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is watching the reaction to the demonstrations at the RNC.
The right-wing reaction is "dirty, smelly, unemployed hippies who should have been shot."
The left-wing reaction is "Since when is free speech a crime, and what about the possibility of police provocateurs?"
The "moderate" reaction is, "Well, I believe in free speech and everything, but those protesters shouldn't have thrown stuff." (This is even though the violence started after the main protest was over.)
Neither the right-wing nor the "moderate" group seems willing to even consider the possibility of police or FBI provocateurs, despite clear historical precedents.
There's a deep authoritarian streak in the American psyche, and all that is required for taking another step toward fascism is to push the right buttons.
It's scary, because one of the insidious things about fascism as seen in 1970s Latin America or pre-war Japan is that most people are able to get on with their lives, and the government provides them with handy scapegoats to explain their economic misery.
|
I knew it was going to happen, but it still hurts like hell to watch it in slow motion. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 12:25 PM |
#0 |

Yes, wholesale electoral fraud is 100% proven. don't know why you would say otherwise. |
robinlynne |
Sep-09-08 12:26 PM |
#1 |
 
For the sake of argument I said that. I happen to agree with you and said so further down my OP. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 12:43 PM |
#6 |
  
yes, but we're working on it.... as hard as we can. |
robinlynne |
Sep-09-08 01:06 PM |
#19 |
 
Thank you and God bless you for your efforts. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 01:33 PM |
#30 |
 
Our democrats hold a lot of blame for this corrupted electronic voting |
Pete2069 |
Sep-09-08 04:37 PM |
#78 |

Pete, forget Mikulski |
Janeite |
Sep-09-08 06:36 PM |
#112 |

yes, they have been entirely complacent. |
toadzilla |
Sep-10-08 12:51 AM |
#177 |

But don't you have a dem governor now? |
BonnieJW |
Sep-10-08 11:01 AM |
#256 |

DEM's swept Ohio in 06 |
ohioINC |
Sep-10-08 09:08 PM |
#296 |

McPalin. I won't be surprised. |
Blue State Native |
Sep-09-08 12:28 PM |
#2 |

We waited too long..but I still have hope...I refuse to give that up yet.. |
AuntPatsy |
Sep-09-08 12:30 PM |
#3 |
 
You're fooling yourself... |
deutsey |
Sep-09-08 03:38 PM |
#63 |

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed! |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 03:53 PM |
#66 |

Bloody peasant! |
deutsey |
Sep-09-08 04:16 PM |
#70 |

OH! Did you hear that? That's what I'm on about! |
FiveGoodMen |
Sep-09-08 04:24 PM |
#74 |
 
That line crossed my mind when I heard reports of the anti-democracy crackdown there |
deutsey |
Sep-09-08 04:30 PM |
#76 |
  
"You mean you rule because some watery tart gave you a knife?" |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 04:42 PM |
#79 |
 
Watery Tart... |
Cid_B |
Sep-10-08 12:43 AM |
#176 |
 
Watery Tart |
Moistened Bint |
Sep-10-08 12:07 PM |
#273 |
 
LOL! I'd forgotten that one. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 12:23 PM |
#276 |
 
I lived in Mn for 15 years before moving 22 months ago....and I |
snappyturtle |
Sep-09-08 08:17 PM |
#126 |

"I think last week was ... a test to see how much the people will tolerate" |
FiveGoodMen |
Sep-09-08 08:48 PM |
#131 |

I read a bit of the comments section....boy oh boy! |
snappyturtle |
Sep-09-08 09:48 PM |
#135 |
 
Unbelievable, isn't it? |
fudge stripe cookays |
Sep-09-08 10:07 PM |
#136 |

Yes, it's totally unbelieveable! What do these naysayers think |
snappyturtle |
Sep-10-08 06:29 AM |
#207 |

Actually that would make for a fun faux-article |
kenfrequed |
Sep-10-08 09:45 AM |
#241 |

Comments section is 4 to 1 in favor of the protestors |
GoneOffShore |
Sep-10-08 09:09 AM |
#232 |

did you hear him |
pc1971 |
Sep-09-08 09:43 PM |
#133 |

Is there an RU - Realist Underground website available for me to peruse? |
Stanchetalarooni |
Sep-09-08 12:30 PM |
#4 |

Rec - spot on, tom |
TOJ |
Sep-09-08 12:31 PM |
#5 |

if you do want Obama to get elected |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Sep-09-08 12:44 PM |
#7 |
 
