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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 11:36 PM
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120. Maybe so. I can't complain about how others choose candidates.
I don't make decisions that way, but I guess I can see how you'd be upset if that was important in your choice. It's a bummer all the way around. I just assume all of them are cheating, so I'm not let down very often, or rather, I assume any of them could be, so I just don't make that part of my decision.

But I don't like people turning on Elizabeth for being cheated on. Maybe she didn't take it as rough as I said in the first post, maybe she did, but it couldn't have been easy on her either way. Also, consider that she may not have known in 2006, as she claims. She may have found out about it when the story hit the tabloids, or even an hour or two before Edwards went public. She would say what she had to. Think of what she has to lose, and Hillary, too. Both of them worked hard to be influential in politics. They sacrificed their chances to be powerful on their own, to be part of a team. With Hillary, she had become one of the top advisers in the White House. With Elizabeth, she had become prominent in all of John's work, and had the outside chance of being what Hillary was.

And both of them would have lost everything they had worked for because their husbands were jackasses. They had no official jobs, they weren't appointed and confirmed by the Senate. Everything they were, in professional terms, was tied to whom they married. Yeah, they could have divorced, started it all over, maybe worked back up to prominence. Hillary was elected Senator, and was a damn powerful one in her own right. But Elizabeth had none of that, and bluntly, she may not have the time to start over.

It's not just about an unfaithful spouse. It's about their ability to accomplish what they've worked for their whole lives, and whether they have to throw all that out because of an unfaithful spouse. I'm not even talking about money and property, but that's at stake, too.

I just can't blame her for what he did, nor for trying to protect herself from what he did. Blame him. He put her in an un-winnable situation, and from the sound of it, he did the same to you.
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  -If you are angry at John Edwards You must be angry at Elizabeth, too: cliffordu  Aug-08-08 10:11 PM   #0 
  - Yep  texastoast   Aug-08-08 10:13 PM   #1 
  - I'm mystified. I'm mystified that she would be a part of something  roguevalley   Aug-09-08 01:13 PM   #109 
  - I'm one that believes that it takes trwo  notadmblnd   Aug-08-08 10:13 PM   #2 
  - I am only going to post once on this subject.  MrsGrumpy   Aug-08-08 10:14 PM   #3 
  - I'd rate it as at least twenty cents' worth, MrsGrumpy.  crim son   Aug-08-08 10:18 PM   #15 
  - Yes.  emilyg   Aug-08-08 11:42 PM   #45 
  - How enlightened you are.  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-09-08 08:57 AM   #61 
  - I sincerely hope you posted this in the wrong place.  MrsGrumpy   Aug-09-08 11:13 AM   #93 
     - I was talking to the op  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-09-08 11:30 AM   #96 
  - Hello, MrsGrumpy!  baby_mouse   Aug-09-08 10:26 AM   #70 
  - I'm angry at idiots that want to make something out of a private matter.  hobbit709   Aug-08-08 10:14 PM   #4 
  - Absolutely. People think indignation makes them more moral.  cliffordu   Aug-08-08 10:15 PM   #6 
