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Sun Aug-31-08 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
| 7. I'm hoping to get a Hybrid next year. Still juggling old bills. nt |
| -Ford vs Toyota |
B Calm |
Aug-31-08 10:26 PM |
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It's still funny. |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-31-08 10:28 PM |
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not if you're a Union worker at Ford...n/t |
BlueCollar |
Sep-01-08 10:07 AM |
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It's funny if you use the "Union Yes!" avatar as a cruel joke! nt |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 10:17 AM |
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And that's why I drive a Toyota. Thanks. nt |
valerief |
Aug-31-08 10:29 PM |
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Me too! 2007 Camry Hybrid! Well, okay, its hubbies, but I picked |
DebJ |
Aug-31-08 10:32 PM |
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I'm hoping to get a Hybrid next year. Still juggling old bills. nt |
valerief |
Aug-31-08 10:40 PM |
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Sad but true.......American Corporations as a whole are bloated with.... |
yourout |
Aug-31-08 10:32 PM |
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Where I work, we now have four management people doing what |
B Calm |
Sep-01-08 07:34 AM |
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What can I say? |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Aug-31-08 10:33 PM |
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I am saddened to know that. |
DainBramaged |
Sep-01-08 11:16 AM |
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My dear DainBramaged... |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Sep-01-08 11:32 AM |
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And this explains the 'success' of the U.S. of Corporations |
DebJ |
Aug-31-08 10:34 PM |
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And that's why I have a 1991 Honda, a 1998 Toyota....and we're all still |
Mind_your_head |
Aug-31-08 11:08 PM |
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My Ford stayed in the shop |
emilyg |
Aug-31-08 11:17 PM |
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Yep. We grew up with Fords, then my grandparents got a Camry that |
Lorien |
Sep-01-08 04:20 PM |
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All too true |
pipoman |
Aug-31-08 11:20 PM |
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It might be funny to me... |
susanna |
Aug-31-08 11:23 PM |
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NO ONE IS MAKING FUN AT UNION WORKERS!!! |
B Calm |
Aug-31-08 11:26 PM |
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What you (and many others) on this board refuse to realize... |
susanna |
Aug-31-08 11:40 PM |
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Don't get mad at us for your decision to work for stupid people |
Grinchie |
Sep-01-08 05:51 AM |
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Ethics? So I am a moral degenerate for staying at a good job? That's a stretch. |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 10:04 AM |
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nicely put...n/t |
BlueCollar |
Sep-01-08 10:11 AM |
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Ford was awash with cash in the late 90's |
Ikonoklast |
Sep-01-08 11:13 AM |
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In complete agreement there. Nasser was an unmitigated disaster. n/t |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 11:19 AM |
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Very well said. |
EOTE |
Sep-02-08 10:36 AM |
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Thank you, EOTE. I appreciate it. n/t |
susanna |
Sep-02-08 12:22 PM |
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Hmmm............. |
BlueCollar |
Sep-01-08 10:18 AM |
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"Electricians, plumbers, auto mechanics... |
ogneopasno |
Sep-01-08 10:50 AM |
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Did you replace the alternator or fix it? |
Phx_Dem |
Sep-01-08 11:38 AM |
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There isn't anyone in this thread who are blaming the workers |
pipoman |
Sep-01-08 01:42 AM |
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My point still stands. |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 01:45 AM |
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And my point is |
pipoman |
Sep-01-08 01:58 AM |
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We'll agree to disagree then. n/t |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 09:19 AM |
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Glad you found new employment. |
Festivito |
Sep-01-08 03:12 AM |
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Thanks for the well wishes. |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 11:10 AM |
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They don't give a shit, our trade deficit proves it |
DainBramaged |
Sep-01-08 11:17 AM |
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Hi DainBramaged. |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 11:21 AM |
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I am so sick of the Domestic bashers here on DU |
DainBramaged |
Sep-01-08 11:26 AM |
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You're very welcome. :-) n/t |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 11:28 AM |
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Oddly enough, you never address the concerns raised by those of us who *HAVE* "bought American"... |
Tesha |
Sep-02-08 11:45 AM |
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I'm with you |
michreject |
Sep-02-08 08:32 AM |
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did you read the OP??? |
LSK |
Sep-02-08 12:29 PM |
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Many Wealthy People Rationalize that the American Worker is no good. |
trthnd4jstc |
Aug-31-08 11:44 PM |
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I really see no reason to your diatribe here |
pipoman |
Sep-01-08 01:20 AM |
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I'm a "working class white guy"... |
Fumesucker |
Sep-01-08 05:27 AM |
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I don't disagree |
pipoman |
Sep-01-08 09:50 PM |
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I have been involved in politics for years. |
trthnd4jstc |
Sep-01-08 09:40 AM |
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Great post! |
B Calm |
Sep-01-08 10:14 AM |
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What? |
pipoman |
Sep-01-08 10:13 PM |
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Isnt a big part of this that Toyota doesnt |
OwnedByFerrets |
Sep-01-08 12:41 AM |
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No. They don't. |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 12:55 AM |
