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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 06:00 PM
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38. It's NATO expansion that antagonizes Russia, not the EU
and that's been pushed by Bush, not EU members.

The first day of the NATO summit saw France and Germany combine forces to thwart the membership ambitions of Ukraine and Georgia. They stood firm in their opposition despite the mounting pressure from US President George W. Bush to admit the two former Soviet republics.

On the first day of the NATO summit in Bucharest on Wednesday, US President George W. Bush suffered a first setback when he failed to persuade the alliance to open the door to Ukraine and Georgia for membership. France and Germany stood firm in their opposition (more...), despite the pressure Bush had piled on in the run-up to the summit with a visit to Ukraine and a keynote speech in which he urged his European allies to reward both countries for their democratic revolutions.,1518,545078...

FWIW, Germany was trying to mediate a month ago:

Amid increasing concern from the United States and the European Union that tensions between Russia and Georgia could escalate into open conflict, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier of Germany is seeking to mediate among all sides, traveling to Georgia and its Russian-backed breakaway region of Abkhazia on Thursday, then to Moscow on Friday.

This is the first time Germany has taken on such a role in the Caucasus region, which is beset by regional conflicts.

In Georgia, where the government in Tbilisi has been trying for nearly 16 years to bring back under its control the regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, there is a diplomatic push to resolve the dispute in the coming months.
Other countries, including the United States, and international organizations have tried, unsuccessfully, to resolve the conflict. But Halbach said Germany's equally close ties with Georgia and Russia offered a chance of at least lowering tensions and getting all sides to talk.

