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30. We'll agree to disagree then. n/t
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  -Ford vs Toyota B Calm  Aug-31-08 10:26 PM   #0 
  - It's still funny.  BlooInBloo   Aug-31-08 10:28 PM   #1 
  - not if you're a Union worker at Ford...n/t  BlueCollar   Sep-01-08 10:07 AM   #35 
  - It's funny if you use the "Union Yes!" avatar as a cruel joke! nt  Romulox   Sep-01-08 10:17 AM   #41 
  - And that's why I drive a Toyota. Thanks. nt  valerief   Aug-31-08 10:29 PM   #2 
  - Me too! 2007 Camry Hybrid! Well, okay, its hubbies, but I picked  DebJ   Aug-31-08 10:32 PM   #4 
     - I'm hoping to get a Hybrid next year. Still juggling old bills. nt  valerief   Aug-31-08 10:40 PM   #7 
  - Sad but true.......American Corporations as a whole are bloated with....  yourout   Aug-31-08 10:32 PM   #3 
  - Where I work, we now have four management people doing what  B Calm   Sep-01-08 07:34 AM   #27 
  - What can I say?  CaliforniaPeggy   Aug-31-08 10:33 PM   #5 
  - I am saddened to know that.  DainBramaged   Sep-01-08 11:16 AM   #55 
     - My dear DainBramaged...  CaliforniaPeggy   Sep-01-08 11:32 AM   #66 
  - And this explains the 'success' of the U.S. of Corporations  DebJ   Aug-31-08 10:34 PM   #6 
  - And that's why I have a 1991 Honda, a 1998 Toyota....and we're all still  Mind_your_head   Aug-31-08 11:08 PM   #8 
  - My Ford stayed in the shop  emilyg   Aug-31-08 11:17 PM   #9 
  - Yep. We grew up with Fords, then my grandparents got a Camry that  Lorien   Sep-01-08 04:20 PM   #94 
  - All too true  pipoman   Aug-31-08 11:20 PM   #10 
  - It might be funny to me...  susanna   Aug-31-08 11:23 PM   #11 
  - NO ONE IS MAKING FUN AT UNION WORKERS!!!  B Calm   Aug-31-08 11:26 PM   #12 
  - What you (and many others) on this board refuse to realize...  susanna   Aug-31-08 11:40 PM   #13 
     - Don't get mad at us for your decision to work for stupid people  Grinchie   Sep-01-08 05:51 AM   #26 
        - Ethics? So I am a moral degenerate for staying at a good job? That's a stretch.  susanna   Sep-01-08 10:04 AM   #34 
        - nicely put...n/t  BlueCollar   Sep-01-08 10:11 AM   #36 
        - Ford was awash with cash in the late 90's  Ikonoklast   Sep-01-08 11:13 AM   #53 
        - In complete agreement there. Nasser was an unmitigated disaster. n/t  susanna   Sep-01-08 11:19 AM   #57 
        - Very well said.  EOTE   Sep-02-08 10:36 AM   #127 
           - Thank you, EOTE. I appreciate it. n/t  susanna   Sep-02-08 12:22 PM   #133 
        - Hmmm.............  BlueCollar   Sep-01-08 10:18 AM   #42 
        - "Electricians, plumbers, auto mechanics...  ogneopasno   Sep-01-08 10:50 AM   #49 
        - Did you replace the alternator or fix it?  Phx_Dem   Sep-01-08 11:38 AM   #68 
  - There isn't anyone in this thread who are blaming the workers  pipoman   Sep-01-08 01:42 AM   #19 
  - My point still stands.  susanna   Sep-01-08 01:45 AM   #20 
     - And my point is  pipoman   Sep-01-08 01:58 AM   #21 
        - We'll agree to disagree then. n/t  susanna   Sep-01-08 09:19 AM   #30 
  - Glad you found new employment.  Festivito   Sep-01-08 03:12 AM   #23 
  - Thanks for the well wishes.  susanna   Sep-01-08 11:10 AM   #52 
  - They don't give a shit, our trade deficit proves it  DainBramaged   Sep-01-08 11:17 AM   #56 
  - Hi DainBramaged.  susanna   Sep-01-08 11:21 AM   #58 
     - I am so sick of the Domestic bashers here on DU  DainBramaged   Sep-01-08 11:26 AM   #61 
        - You're very welcome. :-) n/t  susanna   Sep-01-08 11:28 AM   #63 