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Do you have evidence that Toyota has ever done this? |
tabasco |
Sep-01-08 02:14 AM |
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They may or may not do this, but historically speaking the presence of a union raises wages. |
Selatius |
Sep-01-08 08:32 AM |
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IMHO |
pipoman |
Sep-01-08 12:44 PM |
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Since this series of events has not yet happened... |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 10:19 AM |
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I just recently left MI |
fujiyama |
Sep-01-08 05:32 AM |
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I agree completely re: middle management at Ford. They're clueless. |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 09:39 AM |
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Thank you for helping me understand. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Sep-01-08 08:24 AM |
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You're welcome. |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 09:54 AM |
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Toyota refuse to hire Union (UAW) so they can pay less, offer less benefits |
DainBramaged |
Sep-01-08 11:22 AM |
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That's why I drive Toyotas not Fords |
Lurking_Argyle |
Sep-01-08 01:22 AM |
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Thanks for supporting US labor! nt |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 10:16 AM |
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Not supporting poor products |
Lurking_Argyle |
Sep-01-08 10:37 AM |
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Agreed, but what makes you think the product or service YOU produce isn't mediocre? |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 11:28 AM |
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What's that have to do with the topic? |
Lurking_Argyle |
Sep-01-08 11:50 AM |
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It's my experience that most cut-throat capitalists get VERY defensive |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 12:32 PM |
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Stick to the topic |
Lurking_Argyle |
Sep-01-08 01:09 PM |
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Labor solidarity (or lack thereof,) is precisely the topic. nt |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 01:13 PM |
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I drive a Scion. Xb, :-) |
aikoaiko |
Sep-01-08 10:11 AM |
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I support outsourcing IT work! :-D nt |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 10:21 AM |
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If Ford made the Scion Xb, then I'd own a Ford. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-01-08 11:45 AM |
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If Americans provided cheaper IT, then I would buy US developed software! :^) nt. |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 04:23 PM |
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This thread is a HUGE part of why OH, MI, PA are "battleground" states. |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 10:16 AM |
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What, because people got burned with crappy cars years ago? |
Fumesucker |
Sep-01-08 10:57 AM |
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A responsible consumer doesn't base purchasing decisions on 20 year old data. |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 11:27 AM |
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LOL.. Personal experience is a very strong bias to overcome |
Fumesucker |
Sep-01-08 11:45 AM |
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This consumer had |
emilyg |
Sep-01-08 11:20 PM |
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The workers in PA, OH, MI, vote Republican because they support unions? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-01-08 11:31 AM |
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Nope. The workers in PA, OH, MI vote Republican **because the Democrats don't support labor**. |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 11:38 AM |
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Then it's NOT a huge reason. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-01-08 11:46 AM |
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No, they're voting Repub because YOU love free trade, deregulation, laissez faire capitalism. |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 11:50 AM |
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Really? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-01-08 12:06 PM |
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Right. You're the type of "socialist" who doesn't support labor. |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 12:38 PM |
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Toyota workers aren't "labor"? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-01-08 02:06 PM |
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ORGANIZED labor, Mr. (alleged) Shop Steward... |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 04:00 PM |
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Oh, brother. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-01-08 04:10 PM |
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If you "owe no particular fealty to the workers of the United States," then what's there to discuss? |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 04:20 PM |
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Still can't argue the points? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-01-08 04:43 PM |
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There is no "point" to argue. You hold an ideological position I find morally repugnant. |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 05:00 PM |
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Well, if you can't argue the points, shout instead? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-01-08 05:21 PM |
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I can only imagine that... |
LanternWaste |
Sep-02-08 10:03 AM |
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The choice between "every possession you own...built in America" and |
Romulox |
Sep-02-08 10:47 AM |
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Was every possession you own built in America by Americans? |
LanternWaste |
Sep-02-08 10:55 AM |
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Didn't I just say as much? (Look up!) nt |
Romulox |
Sep-02-08 11:03 AM |
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No, you didn't even imply that every possession in your home was made by American workers. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-02-08 12:30 PM |
