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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 06:04 PM
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50. Ah, screw it - let's just go ahead!
Some amount of nuclear "development" is probably inevitable, given the deep denial and sheer numbers of people who wish we could maintain the extreme energy-per-capita levels once afforded by cheap and plentiful fossil fuels. Victims of wishful thinking are unlikely to be dissuaded by any kind of rational argument, but they may eventually take notice of stark, intrusive reality.

So yeah, let's get on with building the damn things and get it over with. We might reach one or two hundred out of the necessary 12,000 before this ill-conceived stunt runs out of money, uranium, plausibility, political will, or all of the above.

After that, poorer and wiser (and more radioactive), we can get on with the main task of refurbishing the world so that it can run on sustainable amounts of energy.

We've spent the inheritance, and wishing won't bring it back. Uranium might look like another rich uncle ready to croak, but we've been through this movie before -- how many times do we want to sit through it?


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  -Nuclear energy development- Yeah or nay? Callous Taoboys  Aug-11-08 01:42 PM   #0 
  - Assuming we aren't going back to the dark ages  bryant69   Aug-11-08 01:45 PM   #1 
  - Research, yes, Development, not yet  Taverner   Aug-11-08 01:46 PM   #2 
  - For starters, cold fusion is largely a myth.  TheWraith   Aug-12-08 11:52 AM   #68 
     - Recycling is good - but Cold Fusion is not a myth  Taverner   Aug-12-08 05:00 PM   #73 
  - I live near a nuke plant.  Cleita   Aug-11-08 01:54 PM   #3 
  - My brother is arguing that  Callous Taoboys   Aug-11-08 04:37 PM   #35 
     - In the end the waste is the BIG problem.  Cleita   Aug-11-08 05:00 PM   #40 
  - it seems to be working in france.  sweets   Aug-11-08 01:55 PM   #4 
  - France is having concerns about it's waste disposal. They are running out  Cleita   Aug-11-08 01:57 PM   #5 
     - i'm not advocating it.  sweets   Aug-11-08 02:04 PM   #8 
     - You need to start pressuring your politicians, municipal, state and federal  Cleita   Aug-11-08 02:19 PM   #15 
     - And is it true that they are shipping the waste to Russia? n/t  Callous Taoboys   Aug-11-08 04:38 PM   #36 
  - We could always go back to Whale oil and cutting trees  ben_meyers   Aug-11-08 02:00 PM   #6 
  - i'm in arizona too.  sweets   Aug-11-08 02:08 PM   #10 
  - Plutonium-239 has a half-life of 24,000 years. That's not great.  The Wielding Truth   Aug-11-08 02:03 PM   #7 
  - The earth won't survive another 1,000 years without CO2-free energy  wtmusic   Aug-11-08 02:09 PM   #11 
  - If you were truly worried about radiation...  Nederland   Aug-11-08 02:16 PM   #14 
     - Coal plants are a bad idea too and they should be replaced with alternative energy  Cleita   Aug-11-08 02:24 PM   #19 
     - Source  Nederland   Aug-11-08 03:00 PM   #29 
     - I am concerned with all pollution. This thread asks about nuclear  The Wielding Truth   Aug-11-08 02:44 PM   #25 
        - You have to ask yourself though  Nederland   Aug-11-08 03:06 PM   #30 
  - yeah. Until we get fusion.  JVS   Aug-11-08 02:06 PM   #9 
  - It's the only way to keep up with energy demand. There are no good  isentropic   Aug-11-08 02:11 PM   #12 
  - Nay  AndyTiedye   Aug-11-08 02:11 PM   #13 
  - Did you notice where Palo Verde is? n/t  ben_meyers   Aug-11-08 02:22 PM   #17 
  - Active cooling is only needed for a year or 2 and there is plenty of uranium in the U.S.  isentropic   Aug-11-08 02:26 PM   #20 
  - The idea of yucca Mountain is to keep it away from water  AngryAmish   Aug-11-08 03:20 PM   #32 
  - Yeah. Right now. nt  wtmusic   Aug-11-08 02:20 PM   #16 
  - Underground  izquierdista   Aug-11-08 02:24 PM   #18 
  - How long do you think you can do this before you run out of places to do this?  Cleita   Aug-11-08 02:27 PM   #21 
     - There are millions of sites like the one described...and with current technology  isentropic   Aug-11-08 02:29 PM   #22 
     - And what is the population of the world?  Cleita   Aug-11-08 02:33 PM   #23 
        - I'm not going to tell the Japanese what they can do in the Ginza.  isentropic   Aug-11-08 04:18 PM   #34 
     - Illogical  izquierdista   Aug-11-08 02:40 PM   #24 
        - Oh and your thinking is three dimensional?  Cleita   Aug-11-08 02:51 PM   #27 
           - I agree that nukes are not the best solution  izquierdista   Aug-11-08 03:47 PM   #33 
  - Three Mile Island  Popol Vuh   Aug-11-08 02:50 PM   #26 
  - Nay, too many problems and too much money placed into the same hands that have screwed us  greyhound1966   Aug-11-08 02:58 PM   #28 
  - Best answer yet as to why we shouldn't place all our eggs in one basket. n/t  Cleita   Aug-11-08 03:09 PM   #31 