Bullshit |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-08 12:45 PM |
#8 |
  
reality? Like Hillary Clinton will be our Democratic nominee? |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Sep-09-08 12:53 PM |
#13 |
   
It wouldn't have mattered if it was Hillary or Jesus Christ. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 01:06 PM |
#18 |
    
"...they could run a ham sandwich against Jesus Christ and win by their usual 0.05-3%." |
live love laugh |
Sep-09-08 04:58 PM |
#83 |
     
and like clockwork every fucking election The Democrats CAVE |
leftchick |
Sep-09-08 06:05 PM |
#104 |
    
it's |
amborin |
Sep-10-08 01:23 AM |
#183 |
    
I agree, the media plays the biggest role in our elections |
liberal N proud |
Sep-10-08 06:48 AM |
#208 |
    
election fraud could not exist without the media complicity for sure |
leftchick |
Sep-10-08 08:31 AM |
#224 |
    
KEEP WORKING!!!!!!!! |
glinda |
Sep-10-08 10:52 AM |
#252 |
   
I agree. n/t |
Stand and Fight |
Sep-09-08 11:29 PM |
#153 |
   
I lived in totalitarian systems |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-10-08 02:26 AM |
#186 |
    
"if you are prepared you can better react and make that reality you hope for" |
kayell |
Sep-10-08 06:22 AM |
#205 |
    
hoping for sunshine, preparing for rain |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Sep-10-08 11:17 AM |
#260 |
   
... |
redqueen |
Sep-10-08 11:20 AM |
#261 |
  
Except for the lack of hope stuff, maybe. |
Orsino |
Sep-10-08 08:44 AM |
#226 |
 
I knew someone somewhere would post something like this. It's OK. Really. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 12:53 PM |
#12 |
  
it was a slow car crash reading your post, lol |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Sep-09-08 01:07 PM |
#20 |
   
Oh, we probably don't want to talk about the debates and what they mean (or don't mean) |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 01:22 PM |
#25 |
  
the picture.. |
dana_b |
Sep-09-08 01:54 PM |
#35 |
   
No, the answer is that Bush looks like a giant comapred to Kerry. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 02:17 PM |
#41 |
  
wow - people are easily manipulated then |
dana_b |
Sep-09-08 03:02 PM |
#51 |
  
You are fully missing the point and I have no desire to verbally spar further with you |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 03:16 PM |
#53 |
   
wow - and you're missing the point |
dana_b |
Sep-09-08 05:20 PM |
#95 |
  
In that event it is me who is sorry for jumping to conclusions. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 05:49 PM |
#101 |
  
thanks! |
dana_b |
Sep-09-08 06:14 PM |
#108 |
  
Yes, they "knew" intellectually that Kerry is the taller man, |
Raksha |
Sep-09-08 07:09 PM |
#116 |
  
I got curious and check to see how much Bush's picture had been enlarged and in which directions |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 07:22 PM |
#118 |
  
"And not a single person but for me noticed." |
redqueen |
Sep-10-08 11:36 AM |
#264 |
  
I guess I do mean in the room that I watched, and everyone I have every talked to about it since. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 02:24 PM |
#285 |
  
Yes... something is very, very wrong. |
redqueen |
Sep-10-08 02:53 PM |
#289 |
  
This photo comparison is being RESURRECTED today by NBC (Brian Williams) but Obama-McAnus are the |
bertman |
Sep-10-08 11:58 PM |
#298 |
  
Reality is the observance of the present. |
Stand and Fight |
Sep-09-08 11:33 PM |
#155 |
 
I think you are both right and wrong there. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 12:01 AM |
#167 |
 
Pardon my naivete, but I thought totalitarinaism relied on the |
Flatulo |
Sep-10-08 01:01 PM |
#283 |
 
You wouldn't try to sell kosher hot dogs in Cairo or Baghdad, would you? |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 03:52 PM |
#291 |
 
He IS on our side -- about time someone on here woke up to reality... |
Imagine My Surprise |
Sep-09-08 01:05 PM |
#16 |
 
it is not a football game |
Two Americas |
Sep-09-08 04:22 PM |
#73 |
 
May I ask how old you are? nt |
snappyturtle |
Sep-09-08 08:21 PM |
#127 |
  
30 |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Sep-10-08 11:13 AM |
#259 |
 
