19 PM   #15 
     - Well, WE are the only ones that can force it...  rateyes   Mar-13-07 03:26 PM   #16 
     - "warchest politics" means never having to grow a spine.  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 03:27 PM   #17 
  - shameless kick  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 05:37 PM   #19 
  - Hmmm... Here's something to think about.  MLFerrell   Mar-13-07 07:54 PM   #21 
  - AIPAC's influence is even more pervasive than we know. Just the  Gabi Hayes   Mar-13-07 08:08 PM   #23 
  - scroll down to the bottom for fascinating exchange of letters regarding this article.  Gabi Hayes   Mar-13-07 08:11 PM   #24 
     - Israel still has a chance to determine it's own future.  Usrename   Mar-13-07 08:50 PM   #26 
  - Bush Sr's one-word reply  Parisle   Mar-13-07 09:44 PM   #28 
     - wow. i've not explored the neocon/pro-israel nexus  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 10:44 PM   #34 
  - Ding ding ding! Right on! nt  DearAbby   Mar-13-07 08:05 PM   #22 
  - Well put  Jcrowley   Mar-13-07 08:12 PM   #25 
  - I'm just so surprised and pleased we can have this discussion here in GD  Dover   Mar-13-07 09:00 PM   #27 
  - writing about *discourse* and the limits of discourse is inherently  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 10:29 PM   #30 
  - Is it possible to objectively criticize Israel without being accused of anti-Semitism?  Generic Brad   Mar-13-07 09:57 PM   #29 
  - since Israel isn't ruled by theocracy, doesn't it seem that  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 10:39 PM   #31 
  - No; but if you accuse Japan of controlling America, and especially if you accuse Japanese-Americans  LeftishBrit   Mar-14-07 03:21 AM   #40 
  - The Jewish community like the Christian community have different contingents  Dover   Mar-13-07 10:42 PM   #32 
  - it's about "power and clout" -- it's really that simple  nashville_brook   Mar-13-07 11:13 PM   #35 
  - THANK YOU!  Duppers   Mar-14-07 12:33 AM   #37 
  - Yes. It's possible to criticize Israel without being anti-semitic  LeftishBrit   Mar-14-07 03:12 AM   #39 
     - the "controlling" language  nashville_brook   Mar-14-07 12:21 PM   #41 
  - I don't care what I'm called.  mmonk   Mar-13-07 10:43 PM   #33 
  - kick n/t  upi402   Mar-14-07 12:37 AM   #38 
  - So, how does Israel benefit from US dictatorship?  rman   Mar-14-07 12:35 PM   #42 
     - interesting question  nashville_brook   Mar-14-07 01:12 PM   #43 
        - How long has Likud been in power?  rman   Mar-14-07 02:48 PM   #44 

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