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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #49
51. Is the same true for the N word?
We can use that to describe white people and it's not racist?

Or when we use it to describe white people, are we really saying "you aren't any better than a (black) n******"?

I'm thinking the second is the real message. Just like calling a straight man a f*****. It insults the straight man by implying he's like one of Those people - it assumes we all understand Those people are filth, no?
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  -Why are we embracing racially coded language on DU? lwfern  Sep-06-08 10:39 AM   #0 
  - PLEASE tell me that is not an actual screen shot! PLEASE!! n/t  prayin4rain   Sep-06-08 10:42 AM   #1 
  - You bet it is!  Catch22Dem   Sep-06-08 10:50 AM   #7 
     - That is so sick.... she is his WIFE for one thing...  prayin4rain   Sep-06-08 10:52 AM   #13 
        - Exactly. Repigs are so F stupid, they use words whose meanings they don't know....  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 11:01 AM   #34 
        - No news organization used it as far as I know  Jack Rabbit   Sep-06-08 12:41 PM   #68 
           - true... but still... that is all the news a lot of the people i know get  prayin4rain   Sep-06-08 01:17 PM   #72 
  - could you give us an example of the same coded language used against poor little Levi?  notadmblnd   Sep-06-08 10:44 AM   #2 
  - Here's one: F*ing Redneck... by his own admission.  Union Thug   Sep-06-08 10:48 AM   #4 
  - See, problem is, it fits Levi. It never fits Obama.  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 10:50 AM   #8 
  - Why is using AAVE an insult?  lwfern   Sep-06-08 10:52 AM   #14 
     - What's AAVE? I'm sorry but I'm totally confused now. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 10:59 AM   #29 
     - African Amerian Vernacular English  lwfern   Sep-06-08 11:07 AM   #43 
     - African-American Vernacular English (nt)  petronius   Sep-06-08 11:08 AM   #44 
     - It isn't if you use it against whites as well. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 11:11 AM   #49 
        - Is the same true for the N word?  lwfern   Sep-06-08 11:14 AM   #51 
           - That describes a color. The color, "negro." Now, how on earth could you call a white person....  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 08:17 PM   #109 
  - Who are we to argue with his obviously accurate discription of himself?  notadmblnd   Sep-06-08 10:53 AM   #16 
  - didn't I read something..  stillcool47   Sep-06-08 12:39 PM   #67 
  - I don't care one way or another about "poor little Levi"  lwfern   Sep-06-08 10:51 AM   #11 
     - but "we" didn't use that term, Faux Newz did.  notadmblnd   Sep-06-08 11:00 AM   #33 
     - "we" HAVE been using that term.  lwfern   Sep-06-08 11:17 AM   #53 
        - They aren't married, he is a baby daddy  sandnsea   Sep-06-08 12:10 PM   #66 
           - I think you are misunderstanding my point.  lwfern   Sep-06-08 12:44 PM   #69 
     - that's what i am saying.  psychmommy   Sep-06-08 04:02 PM   #92 
     - Look, I used that term a few days ago because it applied.  rebel with a cause   Sep-06-08 05:00 PM   #96 
        - I'm not talking about the use of the phrase "baby's daddy"  lwfern   Sep-06-08 05:39 PM   #100 
  - Yes. If the Right Wing uses racism, we should ignore it and hope it goes away...  Junkdrawer   Sep-06-08 10:48 AM   #3 
  - Nope. NEVER EVER ignore an insult. Kerry did that and it tore me apart  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 10:51 AM   #10 
  - I was thinking about Kerry too with my last two posts. He played it with class, and we know what  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 11:03 AM   #37 
     - Do you know that I CRIED during the time Kerry was not responding to the swiftboater lies?  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 11:05 AM   #41 
        - I was very emotional over it too and it was maddening when I couldn't do a single  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 11:30 AM   #57 
           - :( Maybe this time we won't let that happen at all. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 08:23 PM   #113 
  - Didn't you know the best way for Democrats to win in November is to attack and demean other DUers?  TahitiNut   Sep-06-08 10:53 AM   #17 
  - Maybe you didn't mean to reply to my thread.  lwfern   Sep-06-08 10:54 AM   #19 
  - I've used baby daddy as a way of throwing it in the faces of the Repukes that did that to  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 10:49 AM   #5 