  - It's not indignation -- it's ANGER at being player for a sucker  katandmoon   Aug-08-08 10:17 PM   #12 
  - The REPS will be the ones expressing 'moral indignation'. nt  gateley   Aug-08-08 10:19 PM   #17 
  - Why? How?  Mandate My Ass   Aug-08-08 11:15 PM   #42 
     - It's not a matter of breaking promises.  charlyvi   Aug-09-08 12:02 PM   #97 
  - Good one, cliffordu! I'm stealing that statement, if you don't mind. nt  gateley   Aug-08-08 10:18 PM   #16 
  - Fine wit' me!!  cliffordu   Aug-08-08 10:21 PM   #20 
  - A lot of people here think a lack of indignation..  girl gone mad   Aug-08-08 10:40 PM   #27 
  - I'm not indignant. I'm hurt and disappointed.  Political Heretic   Aug-08-08 11:12 PM   #39 
  - Funny, because John Edwards was one of those Morality-Police types when it came to Bill Clinton.  Occam Bandage   Aug-08-08 10:16 PM   #9 
  - Yep.  Political Heretic   Aug-08-08 11:12 PM   #40 
  - It's not the morality, it's the hypocrisy, stupid...  MrsGrumpy   Aug-09-08 12:06 AM   #49 
  - to be fair, though,  spooky3   Aug-09-08 12:36 PM   #99 
  - Indeed!  Blue State Native   Aug-09-08 10:28 AM   #72 
  - Duping millions of people into supporting them is not a private matter. nt  Kahuna   Aug-09-08 10:55 AM   #80 
     - So, You Only Liked Him Because You Thought He Was Faithful to His Wife?  Toasterlad   Aug-10-08 12:01 AM   #122 
        - Well said.  Canuckistanian   Aug-10-08 09:27 AM   #125 
  - To an extent, I agree. They're smart enough to realize that this scandal would effectively  Occam Bandage   Aug-08-08 10:15 PM   #5 
  - Now that I think about it, I am coming to your point of view re Elizabeth.  CTyankee   Aug-09-08 09:06 AM   #62 
  - .  Lost-in-FL   Aug-08-08 10:15 PM   #7 
  - I believe you are correct. nt  jonnyblitz   Aug-08-08 10:16 PM   #8 
  - BULLFUCKINGSHIT. Not her job to out him. He wasn't man enough to come clean before he was caught.  katandmoon   Aug-08-08 10:16 PM   #10 
  - You might want to read what SHE has to say about it. I mean before you  cliffordu   Aug-08-08 10:20 PM   #18 
  - It was her job to point out to him in the beginning, that should he be nominated,  charlyvi   Aug-09-08 10:23 AM   #69 
  - So they're a normal American family.  bigwillq   Aug-08-08 10:17 PM   #11 
  - I'd like to see them left alone, too. They are fine, decent people who, above all else  cliffordu   Aug-08-08 10:25 PM   #23 
  - They're not a normal American family.  charlyvi   Aug-09-08 10:53 AM   #78 
  - sadly, I agree. nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-08-08 10:17 PM   #13 
  - Yep, you're absolutely correct  IWantAnyDem   Aug-08-08 10:18 PM   #14 
  - Ego and a desire for power  comrade snarky   Aug-09-08 12:43 PM   #101 
  - She should have convinced him not to run  dansolo   Aug-08-08 10:20 PM   #19 
  - Yup... What happens in Edwards Big House  Lost-in-FL   Aug-08-08 10:23 PM   #22 
  - Perhaps  charlyvi   Aug-09-08 10:14 AM   #66 
  - I'll flame.  jobycom   Aug-08-08 10:23 PM   #21 
  - Please see my post #23 above.  cliffordu   Aug-08-08 10:32 PM   #25 
  - Actually, no.  jobycom   Aug-08-08 10:43 PM   #31 
     - She perpetuated the lie. Condemn him, you condemn her.  cliffordu   Aug-08-08 10:47 PM   #33 
     - And that's what I'm saying is despicable.  jobycom   Aug-08-08 10:50 PM   #34 
     - Thanks!  cliffordu   Aug-08-08 10:56 PM   #35 
        - You are welcome, laughter and all. nt  jobycom   Aug-08-08 11:09 PM   #37 
     - Oh Bullshit. What 'lie' did she perpetuate?  Midlodemocrat   Aug-09-08 10:45 AM   #77 