I'm glad you answered. You're the age of my "kids"...30 & 32. They |
snappyturtle |
Sep-10-08 05:54 PM |
#294 |
 
so understandable |
Scriptor Ignotus |
Sep-11-08 01:26 PM |
#303 |
 
I approve of this post. |
kayell |
Sep-10-08 06:16 AM |
#204 |
 
I agree with you, those kind of posts are bullshit. Hell, there was nothing in there that we all |
EV_Ares |
Sep-10-08 12:31 PM |
#278 |

yes. The reaction to the 'puke convention |
bbgrunt |
Sep-09-08 12:48 PM |
#9 |
 
"Facing this and still resisting is the measure of one's mettle." well said. nt |
glitch |
Sep-09-08 01:04 PM |
#15 |
 
definitely good work |
dana_b |
Sep-09-08 01:57 PM |
#36 |

There is just one thing wrong with that essay |
Sonicmedusa |
Sep-09-08 12:51 PM |
#10 |
 
Thanks for the correction. YES I meant to say the invasion of Ossetia. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 01:41 PM |
#32 |

Don't you hate that? |
Stand and Fight |
Sep-09-08 11:35 PM |
#158 |
 
Thank you. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 12:21 AM |
#173 |

One issue overrides all-ABORTION |
olegramps |
Sep-10-08 10:32 AM |
#248 |

. |
fudge stripe cookays |
Sep-11-08 06:24 AM |
#302 |

I understand your need to prepare emotionally for the worst. |
smoogatz |
Sep-09-08 12:52 PM |
#11 |
 
The Bushies could care less about damaging foreign policy blunders, or haven't you noticed? |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 01:49 PM |
#34 |

Most Americans have no idea where Ossetia is, or who invaded what first. |
smoogatz |
Sep-09-08 02:05 PM |
#39 |
 
Sigh. You know that you are right in what you say...and yet it still doesn't matter. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 02:27 PM |
#43 |
  
Look at it this way.... |
demilib |
Sep-09-08 05:04 PM |
#86 |
 
Yecch. No thanks. n/t |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 05:52 PM |
#102 |
 
most americans do |
amborin |
Sep-10-08 01:30 AM |
#184 |
 
Right and wrong. Muricans couldn't care less where Georgia is |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-10-08 02:31 AM |
#188 |

"own minds are so staggered by the enormity and villainy of it" |
TOJ |
Sep-09-08 02:40 PM |
#45 |

It is disheartening seeing the same old moves come out to play |
glitch |
Sep-09-08 12:57 PM |
#14 |

A certain John Carpenter film comes to mind... |
beam me up scottie |
Sep-09-08 01:05 PM |
#17 |

The OP is right. |
Tutankhamun |
Sep-09-08 01:09 PM |
#21 |

What I find really discouraging |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-09-08 01:11 PM |
#22 |
 
The little red flags are almost more alarming than the big ones. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-09-08 01:33 PM |
#31 |
  
I'm not sure I agree with the significance of Palin. I think it was a simple marketing decision. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 02:02 PM |
#38 |
 
The marketing aspect is clear, which is why I suggested Caribou Barbie |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-09-08 02:14 PM |
#40 |
 
One minute now... |
Stand and Fight |
Sep-09-08 11:47 PM |
#162 |

I don't know |
ismnotwasm |
Sep-09-08 01:15 PM |
#23 |
 
but will they turn out? |
susanwy |
Sep-09-08 07:35 PM |
#121 |
 
I'm with you on every point. |
Stand and Fight |
Sep-09-08 11:52 PM |
#166 |

I am not convinced by the cell-phone argument |
ZombyWoof |
Sep-11-08 12:12 AM |
#299 |

We're doomed! DOOMED!!!! |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-09-08 01:16 PM |
#24 |
 
No but the weed seed of FASCISM is always there |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-08 01:24 PM |
#27 |

I sense the same thing |
Annces |
Sep-09-08 01:24 PM |
#26 |

This is the dying of the age of Aquarius |
Philosoraptor |
Sep-09-08 01:25 PM |
#28 |

K&R |
alfredo |
Sep-09-08 01:26 PM |
#29 |

Not all that slow. The campaigning has been going on for 3 years. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-09-08 01:46 PM |
#33 |

K & R. |
greyhound1966 |
Sep-09-08 02:02 PM |
#37 |
 
He is one of THOUSANDS of WWII victims and survivors who feel the same way |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 02:35 PM |
#44 |