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Because attempting to force someone to defend an absolutist position that they haven't adopted |
Romulox |
Sep-02-08 04:06 PM |
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So you have no problem with buying foreign made products? |
Fumesucker |
Sep-03-08 02:17 PM |
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Isn't a Ford built in Mexico a foreign product? |
pstokely |
Sep-03-08 11:58 PM |
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"No particular fealty to the workers of the United States" |
MicaelS |
Sep-02-08 07:55 AM |
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And if Democrats would leave guns the fuck alone |
MicaelS |
Sep-02-08 08:07 AM |
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Not funny. I love my Fords. |
ogneopasno |
Sep-01-08 10:24 AM |
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We love our Mercury Milan, Ford Econoline and Ford Ranger. |
susanna |
Sep-01-08 10:38 AM |
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Right on, right on! |
ogneopasno |
Sep-01-08 10:48 AM |
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I got 255,000 miles out of an '87 T-Bird before the head gasket blew. |
krispos42 |
Sep-02-08 01:35 AM |
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Those head gaskets getcha every time. |
ogneopasno |
Sep-02-08 10:51 AM |
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We love our Toyotas. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-01-08 10:55 AM |
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Top Gear is a Brit TV show about cars.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-01-08 11:24 AM |
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A company I used to work for got flooded. Our S-10s and E-250 vans |
XOKCowboy |
Sep-01-08 02:26 PM |
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Before you call me a union basher.... |
XOKCowboy |
Sep-01-08 02:29 PM |
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Unless that engine didn't get water in it, I'm calling BS |
CRF450 |
Sep-01-08 03:18 PM |
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I swear to you it started as soon as we got in it. |
XOKCowboy |
Sep-01-08 11:32 PM |
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I don't appreciate you sharing this here, it ALWAYS brings out the Union last jerkoffs |
DainBramaged |
Sep-01-08 11:15 AM |
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Ford |
endless october |
Sep-01-08 11:31 AM |
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Union support is purely optional for modern, ala carte "progressives"! nt |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 11:43 AM |
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I'm going to relate my PERCEPTION of how things are.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-01-08 11:53 AM |
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Is this a joke? Millions of manufacturing jobs have been lost in the last 20 years. |
Romulox |
Sep-01-08 12:05 PM |
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I do know that.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-01-08 03:13 PM |
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Not true |
BlueCollar |
Sep-01-08 12:24 PM |
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Thanks for the info... |
Fumesucker |
Sep-01-08 03:21 PM |
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Another way to get a union job is to organize the one you're in now. |
ogneopasno |
Sep-01-08 10:40 PM |
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I could organize myself... |
Fumesucker |
Sep-01-08 11:25 PM |
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Hopefully, Ford is turning this around |
flvegan |
Sep-01-08 11:47 AM |
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What I'd like to know is why, with the Big Three gasping and hundreds or thousands |
bean fidhleir |
Sep-01-08 02:52 PM |
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A friend told me that Toyota would be building new hybrid plants here in |
Lorien |
Sep-01-08 04:32 PM |
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Look, DU is throwing American workers under the bus again |
Echos Myron |
Sep-01-08 10:14 PM |
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From someone who works for a Japanese company... |
MindPilot |
Sep-01-08 10:26 PM |
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Well, in that regard the U.S. and Japanese are more alike than different then LOL. n/t |
susanna |
Sep-02-08 08:34 AM |
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even though this happened long ago |
Bluebug |
Sep-02-08 12:31 AM |
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92 Ford Taurus? I had one. Love it till it got to 85000 miles |
XOKCowboy |
Sep-02-08 12:41 AM |
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Same story |
cabbage08 |
Sep-02-08 06:52 AM |
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They fixed most of those in the later cars. |
knitter4democracy |
Sep-02-08 08:13 AM |
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You are leaving out a few important details B Calm |
NNN0LHI |
Sep-02-08 06:03 AM |
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And do you think that Ford is paying retirement and medical out of current income? |
bean fidhleir |
Sep-02-08 06:56 AM |
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The money is invested in the stock market |
NNN0LHI |
Sep-02-08 07:14 AM |
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So what? The retirement fund should be overfunded to the point of immunity |
bean fidhleir |
Sep-02-08 08:05 AM |
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They run their retirement funds the same way we run Social Security |
Egalitariat |
Sep-03-08 03:48 PM |
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I had a Subaru. It sucked. I bought a Ford Freestyle (now Taurus X). |
knitter4democracy |
Sep-02-08 08:11 AM |
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2003 Corolla - 47 MPG! |
paparush |
Sep-02-08 08:48 AM |
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I choose other. |
Forkboy |
Sep-02-08 09:25 AM |
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Toyota. Meh. |
PeterU |
Sep-02-08 10:11 AM |
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Self delete. nt |
PeterU |
Sep-02-08 10:11 AM |
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Ford Mustang GT driver |
Gargoyle |
Sep-02-08 01:58 PM |
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k+r |
texasleo |
Sep-02-08 08:43 PM |
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Would you rather drive a Ford built in Mexico or a Toyota built in Kentucky at a non union plant? |
pstokely |
Sep-03-08 02:00 AM |
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edit: dupe |
Romulox |
Sep-03-08 02:13 PM |
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Toyota sales fall 9.4% as truck sales plummet |
Romulox |
Sep-03-08 02:14 PM |
#141 |
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