        - Every time she went to a fundraiser and asked for funds KNOWING he would  cliffordu   Aug-09-08 10:58 AM   #82 
           - Don't agree at all.  Midlodemocrat   Aug-09-08 11:02 AM   #86 
     - Maybe the people who contributed to "their" campaigns without knowing..  Kahuna   Aug-09-08 11:00 AM   #84 
        - We have a winner! n/t  charlyvi   Aug-09-08 12:30 PM   #98 
        - Maybe so. I can't complain about how others choose candidates.  jobycom   Aug-09-08 11:36 PM   #120 
  - No. She lied to those of us who trusted her most.  JDPriestly   Aug-08-08 10:45 PM   #32 
  - How do you know she didn't tell him that?  jobycom   Aug-08-08 11:08 PM   #36 
  - I agree.  Mad_Dem_X   Aug-09-08 11:13 AM   #92 
  - I agree. (nt)  colinmom71   Aug-09-08 11:15 AM   #95 
  - What the hell does this have to do  Jakes Progress   Aug-08-08 10:27 PM   #24 
  - I really don't care. I just can't believe the level of vilification and hatred  cliffordu   Aug-08-08 10:40 PM   #28 
     - Exept that wasn't the end of it.  girl gone mad   Aug-09-08 06:33 AM   #56 
        - Golly.  Jakes Progress   Aug-09-08 08:12 AM   #60 
        - Well....  cliffordu   Aug-09-08 10:37 AM   #73 
        - Nobody's defending him.  Jakes Progress   Aug-09-08 05:16 PM   #117 
  - To me.. she's the same as Hillary.. Spitzer's wife.. etc.  RoadRage   Aug-08-08 10:36 PM   #26 
  - You are absolutely right. Neither of them told the truth,  JDPriestly   Aug-08-08 10:41 PM   #29 
  - I actually think they're impulse to continue to serve was admirable, but the  cliffordu   Aug-08-08 10:43 PM   #30 
  - I am hurt by them both.  Political Heretic   Aug-08-08 11:11 PM   #38 
  - No. You are hurt every day by a criminal GOP administration  Mandate My Ass   Aug-08-08 11:22 PM   #43 
     - I can be hurt by both.  Political Heretic   Aug-08-08 11:33 PM   #44 
  - Just like Hillary, really. She bent over backwards all those years  Laura PackYourBags   Aug-08-08 11:14 PM   #41 
  - ...for political gain. "Hillary was the one that handled the bimbo eruptions." nt  Kahuna   Aug-09-08 11:11 AM   #91 
  - Nope.  mzmolly   Aug-09-08 12:02 AM   #46 
  - Yeah, clifford, blame the spouse who was cheated on. Like it was her job to out him.  Bluebear   Aug-09-08 12:03 AM   #47 
  - My point is, and I'll speak. very. slowly.  cliffordu   Aug-09-08 12:13 AM   #51 
     - Bingo. n/t  charlyvi   Aug-09-08 10:27 AM   #71 
     - "Slime him, you slime them both." - utter nonsense from start to finish  Bluebear   Aug-09-08 02:35 PM   #112 
  - Bush should be convicted of 35+ counts of unconstitutional crime against America.  Peake   Aug-09-08 12:04 AM   #48 
  - nope just him  prayin4rain   Aug-09-08 12:11 AM   #50 
  - You people really don't get it do you.  republicansarewhores   Aug-09-08 12:26 AM   #52 
  - A-friggin-Men! nt  Kahuna   Aug-09-08 11:01 AM   #85 
  - Cheating IS bad  comrade snarky   Aug-09-08 12:57 PM   #103 
  - Maybe they thought it wasn't anybody else's business  eridani   Aug-09-08 05:40 AM   #53 
  - Yep, that's what I think.  cliffordu   Aug-09-08 10:39 AM   #74 
  - Then they were clueless about the political reality in this country.  Crunchy Frog   Aug-09-08 01:16 PM   #110 
  - It's true that she shares some responsibility, but it is very different.  TexasObserver   Aug-09-08 05:45 AM   #54 
  - I do have a couple of questions for Elizabeth  Apollo11   Aug-09-08 05:56 AM   #55 
  - BLEHHHH!  dammitann   Aug-09-08 06:37 AM   #57 
  - Hmmmmm, I wonder just how long she has known....  remember2000forever   Aug-09-08 08:06 AM   #58 
