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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 12:06 PM
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36. Fighting fascism must be continuous
Poles and Lithuanians are NOT anti-Semitic by some accident of birth. Every human culture values itself and cautions about getting too close to the other. The other culture might be dangerous or evil or swarthy or dirty or greedy or misogynistic or violent or any of hundreds of other epithets that have been hurled back and forth. What Kazimierz and Schindler realized is that people are just people, and should be given the chance to live in peace, whatever their culture.

What Nazis do is to take advantage of cultural suspicions and fan the flames of hatred for their own purposes. Nazis only picked on the Jews because they were a significant minority. They couldn't pick on Japanese; there weren't enough living in Europe of the early 20th century. They couldn't pick on Lutherans because they were too large a minority, in fact a majority in some places. Jews were a minority everyone came in contact with, they dressed different, they worshiped different, they celebrated different holidays, they called themselves "God's chosen people". What a convenient target for a lazy demagogue to vilify!

The formation of ghettos is not as easy as you seem to think. Sometimes, it was because Jews wanted to live in close proximity to their own, to facilitate social interaction. Harlem did not become a ghetto by forced migrations; it was a cultural renaissance that led African Americans to want to live there in the 1920s. But by the 1960s, it had become an economically depressed area with a lack of opportunity for the residents. Lodz was barely a spot on the map in the 1820's; in the 1920's it was one of the largest cities in Poland because of the textile industry that grew up there, an industry in which Jews were very well integrated, not shunned. When the Nazis rolled in, the first thing they did was to put walls around the Jewish neighborhood and turn it into a ghetto. And the more people they packed in and the less food they supplied, the worse the living conditions became, proving what the Nazis said all along that Jews were dirty and sub-human. If you took any exclusive gated community anywhere and applied Nazi methods, you could also turn it along with its residents into a ghetto and call the people living there sub-human. Just look at what the Gaza Strip has become today.