but it doesn't seem to have worked.
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  -War has begun on Europe's edge. seemslikeadream  Aug-09-08 05:02 PM   #0 
  - Who is going to stop the Russians?  Cleita   Aug-09-08 05:09 PM   #1 
  - The US can't act as policeman of the world.  Spider Jerusalem   Aug-09-08 05:29 PM   #27 
  - Then we should stop meddling  seemslikeadream   Aug-09-08 06:01 PM   #41 
  - Unfortunately, NATO/EU has decided to sit out the  Cleita   Aug-09-08 09:46 PM   #57 
  - I think it's more complicated. China might well ally itself with Russia....  snappyturtle   Aug-09-08 05:51 PM   #35 
  - Who is going to stop the Georgians? The Russians.  High Plains   Aug-09-08 09:40 PM   #55 
  - Yeah, we know.  Snarkturian Clone   Aug-09-08 05:10 PM   #2 
  - Yeah. If seemslikeadream doesn't stop, the Edwards stuff will get lost...  Junkdrawer   Aug-09-08 05:14 PM   #3 
  - It's unnecessary to have more than one thread on either subject NT  Snarkturian Clone   Aug-09-08 05:15 PM   #5 
     - This isn't the LBN forum.  libnnc   Aug-09-08 05:18 PM   #9 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-09-08 05:22 PM   #14 
     - Ain't your board  tkmorris   Aug-09-08 05:23 PM   #17 
     - This story is of utmost importance and more keeps trickling in...  snappyturtle   Aug-09-08 05:57 PM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-09-08 05:14 PM   #4 
  - He would if not for...  NutmegYankee   Aug-09-08 05:18 PM   #8 
     - ....  seemslikeadream   Aug-09-08 05:19 PM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-09-08 05:17 PM   #6 
  - You just hit a button ......  doublethink   Aug-09-08 05:19 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-09-08 05:23 PM   #18 
     - Could you show me the rule on that?  seemslikeadream   Aug-09-08 05:25 PM   #20 
     - From the rules:  Snarkturian Clone   Aug-09-08 05:28 PM   #23 
        - BS 10 THREADS Snarkturian Clone 10 THREADS  seemslikeadream   Aug-09-08 05:29 PM   #25 
        - These are updates of an ongoing situation.  libnnc   Aug-09-08 05:29 PM   #26 
     - So hide them already and quit bellyaching about it. (nt)  scarletwoman   Aug-09-08 05:27 PM   #22 
  - Since we don't have a Foreign Policy forum . . .  knitter4democracy   Aug-09-08 05:25 PM   #19 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-09-08 05:28 PM   #24 
  - Thanks for posting this.  FitzmasAgain   Aug-09-08 05:17 PM   #7 
  - Let the EU worry about it  JVS   Aug-09-08 05:19 PM   #12 
  - You can't be serious.  kdmorris   Aug-09-08 05:26 PM   #21 
     - Why can't I be serious? The EU has more people than us, it's military isn't already spread thin...  JVS   Aug-09-08 05:31 PM   #29 
     - And another thing. The EU has been the one antagonizing Russia with it's constant encroachment East  JVS   Aug-09-08 05:32 PM   #30 
        - It's NATO expansion that antagonizes Russia, not the EU  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-09-08 06:00 PM   #38 
           - It's both.  JVS   Aug-09-08 06:01 PM   #39 
              - "EU Expansion is Good for Russia, Putin Aide Says"  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-09-08 06:11 PM   #43 
                 - To a degree, but when have potential EU membership of states like Latvia, Estonia, and Ukraine...  JVS   Aug-09-08 06:24 PM   #46 
                    - But it remains that Russia feels it can work and trade with the EU  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-09-08 06:28 PM   #47 
                       - the EU seems to rely on Nato expansion too though  JVS   Aug-09-08 06:32 PM   #50 
                          - Not really sure what you mean by that  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-10-08 03:37 AM   #64 
  - K&R  libnnc   Aug-09-08 05:21 PM   #13 
  - I'm with you. Pissing off assholes is a favorite hobby of mine. (nt)  scarletwoman   Aug-09-08 05:30 PM   #28 
  - Hey! You noticed.  Ghost Dog   Aug-09-08 05:22 PM   #15 
  - Thanks  seemslikeadream   Aug-09-08 05:23 PM   #16 
  - We are certainly in no position to get very involved.  JNelson6563   Aug-09-08 05:36 PM   #31 
  - We are already involved  seemslikeadream   Aug-09-08 05:45 PM   #32 
     - Better just drop it, seemslikeadream.  Ghost Dog   Aug-09-08 05:51 PM   #34 
  - Hearthbreaking photo....  katandmoon   Aug-09-08 05:51 PM   #33 
  - Thanks for Posting this  Geek_Girl   Aug-09-08 05:59 PM   #37 
  - Please stop genocide of Ocetian nation!  fa_mike   Aug-09-08 06:01 PM   #40 
  - I do this for you fa_mike  seemslikeadream   Aug-09-08 06:06 PM   #42 
  - Give us a break!  DFW   Aug-09-08 06:23 PM   #45 
  - Kickin this for SLAD  SalmonChantedEvening   Aug-09-08 06:16 PM   #44 
  - Fortunately, this is a little beyond Europe's edge  DFW   Aug-09-08 06:30 PM   #48 
  - It's true. ANYthing can become a flamewar.  flvegan   Aug-09-08 06:31 PM   #49 
  - only when nutters bring in personal vendettas  libnnc   Aug-09-08 06:33 PM   #51 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-09-08 06:35 PM   #52 
  - The UN had better get involved quick  krispos42   Aug-09-08 08:12 PM   #53 
  - Thank you  seemslikeadream   Aug-09-08 08:41 PM   #54 
  - This won't last a week  HEyHEY   Aug-09-08 09:41 PM   #56 
  - Glad to know you're such an expert on the subject. NT  libnnc   Aug-09-08 09:48 PM   #58 
     - eat me... it's a guess  HEyHEY   Aug-09-08 09:50 PM   #59 
        - Oh, so you know just as less as the rest of us?  libnnc   Aug-09-08 09:52 PM   #61 
           - Oh, so now it's personal... fuck off then.  HEyHEY   Aug-09-08 09:54 PM   #62 
              - Gladly.  libnnc   Aug-09-08 09:55 PM   #63 
  - SO glad to see this thread up and running again! Thank you MODS!  BeHereNow   Aug-09-08 09:51 PM   #60 

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