        - Oddly enough, you never address the concerns raised by those of us who *HAVE* "bought American"...  Tesha   Sep-02-08 11:45 AM   #132 
  - I'm with you  michreject   Sep-02-08 08:32 AM   #121 
  - did you read the OP???  LSK   Sep-02-08 12:29 PM   #134 
  - Many Wealthy People Rationalize that the American Worker is no good.  trthnd4jstc   Aug-31-08 11:44 PM   #14 
  - I really see no reason to your diatribe here  pipoman   Sep-01-08 01:20 AM   #17 
     - I'm a "working class white guy"...  Fumesucker   Sep-01-08 05:27 AM   #24 
     - I don't disagree  pipoman   Sep-01-08 09:50 PM   #101 
     - I have been involved in politics for years.  trthnd4jstc   Sep-01-08 09:40 AM   #32 
        - Great post!  B Calm   Sep-01-08 10:14 AM   #38 
        - What?  pipoman   Sep-01-08 10:13 PM   #102 
  - Isnt a big part of this that Toyota doesnt  OwnedByFerrets   Sep-01-08 12:41 AM   #15 
  - No. They don't.  susanna   Sep-01-08 12:55 AM   #16 
  - Do you have evidence that Toyota has ever done this?  tabasco   Sep-01-08 02:14 AM   #22 
  - They may or may not do this, but historically speaking the presence of a union raises wages.  Selatius   Sep-01-08 08:32 AM   #29 
  - IMHO  pipoman   Sep-01-08 12:44 PM   #82 
  - Since this series of events has not yet happened...  susanna   Sep-01-08 10:19 AM   #43 
  - I just recently left MI  fujiyama   Sep-01-08 05:32 AM   #25 
  - I agree completely re: middle management at Ford. They're clueless.  susanna   Sep-01-08 09:39 AM   #31 
  - Thank you for helping me understand.  OwnedByFerrets   Sep-01-08 08:24 AM   #28 
     - You're welcome.  susanna   Sep-01-08 09:54 AM   #33 
  - Toyota refuse to hire Union (UAW) so they can pay less, offer less benefits  DainBramaged   Sep-01-08 11:22 AM   #59 
  - That's why I drive Toyotas not Fords  Lurking_Argyle   Sep-01-08 01:22 AM   #18 
  - Thanks for supporting US labor! nt  Romulox   Sep-01-08 10:16 AM   #40 
     - Not supporting poor products  Lurking_Argyle   Sep-01-08 10:37 AM   #46 
        - Agreed, but what makes you think the product or service YOU produce isn't mediocre?  Romulox   Sep-01-08 11:28 AM   #64 
           - What's that have to do with the topic?  Lurking_Argyle   Sep-01-08 11:50 AM   #75 
              - It's my experience that most cut-throat capitalists get VERY defensive  Romulox   Sep-01-08 12:32 PM   #80 
                 - Stick to the topic  Lurking_Argyle   Sep-01-08 01:09 PM   #83 
                    - Labor solidarity (or lack thereof,) is precisely the topic. nt  Romulox   Sep-01-08 01:13 PM   #84 
  - I drive a Scion. Xb, :-)  aikoaiko   Sep-01-08 10:11 AM   #37 
  - I support outsourcing IT work! :-D nt  Romulox   Sep-01-08 10:21 AM   #44 
     - If Ford made the Scion Xb, then I'd own a Ford.  aikoaiko   Sep-01-08 11:45 AM   #70 
        - If Americans provided cheaper IT, then I would buy US developed software! :^) nt.  Romulox   Sep-01-08 04:23 PM   #96 
  - This thread is a HUGE part of why OH, MI, PA are "battleground" states.  Romulox   Sep-01-08 10:16 AM   #39 
  - What, because people got burned with crappy cars years ago?  Fumesucker   Sep-01-08 10:57 AM   #51 
  - A responsible consumer doesn't base purchasing decisions on 20 year old data.  Romulox   Sep-01-08 11:27 AM   #62 
     - LOL.. Personal experience is a very strong bias to overcome  Fumesucker   Sep-01-08 11:45 AM   #71 
     - This consumer had  emilyg   Sep-01-08 11:20 PM   #106 
  - The workers in PA, OH, MI, vote Republican because they support unions?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-01-08 11:31 AM   # 
