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September 13, 2008, 2:01 pm

This is Your Nation on White Privilege

By Tim Wise

For those who still cant grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because every family has challenges, even as black and Latino families with similar challenges are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a fuckin redneck, like Bristol Palins boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll kick their fuckin' ass, and talk about how you like to shoot shit for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people dont all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means youre untested.

White privilege is being able to say that you support the words under God in the pledge of allegiance because if it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me, and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the under God part wasnt added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.

White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.

White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was Alaska first, and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think shes being disrespectful.

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  -THIS IS YOUR NATION ON WHITE PRIVILEGE seemslikeadream  Sep-17-08 09:42 PM   #0 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-17-08 09:43 PM   #1 
  - K&R  otherlander   Sep-17-08 09:43 PM   #2 
  - Exactly! The truth hurts if you keep avoiding it and never confront it..  MadMaddie   Sep-17-08 09:55 PM   #5 
  - Love your sig! VERY good question. & Thanks for the Wise piece.  patrice   Sep-17-08 09:51 PM   #3 
  - Did you see where they got the confetti for the Republican Convention?  seemslikeadream   Sep-17-08 09:54 PM   #4 
     - Yes, I have that saved in my picture file. Thanks!  patrice   Sep-17-08 09:59 PM   #6 
        - I just ran out of bandwidth at photobucket and had to upgrade  seemslikeadream   Sep-17-08 10:13 PM   #7 
  - It was and remains an excellent article.  BlooInBloo   Sep-17-08 10:19 PM   #8 
  - Tim Wise has titles that are "in your face", but the substance is always very deep  endthewar   Sep-17-08 10:43 PM   #9 
  - White Privilege is also...  teknomanzer   Sep-17-08 11:07 PM   #10 
  - I think that's more an example of stupidity than anything...n/t  TCJ70   Sep-19-08 02:20 PM   #113 
  - That's pretty racist.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-17-08 11:12 PM   #11 
  - How so? n/t  drking81   Sep-18-08 03:52 PM   #13 
  - Simple  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 04:26 PM   #14 
  - Proof positive  drking81   Sep-18-08 04:55 PM   #17 
  - Absolutely.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:06 PM   #18 
  - You might want to check your facts  Lurking_Argyle   Sep-18-08 05:12 PM   #22 
  - I didn't say they were.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:14 PM   #23 
     - Sure you did  Lurking_Argyle   Sep-18-08 05:14 PM   #26 
        - Let's try this again.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:22 PM   #31 
           - IF all things were equal,  Lurking_Argyle   Sep-18-08 05:32 PM   #37 
              - It depends.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 11:27 PM   #95 
                 - If that's the only example you have...  Lurking_Argyle   Sep-19-08 01:56 AM   #101 
                    - So there are exceptions.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-19-08 10:20 AM   #102 
                       - THEY'RE the "Good Ones." To YOU.  Karenina   Sep-19-08 10:54 AM   #103 
                       - Good candidates?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-19-08 11:19 AM   #105 
                          - Your endorsement is appreciated.  Karenina   Sep-19-08 11:57 AM   #106 
                             - You're welcome.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-19-08 01:53 PM   #110 
                       - The exception is not the rule  Lurking_Argyle   Sep-19-08 11:58 AM   #107 
                          - Isn't that the definition of an exception?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-19-08 01:52 PM   #109 
  - I noticed two of the people you mentioned are athletes.  drking81   Sep-18-08 05:19 PM   #30 
     - I like sports.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:26 PM   #32 
  - Give me a break  SCBeeland   Sep-18-08 08:04 PM   #76 
  - Can you refute any of that? n/t  drking81   Sep-18-08 08:20 PM   #79 
  - You don't think Obama is being taken seriously? n/t  TCJ70   Sep-19-08 02:15 PM   #112 
  - Not really  Caliman73   Sep-18-08 05:14 PM   #25 
  - That doesn't make any sense.  tabasco   Sep-18-08 06:59 PM   #73 
     - I can't work miracles.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 11:28 PM   #96 
  - He's working the "reverse racism" angle.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-18-08 05:31 PM   #35 
     - There is no such thing.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:38 PM   #43 
  - Are you accusing Tim Wise of being a racist?  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 04:35 PM   #15 
     - Of course not.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:08 PM   #19 
        - Then what are you saying?  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:09 PM   #20 
           - What do you think I'm saying?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:11 PM   #21 
              - I have NO idea do you think I am a mind reader?  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:14 PM   #24 
                 - That's pretty funny.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:17 PM   #28 
                 - If you believe he is writing racist articles how can he not be racist?  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:18 PM   #29 
                    - You need to lighten up then.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:36 PM   #39 
                       - I think YOU better take your own advice  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:38 PM   #42 
                          - I'm clearly not taking things to seriously, so I don't know how it would help.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:39 PM   #44 
                             - Calling someone's work racist is serious  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:40 PM   #46 
                                - Seemed more thought provoking to me.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:42 PM   #48 
                                   - First you say it was pretty funny and now you change your mind  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:45 PM   #50 
                                      - Something can't be funny and thought provoking?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:50 PM   #53 
                                      - I find NOTHING funny about someone accusing another of racism  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:52 PM   #55 
