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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:27 PM
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31. I had a battle with the city of Cleveland water department
First off, that department is notorious for being staffed with political appointees that don't even show up for work, but still get a paycheck. They take indifference to a level previously unknown by mortal man.

It started when my then wife and I moved into one of six townhouses, a brand-new unit. We were the first to take occupancy from the builder. Everything was fine until our first water bill, which was stupendous, considering there were only two people using water at my residence.

The builder had satisfied any previous utility bills at closing, and the lender verified this. So, I called the city about my bill, and the response was, "Pay it or we shut off the water. Period."

Not willing to pay a water bill of over $600.00 for a quarter, I went downtown to the City of Cleveland Water Dept. and, after waiting three hours, got the nice lady to tell me that if I didn't pay up right then, the water would be shut off tomorrow.

I told her to go for it.

Sure enough, they came out the very next day. Seems that the city had installed one main water meter in front of my address on a central feed that split into six auxiliary lines to each residence, instead of six separate meters after the main feed was split.

It is the cities' responsibility to install and meter the water correctly. They failed to do so.

They shut the water off at the main.

Now, five other families that had never been billed for water since moving in got their water shut off.


The next day, Cleveland Water came out and retro-fitted the lines with meters. But they still wanted ME to pay the outstanding bill, for my neighbors' water use.

I told them to see me in court.