I know two direct survivors and my mom |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-10-08 02:50 AM |
#193 |

They only thing I fear is election fraud. |
AtomicKitten |
Sep-09-08 02:20 PM |
#42 |
 
What tom is saying is that all the other machinery makes blatant fraud unneccessary |
TOJ |
Sep-09-08 02:46 PM |
#47 |

The GOP is already purging voting roles as we speak. |
AtomicKitten |
Sep-09-08 03:44 PM |
#65 |

Republicans believe people's vices determine their behavior rather than their virtues |
entanglement |
Sep-09-08 02:44 PM |
#46 |
 
No, they believe Dems are subhuman |
TOJ |
Sep-09-08 02:48 PM |
#48 |

I Think You Are Wrong...Obama will win...Life will get better |
masmdu |
Sep-09-08 02:52 PM |
#49 |
 
Let's hope so. That certainly is my preferred outcome. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 03:10 PM |
#52 |

I wrote pretty much the same thing and my OP was diverted to the Siberian 9/11 forum. |
David Zephyr |
Sep-09-08 02:58 PM |
#50 |

It is Sept 9 |
treestar |
Sep-09-08 03:17 PM |
#54 |
 
I said in my OP I am not advocating giving up. Making observations is not advocating giving up. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 03:19 PM |
#56 |

Very insightful and rational view, but then we have to ask why are people agreeable... |
galileoreloaded |
Sep-09-08 03:18 PM |
#55 |
 
Pretty damned insightful reply, yourself. Inetersting perspective. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 03:31 PM |
#62 |
  
Thanks for the kind words. |
galileoreloaded |
Sep-09-08 03:59 PM |
#69 |
 
Could you elaborate just a bit more? You lost me a little. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 04:53 PM |
#82 |
 
Catastrophic economic collapse enabled FDR's reforms, but |
Fiendish Thingy |
Sep-09-08 04:21 PM |
#71 |

Very true. So much depends on a nation's "at the moment" psychology. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 05:00 PM |
#85 |

Nothing slow motion about it... |
Javaman |
Sep-09-08 03:19 PM |
#57 |

Coincidence Theorists - I love it! |
Taverner |
Sep-09-08 03:24 PM |
#58 |

K&R+ an archived thread |
bobthedrummer |
Sep-09-08 03:24 PM |
#59 |

It's so depressing. But this is what happens when your own leaders won't fight back. |
Joanne98 |
Sep-09-08 03:24 PM |
#60 |
 
Sadly, there is nothing new about this. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 03:42 PM |
#64 |

Agreed BUT we must also work like hell to prevent it |
Taverner |
Sep-09-08 03:27 PM |
#61 |

If everybody that wants to legally vote for Obama was allowed to do so... |
antiwarwarrior |
Sep-09-08 03:57 PM |
#67 |

Have we forgotten the past? |
sattahipdeep |
Sep-09-08 03:57 PM |
#68 |
 
That was simultaneously sickening and incredibly inspiring. |
paparush |
Sep-10-08 09:04 AM |
#230 |

In this post you are actively promoting what you purport to despise. |
bigmonkey |
Sep-09-08 04:21 PM |
#72 |
 
I am going to try very hard to reply to you in a civil fashion, though your post warrants being |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 05:38 PM |
#97 |

Well, hello! |
bigmonkey |
Sep-09-08 06:52 PM |
#114 |

Thank you for your civil reply. As I said above, I am beyond caring about motivating |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 07:36 PM |
#122 |

Civility is good, within reason, but ... |
bigmonkey |
Sep-11-08 03:15 PM |
#304 |

I hear ya - right now palin AND her hubby are signing autographs |
katty |
Sep-09-08 04:27 PM |
#75 |

Keeping negative thoughts to oneself sometimes can be helpful... |
Imagevision |
Sep-09-08 04:36 PM |
#77 |
 
yeah, wouldn't want any of that nasty truthiness around, would we. |
FarceOfNature |
Sep-09-08 05:04 PM |
#87 |

yeah, the ugly truthiness is a harsh teacher-but we learn |
katty |
Sep-09-08 05:08 PM |
#91 |

The idea people have fearful brain farts and should try them out silently was the point |
nolabels |
Sep-10-08 01:43 AM |
#185 |

How much do you take before common sense rebels? |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 07:12 AM |
#211 |

To me, It doesn't matter WTF * and the minions thinks of what i and others think |
nolabels |
Sep-10-08 09:32 AM |
#238 |