                                         - Except I didn't do that.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:54 PM   #59 
                                      - Just to be clear.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:53 PM   #57 
                                         - Just to be clear it would help if your posts weren't so  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 06:01 PM   #62 
                                            - Then we'd just be arguing though instead of thinking.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 06:14 PM   #65 
                                               - Oh I thought that WAS what you were doing  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 06:21 PM   #67 
                                                  - That's explains it.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 06:52 PM   #71 
                 - He means white San Antonians love David Robinson!  drking81   Sep-18-08 05:32 PM   #36 
                    - He was working the "uppity Obama" meme the other day.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-18-08 05:33 PM   #38 
                    - Then my suspicions were accurate  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:37 PM   # 
                    - There you go again calling Obama uppity, you really need to stop that.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:37 PM   #40 
                       - Did you or did you not engage in an uppity Obama thread?  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:39 PM   #45 
                          - Hooligan called Obama uppity, I told him it was inappropriate.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:41 PM   #47 
                    - I'd say most San Antonians regardless of race like David Robinson.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:57 PM   #61 
                    - *ding*. .. .. . n/t  annabanana   Sep-18-08 09:03 PM   #87 
  - Yup!  FrenchieCat   Sep-17-08 11:14 PM   #12 
  - So true.  eshfemme   Sep-18-08 04:35 PM   #16 
  - Uh, as much as I tend to shy away from racially-charged stuff like this, in this case  Redstone   Sep-18-08 05:16 PM   #27 
  - You are absolutely right, BUT  groovysunlight   Sep-18-08 05:28 PM   #33 
  - You do realize that I am NOT Tim Wise and I did NOT write that article  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:30 PM   #34 
     - Yeah, but you posted it, ergo I assume you felt it was helpful to the world  groovysunlight   Sep-18-08 05:38 PM   #41 
        - No I can't "dig"  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:42 PM   #49 
           - And so marinating in outrage, disgust helps how...?  groovysunlight   Sep-18-08 05:47 PM   #51 
              - For the record don't call me chum and I wrote nothing about you so I have no idea what  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:49 PM   #52 
                 - You really do need to lighten up.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:51 PM   #54 
                    - No I don't  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 05:53 PM   #56 
                       - It's very clear you do and I don't know you at all.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 05:55 PM   #60 
  - Let's make that WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE, thank you.  undeterred   Sep-18-08 05:54 PM   #58 
  - So,  drking81   Sep-18-08 06:03 PM   #63 
  - The article is about Palin and her family.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 06:16 PM   #66 
     - Yes it most certainly does  kgfnally   Sep-18-08 11:33 PM   #97 
        - Now there's white privilege you can believe in  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 11:44 PM   #98 
        - I was responding to the post that intimated there was ONLY white male privilege.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-18-08 11:48 PM   #99 
  - i love tim wise...because  noiretblu   Sep-18-08 06:06 PM   #64 
  - Hey Beautiful !!!  WillyT   Sep-18-08 06:23 PM   #69 
  - hey WillyT!!!!  noiretblu   Sep-18-08 06:38 PM   #70 
  - No accident in his surname! Naaa, Duuuu!  Karenina   Sep-19-08 10:56 AM   #104 
  - Big K & R !!!  WillyT   Sep-18-08 06:22 PM   #68 
  - k/r  fishwax   Sep-18-08 06:53 PM   #72 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-18-08 07:23 PM   #74 
  - "White" privilege dominates here , but not in Saudi Arabia or Africa.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Sep-18-08 07:23 PM   #75 
  - Pretty Stupid Concept.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-18-08 08:15 PM   #77 
  - And you are......  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 08:17 PM   #78 
  - Irrelevant. And Do You Not Agree With The Reasons Laid Forth To You?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-18-08 08:25 PM   #80 
     - The whole concept has gone way over your head  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 08:31 PM   #81 
        - You're Running Away Because You're Beaten. You Avoided The Point Completely Out Of Fear.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-18-08 08:38 PM   #82 
           - What freakin' universe do you live in?  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 08:56 PM   #84 
              - Keep Running. Your Posts Are Quite Transparent. And Everyone Sees Through Them.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-18-08 09:00 PM   #85 
                 - Oh no this thread is all about you now isn't it?  seemslikeadream   Sep-18-08 09:03 PM   #86 
                    - Wrong. This Thread Is About Someone's Ignorant Theory.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Sep-18-08 09:14 PM   #89 
                    - Ignore him.  drking81   Sep-18-08 09:16 PM   #90 
                       - BEST ADVICE EVER  Moochy   Sep-18-08 09:51 PM   #92 
                       - He said he thinks Michelle Obama is "looney"  JetCityLiberal   Sep-19-08 02:46 PM   #114 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-18-08 08:44 PM   #83 
  - Yet so many of us White, Black and all colors inbetween don't have their Moral Authority  KoKo01   Sep-18-08 09:05 PM   #88 
  - This garbage is turning the working poor White folks away  Echos Myron   Sep-18-08 09:44 PM   #91 
  - Almost as fucking insulting as  Moochy   Sep-19-08 01:26 AM   #100 
     - It may be insulting, but there's a lot of truth to it.  Gormy Cuss   Sep-19-08 12:11 PM   #108 
     - There's nothing privileged about being in the...  TCJ70   Sep-19-08 02:13 PM   #111 
  - --  G_j   Sep-18-08 10:07 PM   #93 
  - Any one who believes racism is dead, isn't paying attention.  Liberalynn   Sep-18-08 10:28 PM   #94 
  - Thanks for this slad  JetCityLiberal   Sep-19-08 02:46 PM   #115 
  - +1  KG   Sep-19-08 02:51 PM   #116 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-19-08 02:54 PM   #117 

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