     - Nope. The workers in PA, OH, MI vote Republican **because the Democrats don't support labor**.  Romulox   Sep-01-08 11:38 AM   #67 
        - Then it's NOT a huge reason.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-01-08 11:46 AM   #72 
           - No, they're voting Repub because YOU love free trade, deregulation, laissez faire capitalism.  Romulox   Sep-01-08 11:50 AM   #74 
           - Really?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-01-08 12:06 PM   #78 
              - Right. You're the type of "socialist" who doesn't support labor.  Romulox   Sep-01-08 12:38 PM   #81 
                 - Toyota workers aren't "labor"?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-01-08 02:06 PM   #85 
                    - ORGANIZED labor, Mr. (alleged) Shop Steward...  Romulox   Sep-01-08 04:00 PM   #92 
                    - Oh, brother.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-01-08 04:10 PM   #93 
                       - If you "owe no particular fealty to the workers of the United States," then what's there to discuss?  Romulox   Sep-01-08 04:20 PM   #95 
                          - Still can't argue the points?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-01-08 04:43 PM   #98 
                          - There is no "point" to argue. You hold an ideological position I find morally repugnant.  Romulox   Sep-01-08 05:00 PM   #99 
                             - Well, if you can't argue the points, shout instead?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-01-08 05:21 PM   #100 
                          - I can only imagine that...  LanternWaste   Sep-02-08 10:03 AM   #125 
                             - The choice between "every possession you own...built in America" and  Romulox   Sep-02-08 10:47 AM   #128 
                                - Was every possession you own built in America by Americans?  LanternWaste   Sep-02-08 10:55 AM   #130 
                                   - Didn't I just say as much? (Look up!) nt  Romulox   Sep-02-08 11:03 AM   #131 
                                      - No, you didn't even imply that every possession in your home was made by American workers.  Fumesucker   Sep-02-08 12:30 PM   #135 
                                         - Because attempting to force someone to defend an absolutist position that they haven't adopted  Romulox   Sep-02-08 04:06 PM   #137 
                                            - So you have no problem with buying foreign made products?  Fumesucker   Sep-03-08 02:17 PM   #142 
                                               - Isn't a Ford built in Mexico a foreign product?  pstokely   Sep-03-08 11:58 PM   #144 
                    - "No particular fealty to the workers of the United States"  MicaelS   Sep-02-08 07:55 AM   #116 
           - And if Democrats would leave guns the fuck alone  MicaelS   Sep-02-08 08:07 AM   #118 
  - Not funny. I love my Fords.  ogneopasno   Sep-01-08 10:24 AM   #45 
  - We love our Mercury Milan, Ford Econoline and Ford Ranger.  susanna   Sep-01-08 10:38 AM   #47 
  - Right on, right on!  ogneopasno   Sep-01-08 10:48 AM   #48 
  - I got 255,000 miles out of an '87 T-Bird before the head gasket blew.  krispos42   Sep-02-08 01:35 AM   #111 
     - Those head gaskets getcha every time.  ogneopasno   Sep-02-08 10:51 AM   #129 
  - We love our Toyotas.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-01-08 10:55 AM   #50 
  - Top Gear is a Brit TV show about cars..  Fumesucker   Sep-01-08 11:24 AM   #60 
     - A company I used to work for got flooded. Our S-10s and E-250 vans  XOKCowboy   Sep-01-08 02:26 PM   #86 