Poles have suffered along with the Jews that used to make up a large fraction of the population of the country. After the partitions, the Germans, Austrians, and Russians used the cultural differences between Catholics and Jews to keep both types of Poles subservient to their ambitions of Empire. And with enough propaganda, yes, they did turn on each other to the detriment of both.
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  -I just saw Schindlers List yesterday ,for the first time, and you know what boggles the mind ? UndertheOcean  Aug-10-08 10:24 AM   #0 
  - Well, look how complicit our bureaucracy is.. Ever have a question or ask why?  glowing   Aug-10-08 10:28 AM   #1 
  - You are exactly right. Bureaucracy is the little evil that allows the rest.  cliffordu   Aug-10-08 11:21 AM   #27 
  - We have lived through similar times. Following the events of  ikojo   Aug-10-08 10:29 AM   #2 
  - Are you serious?  KillgoreTrout   Aug-10-08 10:35 AM   #6 
  - That's what ikijo said  tavalon   Aug-10-08 11:55 AM   #34 
  - I don't think you can compare the two  HEyHEY   Aug-10-08 03:02 PM   #53 
  - A movie everyone should be required to see.  KillgoreTrout   Aug-10-08 10:31 AM   #3 
  - That and "V for Vendetta". Study your hstory books, people.  Truth4Justice   Aug-10-08 10:39 AM   #10 
  - I'd rather people read V For Vendetta  LanternWaste   Aug-10-08 02:57 PM   #52 
     - Unfortunately, the public doesn't like buying books these days? I wonder why?  Truth4Justice   Aug-11-08 01:56 AM   #67 
        - The public I know purchases books.  LanternWaste   Aug-11-08 08:25 AM   #70 
           - Perhaps I was mistaken then.  Truth4Justice   Aug-11-08 10:51 AM   #74 
  - Hitler, the original disaster capitalist?  alfredo   Aug-10-08 10:56 AM   #18 
  - KillgoreTrout  Diclotican   Aug-11-08 01:35 AM   #66 
  - You'd be surprised what people are willing to tolerate  oktoberain   Aug-10-08 10:31 AM   #4 
  - The German people were fearful of the police, snitches and the "let the other guy fix it" issues.  Truth4Justice   Aug-10-08 10:45 AM   #12 
  - Interesting.  Hav   Aug-10-08 10:46 AM   #15 
  - I was thinking along similar lines, and this book is what came to mind:  pnorman   Aug-10-08 11:10 AM   #22 
  - I wonder how the whistleblower personality would play out in that scenario?  tavalon   Aug-10-08 11:59 AM   #35 
  - And they were afraid for their families. I agree that we do not know  jwirr   Aug-10-08 11:31 AM   #29 
  - Bystander effect (link)  sfexpat2000   Aug-10-08 11:32 AM   #30 
  - That was set in Poland, where there was a strong culture of hatred toward the Jews.  sharesunited   Aug-10-08 10:33 AM   #5 
  - WRONG!!  izquierdista   Aug-10-08 11:10 AM   #21 
  - Props to Casimir III. Obviously the Schindler of his day.  sharesunited   Aug-10-08 11:21 AM   #26 
     - Fighting fascism must be continuous  izquierdista   Aug-10-08 12:06 PM   #36 
        - Great post. Thanks for the education!  sharesunited   Aug-10-08 10:26 PM   #60 
  - The anti-semitism, especially in Poland, but also throughout Europe . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-10-08 11:14 AM   #23 
     - Definitely. Good Catholics know who killed Christ.  sharesunited   Aug-10-08 11:22 AM   #28 
        - I've never understood  bdf   Aug-10-08 12:22 PM   #40 
        - There was a Gospel of Judus recently rediscovered.  Kber   Aug-10-08 02:56 PM   #51 
        - With or without that gospel  bdf   Aug-10-08 03:03 PM   #54 
        - Right ... the redeemed version of Judas ---  defendandprotect   Aug-10-08 05:53 PM   #57 
        - Well. . . . you might consider that you're actually dealing with myth . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-10-08 05:50 PM   #55 
        - yeah, but good christians know that jesus WAS a jew.  unblock   Aug-10-08 01:01 PM   #42 
           - ...yeah, isn't it ironic that they could make Catholics forget about that little detail -- !!!  defendandprotect   Aug-10-08 05:52 PM   #56 
  - Sorry.Too late, its already here in its birth. Your grandchildren will be fascists in full form.  Truth4Justice   Aug-10-08 10:35 AM   #7 
  - It's the old slippery slope of torture, imprisonment without rights, kidnapping by govt.  TexasObserver   Aug-10-08 10:35 AM   #8 
  - The police in this nation feel superior to John Public and only the blind cant see that as truth.  Truth4Justice   Aug-10-08 10:49 AM   #16 
     - They're being taught to disregard citizen's Constitutional rights . .  defendandprotect   Aug-10-08 11:15 AM   #24 
        - In truth I don't think the younger generation even KNOWS what their rights are, including the police  Truth4Justice   Aug-11-08 01:17 AM   #65 
  - What do you mean "if"?  lynyrd_skynyrd   Aug-10-08 10:38 AM   #9 
  - What lynyrd_skynyrd Said  Tace   Aug-10-08 01:47 PM   #43 
  - The very fact that DU exists  demwing   Aug-11-08 02:21 AM   #69 
  - This may help a little.  tannybogus   Aug-10-08 10:41 AM   #11 
  - people are sheep, waiting to be led.  KG   Aug-10-08 10:45 AM   #13 
  - The Holocaust brings out  supernova   Aug-10-08 10:46 AM   #14 
  - The intimidation of citizens begins early on and finally they can't react ---  defendandprotect   Aug-10-08 10:53 AM   #17 
  - What are we doing to free Gitmo prisoners?  Marie26   Aug-10-08 10:57 AM   #19 
  - We read the stories . . . we're shocked. . . we move on ---  defendandprotect   Aug-10-08 11:19 AM   #25 
  - yeah...move them to Saudi Arabia.  tjwash   Aug-10-08 12:12 PM   #38 
  - In response to the Reichstag fire came the Enabling Act, your Patriot Act  arthritisR_US   Aug-10-08 10:59 AM   #20 
  - And let's not forget  Turbineguy   Aug-10-08 11:37 AM   #31 
  - That Speilberg won an Oscar for a film that ripped off other directors work  JamesA1102   Aug-10-08 11:42 AM   #32 
  - The film was about a specific person, Schindler, and his actions.  Oregonian   Aug-10-08 12:13 PM   #39 
  - He could have mentioned them in the dedication at the end of the film  JamesA1102   Aug-10-08 10:34 PM   #64 
  - Your slip is showing...  Balbus   Aug-10-08 12:47 PM   #41 
  - That has always bothered me, too.  emilyg   Aug-10-08 02:24 PM   #48 
  - I've been thinking of this comparison since late 2001,  tavalon   Aug-10-08 11:54 AM   #33 
  - Humans are conformist  Prophet 451   Aug-10-08 12:10 PM   #37 
  - It was fear  JustAnotherGen   Aug-10-08 02:12 PM   #44 
  - I am not a battered housewife.  Gregorian   Aug-10-08 02:13 PM   #45 
  - "They Thought They Were Free."  ocelot   Aug-10-08 02:20 PM   #46 
  - ocelot  JustAnotherGen   Aug-10-08 02:23 PM   #47 
  - A Little Time Perspective...  KharmaTrain   Aug-10-08 02:39 PM   #49 
  - Just one question: Did you make out while watching Schindler's List? I heard that's a no-no...nt  suston96   Aug-10-08 02:39 PM   #50 
  - So, when Blackwater knocks on your door what are your plans?  lame54   Aug-10-08 05:55 PM   #58 
  - I am willing to bet that you would not  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-10-08 05:57 PM   #59 
  - A Holocaust movie with a trademarked Spielberg happy ending is what I found...  mitchum   Aug-10-08 10:30 PM   #61 
  - Our entire nation has slipped from sovereignty to some other horrid thing  soothsayer   Aug-10-08 10:34 PM   #62 
  - And that's why poor Anne Frank was wrong...  mitchum   Aug-10-08 10:34 PM   #63 
  - UndertheOcean  Diclotican   Aug-11-08 01:59 AM   #68 
  - I thought so too, but when you look into the era you realize that it was almost inevitable...  truebrit71   Aug-11-08 08:41 AM   #71 
  - Read "They Thought They Were Free" by Milton Mayer  Ezlivin   Aug-11-08 08:47 AM   #72 
  - American culture produced the masterpiece that moved you to post  Marnieworld   Aug-11-08 09:29 AM   #73 
 

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