I joined DU in order to read the unvarnished truth. |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Sep-09-08 04:43 PM |
#80 |
 
(belated) welcome to DU |
FarceOfNature |
Sep-09-08 05:05 PM |
#88 |

Thank you for the welcome:) |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Sep-09-08 05:43 PM |
#99 |

I can't say it, but we all know what we have to do. |
screembloodymurder |
Sep-09-08 04:44 PM |
#81 |
 
By any means necessary. |
NOLALady |
Sep-09-08 06:30 PM |
#111 |

I agree 100%. Even if Obama is the populists' dream so many want him to be... |
FarceOfNature |
Sep-09-08 05:00 PM |
#84 |

He turned me into a newt. |
deaniac21 |
Sep-09-08 05:05 PM |
#89 |
 
"If she is heavier than a duck, she's a witch!" |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 06:01 PM |
#103 |

I got better. |
deaniac21 |
Sep-09-08 11:35 PM |
#156 |

I just wonder why they keep trying to cover it up--they have absolute control |
live love laugh |
Sep-09-08 05:07 PM |
#90 |
 
all staging, like the Third Reich-it has to "look" like its a real |
katty |
Sep-09-08 05:10 PM |
#92 |
 
My take on it is this. It's the same reason Caesar dared not declare himself king. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 06:05 PM |
#105 |

indeed it is - selling the 'ideal' of freedom & endless repeats |
katty |
Sep-09-08 06:18 PM |
#109 |

October surprises WILL happen. |
G_j |
Sep-09-08 05:13 PM |
#93 |
 
this i believe. nt |
tomp |
Sep-09-08 05:41 PM |
#98 |
 
98% certainty. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 06:06 PM |
#106 |

I hate you |
donheld |
Sep-09-08 05:16 PM |
#94 |
 
(whimpers) Don't hate the messenger. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 06:09 PM |
#107 |

Read Herve Kempf's "How the Rich Are Destroying the Earth." |
DemoTex |
Sep-09-08 05:36 PM |
#96 |

My gut feeling all along is that you are right. |
8_year_nightmare |
Sep-09-08 05:45 PM |
#100 |

The very fact that we're discussing Palin is depressing |
nichomachus |
Sep-09-08 06:25 PM |
#110 |

It's not going to happen. We're going to make McCain/Palin implode. |
chill_wind |
Sep-09-08 06:51 PM |
#113 |
 
God I hope you are right. But at this point I have to see it to believe it. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 07:45 PM |
#124 |

GET OUT THE VOTE..... even the GOP may fear PALIN!!!!! pSYCho jOHn may even have scared THEM!!!! |
happygoluckytoyou |
Sep-09-08 07:03 PM |
#115 |

Damn... somebody had to say it |
Gman |
Sep-09-08 07:19 PM |
#117 |

K & R, even though this thread is depressing the hell out of me. |
Raksha |
Sep-09-08 07:28 PM |
#119 |

You pretty much got it |
Mike Nelson |
Sep-09-08 07:33 PM |
#120 |

I just had the same conversation |
maxpower |
Sep-09-08 07:44 PM |
#123 |
 
I weep for the country I once knew. Whodathunk Humpty Dumpty would be a history lesson? nt |
live love laugh |
Sep-09-08 08:22 PM |
#128 |

IMHO We're more like Saudi Arabia. Oh that can't be...can it? |
bluesmail |
Sep-09-08 07:47 PM |
#125 |

Voter purging has started...and today New Jersey sends out 300,000 |
keepCAblue |
Sep-09-08 08:32 PM |
#129 |

This all could have been stopped with a strong candidate like Gore or Edwards. I'm talking landslide |
TheGoldenRule |
Sep-09-08 08:32 PM |
#130 |
 
I've thought the same thing myself to be honest. It seems we could have run the |
Ragazz68 |
Sep-09-08 10:54 PM |
#146 |
 
Not from me - I totally agree with you, but hope that we're both wrong... |
TankLV |
Sep-09-08 11:44 PM |
#160 |

Agreed !....It's The Alchemy of truth...... |
Ragazz68 |
Sep-09-08 09:14 PM |
#132 |

Even on the News Hour with Jim Lehrer, |
Uncle Joe |
Sep-09-08 09:44 PM |
#134 |

You are not alone...I am firmly convinced this election will be stolen |
katandmoon |
Sep-09-08 10:08 PM |
#137 |
 