They lost. Judge ruled summarily on the evidence at hand.
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  -Should city shut off water if you can't pay? NNN0LHI  Aug-17-08 11:35 AM   #0 
  - Absolutely NOT!  lonestarnot   Aug-17-08 11:36 AM   #1 
  - Va. Beach turned off the water for my elderly mother with back debt less than $100...  MookieWilson   Aug-17-08 11:37 AM   #2 
  - Well it worked didn't it.  SmileyRose   Aug-17-08 11:43 AM   #3 
     - Making her get into a cab with a stranger and drive about 15 miles to City Hall was rubbing it in..  MookieWilson   Aug-17-08 11:46 AM   #6 
     - The new Christian way MookieWilson. A little shock with that awe!  lonestarnot   Aug-17-08 11:56 AM   #12 
     - I just have to ask  Retired AF Dem   Aug-17-08 12:44 PM   #22 
     - Some Moms are in other states..........  SmileyRose   Aug-17-08 01:14 PM   #26 
     - She didn't tell me and I live 5 hours away. I found the paperwork after she died.  MookieWilson   Aug-17-08 02:56 PM   #38 
     - I reiterate her FUCK YOU, you insensitive know-nothing asshole.  Zhade   Aug-18-08 12:53 AM   #69 
     - Personally  SmileyRose   Aug-17-08 01:06 PM   #25 
        - Mom was good in covering up her dementia. nt  MookieWilson   Aug-17-08 02:58 PM   #40 
     - We know WHY they do it, the question is SHOULD they  demwing   Aug-17-08 11:50 AM   #9 
  - I agree. It's a basic concern to aid foundations in the 3rd world.  madeline_con   Aug-17-08 11:44 AM   #4 
  - Fundamental necessities should be paid for like schools  demwing   Aug-17-08 11:45 AM   #5 
  - Food is a fundamental necessity as well, should we get free vittles  2KS2KHonda   Aug-17-08 11:54 AM   #10 
     - There's a scary thought. The Department of Food.  cherokeeprogressive   Aug-17-08 12:07 PM   #15 
     - that is scary...  nickinSTL   Aug-17-08 12:43 PM   #21 
     - Sure, why not, if you're talking healthy food?  demwing   Aug-17-08 12:10 PM   #16 
     - Honestly I wasn't meaning to rib you, I thought you were serious.  2KS2KHonda   Aug-17-08 01:22 PM   #30 
        - We already depend on the government to provide  demwing   Aug-17-08 02:18 PM   #36 
        - I don't know the answers to those questions, perhaps you do but let me reply with another question:  2KS2KHonda   Aug-17-08 03:18 PM   #46 
        - Clean water, like health care, is a RIGHT  alarimer   Aug-17-08 05:27 PM   #59 
           - So should food, right? How about rent? I guess I missed that part of the Constitution  2KS2KHonda   Aug-17-08 08:31 PM   #63 
              - Perhaps you should study up on the Constitution  demwing   Aug-18-08 12:34 AM   #67 
     - Lots of kids do, through the Dept of Ag.  donco6   Aug-17-08 02:58 PM   #41 
     - Basic fuel to survive? Absolutely.  Zhade   Aug-18-08 12:54 AM   #71 
  - I think it would depend on the circumstances.  pennylane100   Aug-17-08 11:46 AM   #7 
  - It's illegal in lots of places to turn off the heat in the winter...  BlooInBloo   Aug-17-08 11:46 AM   #8 
  - No. A lien against the property can be assessed ... as long as a sale isn't FORCED.  TahitiNut   Aug-17-08 11:55 AM   #11 
  - Many municipalities would have to reassess how they bill  flvegan   Aug-17-08 01:19 PM   #29 
  - a person is gonna sit in their home and die of thirst instead of going to neighbors  seabeyond   Aug-17-08 12:00 PM   #13 
  - Some people are shut-ins  NNN0LHI   Aug-17-08 12:59 PM   #24 
  - It can be very hard on kids.  tofunut   Aug-17-08 12:01 PM   #14 
  - Here's a compromise: if you don't pay your bill (for a LONG TIME)  kestrel91316   Aug-17-08 12:21 PM   #17 
  - Our water district works a bit like your last scenario...there's a minimum charge  2KS2KHonda   Aug-17-08 01:28 PM   #32 
  - Sure. Money trumps everything  lunatica   Aug-17-08 12:34 PM   #18 
  - Brava! Very well said.  bean fidhleir   Aug-17-08 04:32 PM   #57 
     - that's the best suggestion yet  lunatica   Aug-17-08 05:19 PM   #58 
  - only if...  ProdigalJunkMail   Aug-17-08 12:39 PM   #19 
  - THIS? Is why I think billionaires, and any system that allows them, are evil. EVIL. That they can  WinkyDink   Aug-17-08 12:42 PM   #20 
  - There should be an emergency parachute for anyone who HONESTLY  napi21   Aug-17-08 12:48 PM   #23 
  - We need an emergency fund for this. n/t  rucky   Aug-17-08 01:15 PM   #27 
  - The question should be "should water be paid for from general taxation and free at point of use"?  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-17-08 01:17 PM   #28 
  - Only if it's rationed.  SmileyRose   Aug-17-08 01:30 PM   #33 
  - I had a battle with the city of Cleveland water department  Ikonoklast   Aug-17-08 01:27 PM   #31 
  - No. The necessities of life should NEVER be denied  Naturyl   Aug-17-08 02:02 PM   #34 
  - That Was An Incredible Tragedy  KharmaTrain   Aug-17-08 02:15 PM   #35 
  - Almost 800 people died and the President and FEMA didn't react  ben_meyers   Aug-17-08 02:36 PM   #37 
     - And let's not forget: CLINTON was president then. He was as callous as b*s* after Katrina.  Zhade   Aug-18-08 12:58 AM   #72 
  - When I was a kid, water was the only utility that wasn't allowed to do shut offs for nonpayment.  Gormy Cuss   Aug-17-08 02:57 PM   #39 
  - Our water is owned by a speculator. They'd turn it off without a  alfredo   Aug-17-08 03:00 PM   #42 
  - Hmm. . .  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Aug-17-08 03:08 PM   #43 
  - No, the first acre-foot or so should be free for residential consumption  The Inquisitive   Aug-17-08 03:12 PM   #44 
  - That sounds like a workable idea. Give the basic amount needed  Cleita   Aug-17-08 03:25 PM   #48 
  - No, it should never be turned off  supernova   Aug-17-08 03:14 PM   #45 
  - Seems to me that water should be free to everyone. The city should find  Cleita   Aug-17-08 03:23 PM   #47 
  - Then people would not value it at all. We need to encourage conservation. nt  MookieWilson   Aug-17-08 06:01 PM   #61 
     - It can be rationed you know. You don't have to deny people water because  Cleita   Aug-17-08 06:20 PM   #62 
  - A real social safety net would supply the essentials for free...  Orsino   Aug-17-08 03:32 PM   #49 
  - absolutely not  galledgoblin   Aug-17-08 03:40 PM   #50 
  - um...all that infrastructure to DELIVER it sure does cost  ProdigalJunkMail   Aug-17-08 03:43 PM   #51 
     - yeah, I understand that  galledgoblin   Aug-17-08 03:47 PM   #52 
        - maybe...but maintenance IS expensive  ProdigalJunkMail   Aug-17-08 03:50 PM   #53 
           - the Southeast is more moist than the Southwest, but it's still not as moist  galledgoblin   Aug-17-08 03:58 PM   #54 
              - ATL is currently undergoing a $3.9BILLION  ProdigalJunkMail   Aug-17-08 04:09 PM   #55 
  - Our water service was shut off over a $51 bill...  Earth_First   Aug-17-08 04:10 PM   #56 
  - Out here, if you miss 3 months payment they pull the meter and it is $800 to get it put back.  2KS2KHonda   Aug-17-08 08:33 PM   #64 
  - Its too bad there is no way to restrict use per day -- say 10 gallons/person.  aikoaiko   Aug-17-08 05:45 PM   #60 
  - Yes. But....  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-17-08 08:39 PM   #65 
  - A living ration of water should be free. After that you pay for usage.  bemildred   Aug-17-08 09:04 PM   #66 
  - Almost immoral? It's HOMICIDE.  Zhade   Aug-18-08 12:52 AM   #68 
  - But, of course.  Cerridwen   Aug-18-08 12:54 AM   #70 
  - thanks for this link - awful thing to be without water  mdmc   Aug-21-08 08:30 PM   #73 

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