  - I use the term babymama about Sarah Palin and her daughter, BOTH...  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 10:52 AM   #12 
     - The time for playing "nice" is over. We will not survive another 4 years with the Repukes.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 10:56 AM   #22 
        - ABSOLUTELY! Totally agree! nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 10:58 AM   #28 
        - Does that mean we need to embrace racism?  lwfern   Sep-06-08 11:08 AM   #47 
        - It isn't racially coded when you start to neutralize it by turning it towards those who use  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 11:32 AM   #58 
           - So should we try using the N word more  lwfern   Sep-06-08 11:38 AM   #60 
           - I think you are taking this way too far right now. nt  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 11:57 AM   #63 
           - That's an incredible leap  Lorien   Sep-06-08 12:02 PM   #64 
           - Exactly n/t.  Lorien   Sep-06-08 11:52 AM   #62 
           - EXACTLY! You explain it much better than I do. :)  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 08:27 PM   #114 
        - I agree 100%  malaise   Sep-06-08 11:15 AM   #52 
        - Amen. If Dems want to be seen as strong and tough, we'll play a good defense  Lorien   Sep-06-08 11:51 AM   #61 
        - After Killer Palin's speech and McCrash's I had expected some hard hitting back by Obama and Biden  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 02:13 PM   #76 
           - I know. I was talking with some friends about that yesterday  Lorien   Sep-06-08 02:20 PM   #78 
              - Luckily, I seem to spared the McCrash ads right now. I'm in NY and I'm sure they will spend very  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 02:42 PM   #80 
        - Speaking not not playing nice - reminds me of Dixie Chicks  fortyfeetunder   Sep-06-08 02:15 PM   #77 
           - Yes! Yes! Yes!!!!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 02:48 PM   #82 
           - Do you think there's a difference between  lwfern   Sep-06-08 02:59 PM   #85 
              - How about handing racists the truth, and be nice about it?  fortyfeetunder   Sep-06-08 05:05 PM   #98 
  - I disagree.  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 10:49 AM   #6 
  - Poor, little girl. Palin is so abused and so are all her and her daughter's  fasttense   Sep-06-08 10:51 AM   #9 
  - What's the latest with Sarah Palin's adulterous relationship? Anyone know? nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 10:52 AM   #15 
  - saw a thread yesterday, citing an article where the ex business  orleans   Sep-06-08 10:56 AM   #24 
  - Oh I'm sure he's getting them sealed because of statements made by his ex-wife about Palin...  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 10:58 AM   #27 
  - Could be two reasons.  lwfern   Sep-06-08 03:18 PM   #87 
  - Some are saying Scott Richter and some are saying Brad Hanson. I say, why not both? lol!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 05:47 PM   #103 
  - This doesn't appear to be related to my OP. nt  lwfern   Sep-06-08 10:56 AM   #23 
  - You, madam,are a hypocrite of the first order.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-06-08 01:24 PM   #73 
     - Although you haven't addressed this to me, I can say for myself, I am very used to personal attacks  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 05:53 PM   #104 
        - Republicans should have to. Their children shouldn't.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-06-08 07:25 PM   #108 
           - No. Those children are used as Props to promote an Image of Palin, and she has made those kids  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-06-08 08:21 PM   #112 
              - Are Obama's children fair game?  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-07-08 06:12 AM   #117 
                 - If they find something to say, of course Obama's children will their fair game. Is it right?  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-07-08 07:24 AM   #118 
                    - Apparently not, given his subsequent grovelling apology.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-07-08 07:28 AM   #119 
                       - lol! Exactly. :)  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-07-08 07:46 AM   #120 
  - I'm a nearly-old fart who is not up on the slang -  NCevilDUer   Sep-06-08 10:54 AM   #18 
  - Babymama is slang which began among black people and which refers to....  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 11:00 AM   #31 
  - I think you missed the subtext.  lwfern   Sep-06-08 11:02 AM   #35 
