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Fri Aug-15-08 04:31 PM
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| 16. The Russians objected because the Georgians had announced their intention to take back S. Ossetia... |
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which has been under Russian protection for FIFTEEN YEARS. If not for the intransigence of the West, this de facto independence would have been recognized. The West recognizes such events only when it suits their purpose, like in Kosovo.
As it was, the Georgians DID invade another independent country with those weapons. The Russians, who were peacekeepers, were attacked and defended themselves. Like any decent army, the Russians had a contingency plan and they executed it. The U.S. is for "pre-emptive war". The Russians were polite enough to wait until attacked. Then they taught the Georgians a lesson.
The neocons preach their right to dictate to the rest of the world with military force (Iraq, threats to Iran). But they get all angry when someone beats them back.
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Further, about the weapons. I have seen estimates of $1B of weapons (not sure if this is per year, but it was compared to a $30 M estimate, which sounds per year). If that is true, it represents an expenditure of 1B/5M = $2,000 per capita per year. According to Wikipedia, Georgia has a per capita GNP of about $4,500/year. So, Georgia is spending almost 50% of its GNP on weapons. And this while instituting the standard set of inequality-producing neoliberal economic doctrines.
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Georgia is just another neocon hellhole.
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| -Welcome back to the cold war: Russia threatens Poland with nukes. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-15-08 01:56 PM |
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Oh yay, I was SO missing Cold War I |
magellan |
Aug-15-08 02:01 PM |
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in reality the cold war never ended |
madrchsod |
Aug-15-08 02:07 PM |
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GHWB in 1989 on the fall of the Berlin Wall |
JDPriestly |
Aug-15-08 02:18 PM |
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Defense Contractors cheer in unfettered approval; Condi can build back that wall. |
Supersedeas |
Aug-15-08 03:01 PM |
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After the Poles pasted a target symbol within spitting distance of Moscow... |
arendt |
Aug-15-08 02:20 PM |
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the last throes of the Bush Administration.. |
stillcool47 |
Aug-15-08 02:40 PM |
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I disagree. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-15-08 03:45 PM |
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Evidence? We are the ones provoking. Arming Georgia. Pushing NATO up to their border. n/t |
arendt |
Aug-15-08 04:11 PM |
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Georgia is a sovereign state. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-15-08 04:13 PM |
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The Russians objected because the Georgians had announced their intention to take back S. Ossetia... |
arendt |
Aug-15-08 04:31 PM |
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Actually, nobody recognized Ossetia's independence. |
Codeine |
Aug-15-08 05:49 PM |
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After the Nov, 2006 South Ossetia Independence Referendum... |
sourmilk |
Aug-15-08 06:48 PM |
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Wish everyone would read your post. People need |
Little Star |
Aug-15-08 06:16 PM |
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Take back? It's always been theirs. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-15-08 06:34 PM |
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Assert. Assert. It doesn't make it so. The breakup of the FSU was anything but clean. |
arendt |
Aug-15-08 07:33 PM |
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I guess you just don't pay much attention - I've been posting since 2004 and I've made 4700 posts. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-16-08 07:46 AM |
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You managed to assert a strawman right after you said that you don't need to justify your assertions |
arendt |
Aug-16-08 08:52 AM |
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Of course, I can see that not being an American weakens my credibility... |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-16-08 09:08 AM |
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Classic. Skip the main charge and make some tangential snide remark. Transparent pettifogery. n/t |
arendt |
Aug-16-08 10:26 AM |
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The "main charge" being what? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-16-08 11:54 AM |
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The main charge is that you assert constantly, even when you assert you aren't asserting. |
arendt |
Aug-16-08 02:31 PM |
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The difference between Kosovo and South Ossettia is attempted genocide. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-16-08 03:46 PM |
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The *difference* you *assert* is yet another lie. Here is one rebuttal. I can quote others.... |
arendt |
Aug-16-08 07:49 PM |
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Haaretz: Head of World Congress of Russian Jewry accuses Georgia of genocide |
arendt |
Aug-16-08 09:52 PM |
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Human rights watch disagreed, last time I checked. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-17-08 05:24 AM |
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No, Georgia just wants to kill every Ossetian in its borders |
martymar64 |
Aug-15-08 04:39 PM |
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I go with Rankin. |
igil |
Aug-15-08 04:46 PM |
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I agree w all your facts, and draw the opposite conclusion... |
arendt |
Aug-15-08 04:58 PM |
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Yeah, Russia have no choice! |
MellowDem |
Aug-15-08 08:19 PM |
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How juvenile. Are you in the third grade yet? Welcome to DU. Now get a diaper. n/t |
arendt |
Aug-15-08 09:00 PM |
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Wait, I can't post sarcastic juvenile posts? |
MellowDem |
Aug-16-08 08:00 AM |
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These days, the sarcasm tag is very important. Such BS is asserted. Sorry, I didn't get the sarcasm. |
arendt |
Aug-16-08 09:05 AM |
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What was it I was saying on another thread about the quality of posts lately? |
BeHereNow |
Aug-16-08 10:07 PM |
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Conrad Black's Pravda - this story is appearing in numerous RW rags. |
Swamp Rat |
Aug-15-08 02:48 PM |
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Are you saying this is disinfo? I'm not clear. n/t |
arendt |
Aug-15-08 02:55 PM |
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No. I have no idea what it is. |
Swamp Rat |
Aug-15-08 03:05 PM |
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I see. Thanks. n/t |
arendt |
Aug-15-08 03:06 PM |
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No, while right-wing, the Telegraph is a reputable publication. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-15-08 03:44 PM |
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"Cuban Missile Crisis" |
Hubert Flottz |
Aug-15-08 03:50 PM |
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ding. ding. ding. we have a winner. Excellent analogy. n/t |
arendt |
Aug-15-08 04:33 PM |
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These are not offensive missiles |
rockymountaindem |
Aug-15-08 07:28 PM |
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1) no ABM system works. 2) Iran has no credible threat. This is just theatre, provocation.. n/t |
arendt |
Aug-15-08 09:02 PM |
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I agree that it's theatre |
rockymountaindem |
Aug-15-08 10:07 PM |
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In the interests of Poland provoking Russia through theatre, I would recommend |
pampango |
Aug-16-08 09:21 AM |
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He didn't exactly threaten Poland |
daleo |
Aug-15-08 05:32 PM |
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Condi must be creaming her shorts |
Generator |
Aug-15-08 07:59 PM |
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The Bad Idea Bear |
AnnieBW |
Aug-15-08 09:03 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-15-08 09:03 PM |
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Yea, well send a thank you note to George!!!! HE was the one who |
napi21 |
Aug-15-08 09:04 PM |
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Nukes, or a missile defence system? Are you sure you've got this right? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-16-08 07:50 AM |
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The fact that a senior Russian general is allowed to say such reckless comments |
Arrowhead2k1 |
Aug-15-08 10:19 PM |
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Pot meet kettle: General Boykin calls Moslems "satan"... |
arendt |
Aug-16-08 09:03 AM |
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This is election year posturing and fear-mongering. bush wanted the |
alfredo |
Aug-16-08 02:46 PM |
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And ironically, Bush's daddy was ex CIA maybe this was the soul Bush saw in Putin's eyes. n/t |
Uncle Joe |
Aug-16-08 08:17 PM |
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