  - No flames here. That is an astute observation. She doesn't seem like a shrinking  renie408   Aug-09-08 08:11 AM   #59 
  - I think you are absolutely correct. She is NOT a shrinking violet.  cliffordu   Aug-09-08 10:42 AM   #75 
  - This is a 2 part deception, Elizabeth was the victim in the 1st part  Fla Dem   Aug-09-08 09:22 AM   #63 
  - Right. There are two separate issues at play here (as I stated on a previous thread -  Kahuna   Aug-09-08 11:09 AM   #90 
  - Message to DU: Ignore all Edwards Threads  fascisthunter   Aug-09-08 09:24 AM   #64 
  - I am. n/t  UTUSN   Aug-09-08 09:27 AM   #65 
  - I am.  LibraLiz1973   Aug-09-08 10:16 AM   #67 
  - I'm only angry at the hypocrisy. The affair is between them.  donco6   Aug-09-08 10:19 AM   #68 
  - Yep, yep and yep.  cliffordu   Aug-09-08 10:43 AM   #76 
  - They both duped Dems (except for me) into believing in them. I always  Kahuna   Aug-09-08 10:54 AM   #79 
  - Interesting take. That actually makes more sense than a lot of things I've read....  cliffordu   Aug-09-08 10:59 AM   #83 
  - SHE didnt have the affair. SHE didnt run for office. ALL on edwards shoulders  seabeyond   Aug-09-08 10:56 AM   #81 
  - She did run for office. The Edwards always presented themselves as a team.  Kahuna   Aug-09-08 11:03 AM   #87 
     - regardless of her connection to him the FACT is he ran for president  seabeyond   Aug-09-08 11:05 AM   #88 
        - Elizabeth was just as ambitious and always seemed to want it more than  Kahuna   Aug-09-08 11:07 AM   #89 
           - and edwards CHOSE to have the affair. edwards CHOSE to run for president  seabeyond   Aug-09-08 11:14 AM   #94 
              - You really think they aren't a team?  comrade snarky   Aug-09-08 01:07 PM   #107 
                 - i said nothing about innocent. i am talking about who is responsible  seabeyond   Aug-09-08 01:10 PM   #108 
                    - For the affair, yes. I agree  comrade snarky   Aug-09-08 01:44 PM   #111 
                       - i can certainly respect and understand why you feel as you do  seabeyond   Aug-09-08 02:56 PM   #113 
  - His behavior was reckless and displayed poor judgement.  Clear Blue Sky   Aug-09-08 12:42 PM   #100 
  - Don't bring a too-adult view into this, it distracts from the flaming.  cliffordu   Aug-09-08 12:46 PM   #102 
     - Indeed...  Clear Blue Sky   Aug-09-08 12:58 PM   #104 
  - Keeping silent and cheating on your wife who is fighting cancer aren't the same n/t  cynatnite   Aug-09-08 01:02 PM   #105 
  - I think both of them displayed very poor judgement in this.  Crunchy Frog   Aug-09-08 01:02 PM   #106 
  - I am not angy at her, what choice did she have?  MiltonF   Aug-09-08 03:03 PM   #114 
  - She is a strong woman in her own right.  Fla Dem   Aug-09-08 06:56 PM   #119 
  - Here's my working theory on why she's not accountable.  TexasObserver   Aug-09-08 03:08 PM   #115 
  - Okay...saying we buy that version of events.........  Fla Dem   Aug-09-08 03:54 PM   #116 
  - That could turn out to be the true turn of events. Time will tell. Something is  Kahuna   Aug-09-08 05:53 PM   #118 
     - the story is beginning to take shape  TexasObserver   Aug-10-08 09:07 AM   #123 
  - I am just angry at you for being a dumbass.  deaniac21   Aug-09-08 11:46 PM   #121 
  - Somewhat  NeedleCast   Aug-10-08 09:08 AM   #124 
  - Yup; Elizabeth, if you're reading this, you fucked up  BeyondGeography   Aug-10-08 09:38 AM   #126 

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