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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:21 AM
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42. It's the outcome of their view of the world
their view of America as the new Roman Empire. While, yes and obviously Russia and its former satellites have uneasy relations - for a variety of reasons - one being that Poland, for instance, was much more willing to allow the U.S. to have a site where it could torture people, for instance. And Poland and other nations have a bad history with Russia and have made it a point to align with the U.S. for protection... but did anyone think through what that protection might entail?

The former east-bloc nations have been useful for the neocons b/c, when they were lying about the war in Iraq, for instance, they could use the idea of Polish troops included in the invasion to pretend whole-hearted support for their lies. The truth was more complicated, of course, and western europe saw it as another "France in Algeria" moment. They've all had them, and they could possibly profit from the situation, but they don't want to piss off Russia, a great source of energy for Europe.

Since the neo-cons spent considerable time from 2002-2005 trying to alienate western europe, those nations would be wise to continue this friendship with Russia b/c the U.S. is unreliable. Look what happened to U.S. citizens in New Orleans. Does the U.S. really have the money and power it says it does if its own citizens are left to drown and float as bloated bodies into Lake Ponchatrain?

what I'm saying is that, overall, the neo-cons have destablized the world and have alienated long-term allies and have sought out new allies in the border nations of Russia which, understandably, makes the Russians a bit leery of U.S. intentions.

Since the neo-cons were so far removed from reality with the invasion of Iraq, they do not inspire confidence in this person that they can handle any situation in a way that promotes a better world.

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  -A wake up call: the Republicans *did not want* this Russian invasion of Georgia. Donald Ian Rankin  Aug-16-08 05:27 PM   #0 
  - But it is Bush's fault  The Traveler   Aug-16-08 05:32 PM   #1 
  - You're reaching.  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-16-08 05:52 PM   #3 
  - hardly. he's quite right. who upset the balance of power?  Hannah Bell   Aug-16-08 08:00 PM   #16 
  - Not really  The Traveler   Aug-16-08 10:16 PM   #20 
  - Just why did Georgia bomb and raize a civilian city with no military targets?  Bandit   Aug-17-08 10:13 AM   #32 
  - There are two possible answers to that; I don't know which it is yet.  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-17-08 10:57 AM   #34 
  - ok, then explain what Karl Rove was doing in Georgia earlier this summer.  yardwork   Aug-18-08 04:04 PM   #44 
  - The outcry over the state of the Russian military began before Bush II.  igil   Aug-16-08 06:03 PM   #4 
     - britain gave the us bad treatment in the 18th-19th centuries. nothing  Hannah Bell   Aug-16-08 08:03 PM   #17 
     - No clubbing required!  The Traveler   Aug-16-08 10:11 PM   #19 
     - so Israel should invade Poland for its anti-semitism?  RainDog   Aug-18-08 09:58 AM   #36 
  - There are The Republicans...  AntiFascist   Aug-16-08 05:32 PM   #2 
  - BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Karenina   Aug-16-08 06:07 PM   #5 
  - Yeah...Cold Wars are TERRIBLE for Military Industrial Complexes....  Junkdrawer   Aug-16-08 06:09 PM   #6 
  - The first rule of DU:  Occam Bandage   Aug-16-08 06:12 PM   #7 
  - I think it is still not clear about who attacked who  MiniMe   Aug-16-08 06:55 PM   #8 
  - Of course they want to return to the cold war.  MrSlayer   Aug-16-08 07:02 PM   #9 
  - I think you're making the mistake of thinking the Republicans are cartoon villains.  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-16-08 07:32 PM   #10 
     - ??????  lynyrd_skynyrd   Aug-16-08 07:37 PM   #11 
     - Yes they act by buying the ones in politics and then pull their strings accordingly.  Uncle Joe   Aug-16-08 07:40 PM   #12 
     - I think you are making the mistake of thinking they are not. nt  bemildred   Aug-16-08 08:27 PM   #18 
     - Well that depends on the flavour of self-interest.  baby_mouse   Aug-17-08 06:07 AM   #26 
     - They're not cartoon villains...but the majority SPEAK and VOTE that way...  Junkdrawer   Aug-17-08 06:55 AM   #28 
     - they're real people who genuinely want to make the world  seemslikeadream   Aug-18-08 09:48 AM   #35 
     - wow, that's one of the most ignorant, gullible remarks I've ever read here  RainDog   Aug-18-08 10:07 AM   #37 
  - OK  seemslikeadream   Aug-16-08 07:52 PM   #13 
  - I find it hard to believe georgia would have moved against russian  Hannah Bell   Aug-16-08 07:56 PM   #14 
  - Why Did 1,000 Marines Participate In A Georgia Military Excercise In July?  Better Believe It   Aug-16-08 07:59 PM   #15 
  - Possibly because Russian invasion of Georgia didn't look unlikely?  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-17-08 05:22 AM   #24 
  - " . .. and they don't want to see a return to the Cold War" --- ????  defendandprotect   Aug-16-08 11:45 PM   #21 
  - to renew the cold war, for their own selfish greedy needs  alyce douglas   Aug-18-08 10:32 AM   #40 
  - Until proven otherwise, I think McCain started this with one of his daily calls to Georgia.  MarjorieG   Aug-16-08 11:47 PM   #22 
  - Yes, the Bushites hate war  daleo   Aug-17-08 12:20 AM   #23 
  - You are an authority on what republiks want?  greyhound1966   Aug-17-08 05:25 AM   #25 
  - By DU standards, it seems so - in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-17-08 06:42 AM   #27 
  - You're only kidding yourself.  Xap   Aug-17-08 07:41 AM   #29 
  - Sadly, I can't say the same to you.  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-17-08 09:01 AM   #31 
  - Sorry but neoconservative adventurism and hubris has led to this.  mmonk   Aug-17-08 08:41 AM   #30 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-17-08 10:13 AM   #33 
  - Well, I guess that depends.  yibbehobba   Aug-18-08 10:08 AM   #38 
  - The neo-cons were also wrong about Russia in the 1970s and 1980s  RainDog   Aug-18-08 10:23 AM   #39 
     - Great documentary.  yibbehobba   Aug-18-08 10:47 AM   #41 
        - It's the outcome of their view of the world  RainDog   Aug-18-08 11:21 AM   #42 
  - Oh my darling, can you ever forgive me for my sin of thinking badly of Republicans?  Overseas   Aug-18-08 03:26 PM   #43 

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