I'm not convinced, but I do fear it will happen |
MiniMe |
Sep-10-08 12:14 AM |
#172 |

The repugs are already practicing their excuse for that -- same one they used in 2004 |
katandmoon |
Sep-10-08 09:13 AM |
#234 |

Thought provoking. |
brokensymmetry |
Sep-09-08 10:16 PM |
#138 |

Neither should this thread be construed as an advocation of giving up or not voting. |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-09-08 10:29 PM |
#139 |
 
LOL. Excellent post. Nice shot you took at me. A little nitpicky on the grammar, |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 10:51 PM |
#144 |

What did you expect from someone whose profile states. |
Uncle Joe |
Sep-09-08 10:58 PM |
#148 |
 
Exactly, though I did not know that people actually looked at those. |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-09-08 11:35 PM |
#157 |

As to what little of your post that ISN'T attacking me personally |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-09-08 11:31 PM |
#154 |

Ok. No harm no foul no hard feelings. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 11:36 PM |
#159 |

I miss jokes all of the time here on DU and I always forget about the blood soaked sarcasm thing. |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-09-08 11:49 PM |
#164 |

Most of the time? I guess I don't want to be around you when you're hungry and it's not |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 12:06 AM |
#169 |

Thanks for the awesome link, which is now bookmarked. |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-10-08 12:28 AM |
#174 |

This election is the first one I will vote in. If McCain wins I will never vote again. |
L0oniX |
Sep-09-08 10:32 PM |
#140 |
 
Don't forget that this country was founded by "terrorists". n/t |
greyhound1966 |
Sep-09-08 11:48 PM |
#163 |

I know you may be right. BUT I will not give up. Why? Because this |
protect our future |
Sep-09-08 10:35 PM |
#141 |

Are we being manipulated to begin culling the political shepherds? |
NoFederales |
Sep-09-08 10:38 PM |
#142 |
 
Not sure what you mean there. Please elaborate. |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 10:57 PM |
#147 |

Thinning the herd is exactly what I meant. Look at the desensitivity |
NoFederales |
Sep-10-08 09:13 AM |
#235 |

I would agree with everything you said in regards to the current |
go west young man |
Sep-09-08 10:44 PM |
#143 |
 
Well, we ARE as brainwashed as the Russians during the Soviet Times. Worse maybe, because |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-08 11:16 PM |
#151 |

I understand your point in regards to todays great leader is |
go west young man |
Sep-10-08 03:12 AM |
#196 |

Thanks again for your unique perspective. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 08:24 AM |
#223 |

Actually the FDR analogy is a good one. |
go west young man |
Sep-10-08 10:58 AM |
#255 |

Our meager media presence is part of the problem - Hartmann today |
TOJ |
Sep-09-08 10:52 PM |
#145 |

1 Solution |
Steelworker In OH |
Sep-09-08 11:02 PM |
#149 |

Great thread |
littlecryinggirl |
Sep-09-08 11:12 PM |
#150 |

My feelings in words... exactly. I choose to put them to music and image, but |
dammitann |
Sep-09-08 11:16 PM |
#152 |

No doubt in my mind |
jmpnfool |
Sep-09-08 11:46 PM |
#161 |

Best post I've seen on DU |
Janeite |
Sep-09-08 11:52 PM |
#165 |

I understand your pain |
nevergiveup |
Sep-10-08 12:04 AM |
#168 |
 
Yes! Time to focus on what our candidate has to say. He speaks for hope. |
kayell |
Sep-10-08 07:20 AM |
#212 |

THANK YOU!! tom_paine, for an excellent and thought-provoking post. |
bertman |
Sep-10-08 12:08 AM |
#170 |
 
THIS is what DU is all about people! |
dammitann |
Sep-10-08 03:04 AM |
#195 |

Been thinking along the same lines for a long time now. The fix is in and the deck has been stacked |
IsItJustMe |
Sep-10-08 12:11 AM |
#171 |

Despair is so easy, isn't it? |
Beregond2 |
Sep-10-08 12:30 AM |
#175 |
 
I suppose it was only a matter of time until this obligatory post showed up. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 12:55 AM |
#178 |

with a heavy heart, I concur. we haven't hit rock bottom yet, |
toadzilla |
Sep-10-08 12:58 AM |
#179 |

This is it. that is why.. |
lisainmilo |
Sep-10-08 01:15 AM |
#180 |
 
Good. I said at the beginning I didn't want to discourage and demoralize people. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 07:21 AM |
#213 |