  - It strikes me as the best of many bad options.  theboss   Aug-11-08 04:41 PM   #37 
  - you can love your brother for other reasons....  spanone   Aug-11-08 04:46 PM   #38 
  - Nay.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-11-08 04:56 PM   #39 
  - Uh huh. If you actually knew how to do it better, cheaper and faster  isentropic   Aug-11-08 05:50 PM   #44 
     - umm...  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-11-08 05:52 PM   #45 
        - No "solar plant" will ever be useful for more than one or a few households.  isentropic   Aug-11-08 06:30 PM   #51 
        - There's the SEGS operation providing power to half a million people.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-11-08 06:39 PM   #55 
           - They are not self-contained, they depend on burning natural gas for  isentropic   Aug-11-08 07:06 PM   #59 
        - Ignore it, it will go away.  greyhound1966   Aug-12-08 02:10 AM   #63 
  - a qualified yea  pokerfan   Aug-11-08 05:01 PM   #41 
  - I've been following what could be a "magic bullet" solution  kgfnally   Aug-11-08 05:02 PM   #42 
  - Wow, pretty neat. I'll pass this on to the bro.  Callous Taoboys   Aug-11-08 05:09 PM   #43 
  - I'd rather spend the money on solar, wind, hydro and geothermal  bob_weaver   Aug-11-08 05:53 PM   #46 
  - If you can figure out a way to run an airplane with those, you can become very very rich.  isentropic   Aug-11-08 05:57 PM   #47 
     - I understand the Soviets tried to make a nuclear power airplane.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-11-08 05:59 PM   #48 
     - They had the first artificial satellite...the fact they couldn't make a nuke powered plane  isentropic   Aug-11-08 06:32 PM   #52 
        - What fact do you think is a fact?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-11-08 06:36 PM   #54 
           - I agree the thread contains a lot of nonsense...one example of which is the  isentropic   Aug-11-08 06:41 PM   #56 
              - You can replace all the electricity produced by hydrocarbon  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-11-08 06:42 PM   #57 
                 - Bullshit.  isentropic   Aug-11-08 07:03 PM   #58 
                    - yep  pokerfan   Aug-12-08 01:40 AM   #61 
                    - Makes more sense than nukes.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-12-08 11:39 AM   #67 
                    - Have you done the math?  pokerfan   Aug-12-08 03:44 PM   #69 
                       - Well, like I was saying...  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-12-08 03:47 PM   #70 
                          - That's not what you said  pokerfan   Aug-12-08 04:17 PM   #71 
                             - Well, assuming you're correct...  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-12-08 05:08 PM   #74 
                                - Your math is off - it's not that bad  pokerfan   Aug-12-08 05:24 PM   #75 
                                   - Excuse me, I misinterpreted the question.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-12-08 05:32 PM   #76 
                                      - I only wanted you to get a feel for the scale of the problem  pokerfan   Aug-12-08 05:47 PM   #77 
                                         - No, it's still small portion of Nevada.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-12-08 05:48 PM   #78 
                                            - depends upon your definition of small I guess  pokerfan   Aug-12-08 06:13 PM   #80 
                                               - 40,000 sq. miles you say.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-12-08 06:25 PM   #81 
                                               - I've talked you from 600 plants  pokerfan   Aug-12-08 07:17 PM   #82 
                                               - What, exactly, are you trying to argue?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-12-08 07:26 PM   #83 
                    - See my post above.  kgfnally   Aug-12-08 05:49 PM   #79 
     - I'll take the sailboat, but thanks anyway.  bob_weaver   Aug-11-08 11:12 PM   #60 
  - no way  fascisthunter   Aug-11-08 05:59 PM   #49 
  - Ah, screw it - let's just go ahead!  Terry in Austin   Aug-11-08 06:04 PM   #50 
  - Once was enough for me  madokie   Aug-12-08 06:53 AM   #66 
  - How far from his home should we build the cooling tower? n/t  rucky   Aug-11-08 06:33 PM   #53 
  - Yes, and right the fuck now.  Codeine   Aug-12-08 01:49 AM   #62 
  - No. I live too close to one, & they haven't figured out what to do with the waste yet. nt  Hekate   Aug-12-08 02:25 AM   #64 
  - Yeah  Fla_Democrat   Aug-12-08 06:13 AM   #65 
  - Nay. Welcome to Chernobyl. Enjoy your stay.  Truth2Tell   Aug-12-08 04:27 PM   #72 
 

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