        - Before you call me a union basher....  XOKCowboy   Sep-01-08 02:29 PM   #87 
        - Unless that engine didn't get water in it, I'm calling BS  CRF450   Sep-01-08 03:18 PM   #90 
           - I swear to you it started as soon as we got in it.  XOKCowboy   Sep-01-08 11:32 PM   #108 
  - I don't appreciate you sharing this here, it ALWAYS brings out the Union last jerkoffs  DainBramaged   Sep-01-08 11:15 AM   #54 
  - Ford  endless october   Sep-01-08 11:31 AM   #65 
  - Union support is purely optional for modern, ala carte "progressives"! nt  Romulox   Sep-01-08 11:43 AM   #69 
     - I'm going to relate my PERCEPTION of how things are..  Fumesucker   Sep-01-08 11:53 AM   #76 
        - Is this a joke? Millions of manufacturing jobs have been lost in the last 20 years.  Romulox   Sep-01-08 12:05 PM   #77 
        - I do know that..  Fumesucker   Sep-01-08 03:13 PM   #89 
        - Not true  BlueCollar   Sep-01-08 12:24 PM   #79 
           - Thanks for the info...  Fumesucker   Sep-01-08 03:21 PM   #91 
              - Another way to get a union job is to organize the one you're in now.  ogneopasno   Sep-01-08 10:40 PM   #105 
                 - I could organize myself...  Fumesucker   Sep-01-08 11:25 PM   #107 
  - Hopefully, Ford is turning this around  flvegan   Sep-01-08 11:47 AM   #73 
  - What I'd like to know is why, with the Big Three gasping and hundreds or thousands  bean fidhleir   Sep-01-08 02:52 PM   #88 
  - A friend told me that Toyota would be building new hybrid plants here in  Lorien   Sep-01-08 04:32 PM   #97 
  - Look, DU is throwing American workers under the bus again  Echos Myron   Sep-01-08 10:14 PM   #103 
  - From someone who works for a Japanese company...  MindPilot   Sep-01-08 10:26 PM   #104 
  - Well, in that regard the U.S. and Japanese are more alike than different then LOL. n/t  susanna   Sep-02-08 08:34 AM   #122 
  - even though this happened long ago  Bluebug   Sep-02-08 12:31 AM   #109 
  - 92 Ford Taurus? I had one. Love it till it got to 85000 miles  XOKCowboy   Sep-02-08 12:41 AM   #110 
  - Same story  cabbage08   Sep-02-08 06:52 AM   #113 
  - They fixed most of those in the later cars.  knitter4democracy   Sep-02-08 08:13 AM   #120 
  - You are leaving out a few important details B Calm  NNN0LHI   Sep-02-08 06:03 AM   #112 
  - And do you think that Ford is paying retirement and medical out of current income?  bean fidhleir   Sep-02-08 06:56 AM   #114 
     - The money is invested in the stock market  NNN0LHI   Sep-02-08 07:14 AM   #115 
     - So what? The retirement fund should be overfunded to the point of immunity  bean fidhleir   Sep-02-08 08:05 AM   #117 
     - They run their retirement funds the same way we run Social Security  Egalitariat   Sep-03-08 03:48 PM   #143 
  - I had a Subaru. It sucked. I bought a Ford Freestyle (now Taurus X).  knitter4democracy   Sep-02-08 08:11 AM   #119 
  - 2003 Corolla - 47 MPG!  paparush   Sep-02-08 08:48 AM   #123 
  - I choose other.  Forkboy   Sep-02-08 09:25 AM   #124 
  - Toyota. Meh.  PeterU   Sep-02-08 10:11 AM   # 
  - Self delete. nt  PeterU   Sep-02-08 10:11 AM   #126 
  - Ford Mustang GT driver  Gargoyle   Sep-02-08 01:58 PM   #136 
  - k+r  texasleo   Sep-02-08 08:43 PM   #138 
  - Would you rather drive a Ford built in Mexico or a Toyota built in Kentucky at a non union plant?  pstokely   Sep-03-08 02:00 AM   #139 
  - edit: dupe  Romulox   Sep-03-08 02:13 PM   #140 
  - Toyota sales fall 9.4% as truck sales plummet  Romulox   Sep-03-08 02:14 PM   #141 
 

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