Mike Malloy (radio) last night--spot on-a reflection of this post |
katty |
Sep-10-08 02:40 PM |
#288 |

K&R |
dicksteele |
Sep-10-08 01:18 AM |
#181 |

sadly agree...somewhat along the lines of what marcuse warned about n/t |
amborin |
Sep-10-08 01:21 AM |
#182 |

Get involved with EDA: What you can do to Defend Election '08 links |
flamingdem |
Sep-10-08 02:28 AM |
#187 |
 
This post is the important one here: How to fix the situation. |
kayell |
Sep-10-08 05:38 AM |
#202 |

No wonder the cons want to outlaw reading and education. |
dammitann |
Sep-10-08 02:34 AM |
#189 |

Very nice piece. You summed it up nicely. |
Neshanic |
Sep-10-08 02:35 AM |
#190 |

You're not a "realist" until the reality sets in;) |
autorank |
Sep-10-08 02:38 AM |
#191 |
 
I wish I could be that hopeful |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-10-08 02:45 AM |
#192 |
  
I agree on the outcome of the 2006 Congress. My point was technical |
autorank |
Sep-10-08 12:52 PM |
#281 |
 
I also wish I could be that hopeful. But as we scientists say, "The data doesn't support it." |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 07:51 AM |
#217 |

Your post is an important expression of the dialog and process |
autorank |
Sep-10-08 12:59 PM |
#282 |

I wholly agree with you on Obama's "punch-back". Better late tthan never! |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 02:36 PM |
#286 |

I am starting to agree, sort of... |
bluespeck |
Sep-10-08 02:59 AM |
#194 |
 
Welcome to DU. You are in the right place. |
dammitann |
Sep-10-08 03:38 AM |
#197 |
 
Welcome to DU. The difficultiy you are having, I think, making Bush-generated reality "compute" |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 07:44 AM |
#216 |

Thanks for the welcomes... |
bluespeck |
Sep-11-08 05:59 AM |
#301 |

NEW RULE. YOU CANNOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD. |
dammitann |
Sep-10-08 03:45 AM |
#198 |
 
You don't make the rules. And I donate my time by volunteering. Sorry if I don't meet |
kayell |
Sep-10-08 05:31 AM |
#201 |

Thank you for your efforts on behalf of our nation. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 07:28 AM |
#215 |

Your post has had 9839 views. How many lurkers |
kayell |
Sep-10-08 08:18 AM |
#222 |

I am neither responsible for Obama's defeat, nor his victory. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 08:53 AM |
#227 |

It's not helping. What can you do to HELP the cause? nt |
kayell |
Sep-10-08 09:08 AM |
#231 |

I've spent seven plus years helping "the cause" and now I am sitting this one out. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 09:59 AM |
#242 |

i agree with tom_paine and several other members here. |
DubyasWorld |
Sep-10-08 04:28 AM |
#199 |

Well, that was depressing as hell. How about telling us how you'd fix it? |
kayell |
Sep-10-08 05:27 AM |
#200 |

I respect your nose Tom... |
Hubert Flottz |
Sep-10-08 05:51 AM |
#203 |

There is a parallel that no one will talk about |
judasdisney |
Sep-10-08 06:22 AM |
#206 |

I really enjoyed your post with a perverse kind of enjoyment |
Solly Mack |
Sep-10-08 06:48 AM |
#209 |
 
Dear God, Solly, YOU NAILED IT. And with a helluva lot more brevity than I did. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 08:00 AM |
#219 |
 
You nailed it. Inside my house these same conversations are going on |
LibraLiz1973 |
Sep-10-08 09:41 AM |
#240 |

Failure To Impeach Has Brought Us This Low -- Yet, Could Still Be Panacea |
Senator |
Sep-10-08 06:57 AM |
#210 |

We have the world's most obtuse electorate or blantant corruption |
flblu2 |
Sep-10-08 07:24 AM |
#214 |
 
Or BOTH. n/t |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 08:12 AM |
#221 |

No, not both. |
Senator |
Sep-10-08 08:40 AM |
#225 |

Sometimes I agree with you on that, Senator, and sometimes not. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 09:19 AM |
#237 |

Rare Bird |
olegramps |
Sep-10-08 11:29 AM |
#263 |

Well, I just said incorrect and unhelpful |
Senator |
Sep-10-08 10:07 PM |
#297 |