     - I know what you're saying.... but (and forgive me) you're wrong.....  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 11:08 AM   #45 
        - That doesn't happen in the real world.  lwfern   Sep-06-08 11:24 AM   #54 
           - But, if the term is originally AAVE, why would it need reclaiming?  kayell   Sep-06-08 02:07 PM   #75 
              - Your question is at the heart of what I'm asking, actually.  lwfern   Sep-06-08 02:50 PM   #83 
                 - Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that how it's being used by blacks  kayell   Sep-06-08 04:30 PM   #93 
                    - We agree on this:  lwfern   Sep-06-08 06:45 PM   #106 
  - Plus I have a queston for you. Should we LIMIT that word to using it only with black people??  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 10:54 AM   #20 
  - Huh?  lwfern   Sep-06-08 10:55 AM   #21 
     - NONO! My question was.....  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 10:57 AM   #25 
        - Again, you seem to be arguing your own point, not mine  lwfern   Sep-06-08 11:04 AM   #39 
           - Okay, here's your own comment, quoted:  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 11:10 AM   #48 
              - You seem to be deliberately misconstruing nmy words.  lwfern   Sep-06-08 11:29 AM   #56 
              - Oy vey. To remove a pejorative meaning, you MUST use that word for groups outside  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 08:21 PM   #111 
              - Let me clarify too  Caliman73   Sep-06-08 03:29 PM   #89 
                 - You are obviously removed from young people, for whom it is becoming a frequent term  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 08:20 PM   #110 
  - (what is "aave?") n/t  orleans   Sep-06-08 10:57 AM   #26 
  - AAVE = African American Vernacular English (nt)  lwfern   Sep-06-08 11:05 AM   #40 
  - Some of us are hypocrites, and like most hypocrites are blind to our own hypocrisy  slackmaster   Sep-06-08 10:59 AM   #30 
  - Huh? Okay, I know there must be some hidden significance in this.. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 11:03 AM   #36 
     - My post means exactly what it says  slackmaster   Sep-06-08 11:06 AM   #42 
        - I was afraid of that. Please read the other posts. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 11:08 AM   #46 
           - I don't give a flying fuck about the other posts  slackmaster   Sep-06-08 11:12 AM   #50 
  - some people  mass independent   Sep-06-08 11:00 AM   #32 
  - Exactly. This is hardly the time for faux outrage. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Sep-06-08 11:03 AM   #38 
  - I think that people are can still feel outrage after so many years  prayin4rain   Sep-06-08 11:35 AM   #59 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-06-08 11:28 AM   #55 
  - Sorry, I totally disagree.  asdjrocky   Sep-06-08 12:09 PM   #65 
  - that doesn't relate to my question, though.  lwfern   Sep-06-08 12:46 PM   #70 
     - You're asking me to be careful about what I say, er write, about someone.  asdjrocky   Sep-06-08 01:14 PM   #71 
        - No  jaredh   Sep-06-08 02:32 PM   #79 
  - I just can't keep up!  tannybogus   Sep-06-08 01:29 PM   #74 
  - Actually, the text in the picture is not coded at all ...  ColbertWatcher   Sep-06-08 02:44 PM   #81 
  - meanings......  loyalsister   Sep-06-08 02:55 PM   #84 
  - Thank you for getting that!  lwfern   Sep-06-08 03:11 PM   #86 
     - I understand completely  loyalsister   Sep-06-08 04:47 PM   #95 
  - Let's start from the beginning because your point's not making sense  Montauk6   Sep-06-08 03:19 PM   #88 
  - "I'm not feelin' that "AAVE" jazz"  lwfern   Sep-06-08 03:32 PM   #90 
     - You're right, we are too far apart to have a conversation about this  Montauk6   Sep-06-08 04:44 PM   #94 
  - What are you talking about?  sheeptramp   Sep-06-08 03:34 PM   #91 
  - you obviously don't understand baby 'mommy' and 'daddy'  crimsonblue   Sep-06-08 05:03 PM   #97 
  - erased because I decided I was wrong to say what I said.  rebel with a cause   Sep-06-08 05:31 PM   #99 
  - Did you understand it as racist when Fox used it? nt  lwfern   Sep-06-08 05:41 PM   #101 
     - It's racist on Fox because it's completely inaccurate  bezdomny   Sep-06-08 08:28 PM   #115 
  - That's an awfully broad brushed statement.  Husb2Sparkly   Sep-06-08 05:45 PM   #102 
  - I have not embraced a damn thing.  bemildred   Sep-06-08 05:55 PM   #105 
  - Clinton supporters were happy with it, back during silly season.  BlooInBloo   Sep-06-08 06:46 PM   #107 
  - "Baby Mama" is a movie starring Tina Fey, AAVE is a summer camp  bananas   Sep-06-08 09:29 PM   #116 

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