K & R Tom |
Dinger |
Sep-10-08 07:52 AM |
#218 |

The Romanov solution (NT) |
The Wizard |
Sep-10-08 08:08 AM |
#220 |
 
! |
8643 |
Sep-10-08 09:00 AM |
#228 |

Help me with the math, here! |
jamesatemple |
Sep-10-08 09:01 AM |
#229 |
 
Read this book: |
tannybogus |
Sep-10-08 09:14 AM |
#236 |

Thank you very kindly, tannybogus! |
jamesatemple |
Sep-10-08 09:33 AM |
#239 |

Dietrich Bonhoeffer nt |
paparush |
Sep-10-08 09:10 AM |
#233 |

The USA has gotten and will continue to get the government it deserves. |
wurzel |
Sep-10-08 10:07 AM |
#243 |

Agreed! |
murbley40 |
Sep-10-08 10:18 AM |
#244 |

Depressing all right. We are at a turning point and we have to do everything |
Nothing Without Hope |
Sep-10-08 10:19 AM |
#245 |

Hope is an awful thing |
ramapo |
Sep-10-08 10:21 AM |
#246 |

Someone give me the cliff notes. Who is going to steal it this time? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-10-08 10:25 AM |
#247 |
 
Who needs to steal it if we give up 8 weeks early? nt |
kayell |
Sep-10-08 10:36 AM |
#249 |
  
Geez. You can't lay off, can you? |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 10:56 AM |
#254 |
 
This is a public discussion board. I'm discussing. I will never tolerate defeatism. |
kayell |
Sep-10-08 11:26 AM |
#262 |
 
First, your assumption that everything stems from the personal is way WAAAAY off. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 12:12 PM |
#274 |
 
Ohhh, there's no one simple answer to all of that. I mean, one could say "The Bushies" |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 10:48 AM |
#250 |

You have neglected the most important issue |
olegramps |
Sep-10-08 10:49 AM |
#251 |
 
Very interesting opinion. But could it not be, sir, that it is not the stance itself |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 11:13 AM |
#258 |

Thanks for your response |
olegramps |
Sep-10-08 11:47 AM |
#266 |

Unfortunately... I Agree |
theFrankFactor |
Sep-10-08 10:54 AM |
#253 |

Thank you. |
Gilligan |
Sep-10-08 11:08 AM |
#257 |

Eternal vigilance, friend. |
redqueen |
Sep-10-08 11:38 AM |
#265 |
 
God, I hope so. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 12:28 PM |
#277 |

To be honest... |
redqueen |
Sep-10-08 02:57 PM |
#290 |

"October Suprise" |
baconbits5 |
Sep-10-08 11:49 AM |
#267 |

"The Language of Oppression" |
Anticon |
Sep-10-08 11:52 AM |
#268 |

WHAT "was going to happen"? Wouldn't it make sense to put the subject IN the "subject"???? |
George II |
Sep-10-08 11:53 AM |
#269 |

we forget who we are fighting.... |
Locrian |
Sep-10-08 11:57 AM |
#270 |

Apathy, ignorance, denial. |
Gregorian |
Sep-10-08 11:58 AM |
#271 |

Agreed, but if people work hard..Obama can/will win..but.. |
antimatter98 |
Sep-10-08 12:04 PM |
#272 |

redouble the effort |
alfrankenaynrand |
Sep-10-08 12:14 PM |
#275 |

You can take that post and read it every night as far as I care, those |
EV_Ares |
Sep-10-08 12:34 PM |
#279 |
 
Man, I am not going to explain myself again. |
tom_paine |
Sep-10-08 12:47 PM |
#280 |

Hey, its OK you didn't have to explain it to me. I don't freak out about these posts, you know as |
EV_Ares |
Sep-10-08 04:06 PM |
#292 |

Well written. |
GreenTea |
Sep-10-08 02:16 PM |
#284 |

bookmarked |
A-Schwarzenegger |
Sep-10-08 02:40 PM |
#287 |

I left a few weeks ago because I knew this too and... |
nomaco-10 |
Sep-10-08 04:08 PM |
#293 |

I wouldn't exactly call it "inverted" totalitarianism. Nothing's more 'total' today than capitalism. |
readmoreoften |
Sep-10-08 08:50 PM |
#295 |

The changes we have wrought. |
greyhound1966 |
Sep-11-08 03:14 AM |
#300 |