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| 115. Here's my working theory on why she's not accountable. |
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I believe John never told her about the affair until last October, when the first public whispers in tabloid media were being heard. By that time, his girlfriend was pregnant, about five months pregnant. I believe John set up his aide to marry the woman, and used his attorney buddy to funnel money from the campaign to the girlfriend.
I believe John hid everything from Elizabeth, denied that the affair was current, but fessed up to a brief affair in 2006.
I believe John has yet to come clean entirely with Elizabeth, and that may happen if paternity is established.
Under my theory, Elizabeth learns in late 2007 about an affair she thinks is long over, was brief, and didn't produce a child. She therefore agrees to stand by John, and go forward.
So I measure her conduct as reasonable and expected, particularly under her circumstances. This is all on John.
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| -If you are angry at John Edwards You must be angry at Elizabeth, too: |
cliffordu |
Aug-08-08 10:11 PM |
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Yep |
texastoast |
Aug-08-08 10:13 PM |
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I'm mystified. I'm mystified that she would be a part of something |
roguevalley |
Aug-09-08 01:13 PM |
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I'm one that believes that it takes trwo |
notadmblnd |
Aug-08-08 10:13 PM |
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I am only going to post once on this subject. |
MrsGrumpy |
Aug-08-08 10:14 PM |
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I'd rate it as at least twenty cents' worth, MrsGrumpy. |
crim son |
Aug-08-08 10:18 PM |
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Yes. |
emilyg |
Aug-08-08 11:42 PM |
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How enlightened you are. |
Evergreen Emerald |
Aug-09-08 08:57 AM |
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I sincerely hope you posted this in the wrong place. |
MrsGrumpy |
Aug-09-08 11:13 AM |
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I was talking to the op |
Evergreen Emerald |
Aug-09-08 11:30 AM |
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Hello, MrsGrumpy! |
baby_mouse |
Aug-09-08 10:26 AM |
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I'm angry at idiots that want to make something out of a private matter. |
hobbit709 |
Aug-08-08 10:14 PM |
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Absolutely. People think indignation makes them more moral. |
cliffordu |
Aug-08-08 10:15 PM |
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It's not indignation -- it's ANGER at being player for a sucker |
katandmoon |
Aug-08-08 10:17 PM |
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The REPS will be the ones expressing 'moral indignation'. nt |
gateley |
Aug-08-08 10:19 PM |
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Why? How? |
Mandate My Ass |
Aug-08-08 11:15 PM |
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It's not a matter of breaking promises. |
charlyvi |
Aug-09-08 12:02 PM |
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Good one, cliffordu! I'm stealing that statement, if you don't mind. nt |
gateley |
Aug-08-08 10:18 PM |
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Fine wit' me!! |
cliffordu |
Aug-08-08 10:21 PM |
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A lot of people here think a lack of indignation.. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-08-08 10:40 PM |
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I'm not indignant. I'm hurt and disappointed. |
Political Heretic |
Aug-08-08 11:12 PM |
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Funny, because John Edwards was one of those Morality-Police types when it came to Bill Clinton. |
Occam Bandage |
Aug-08-08 10:16 PM |
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Yep. |
Political Heretic |
Aug-08-08 11:12 PM |
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It's not the morality, it's the hypocrisy, stupid... |
MrsGrumpy |
Aug-09-08 12:06 AM |
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to be fair, though, |
spooky3 |
Aug-09-08 12:36 PM |
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Indeed! |
Blue State Native |
Aug-09-08 10:28 AM |
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Duping millions of people into supporting them is not a private matter. nt |
Kahuna |
Aug-09-08 10:55 AM |
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So, You Only Liked Him Because You Thought He Was Faithful to His Wife? |
Toasterlad |
Aug-10-08 12:01 AM |
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Well said. |
Canuckistanian |
Aug-10-08 09:27 AM |
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To an extent, I agree. They're smart enough to realize that this scandal would effectively |
Occam Bandage |
Aug-08-08 10:15 PM |
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Now that I think about it, I am coming to your point of view re Elizabeth. |
CTyankee |
Aug-09-08 09:06 AM |
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. |
Lost-in-FL |
Aug-08-08 10:15 PM |
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I believe you are correct. nt |
jonnyblitz |
Aug-08-08 10:16 PM |
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BULLFUCKINGSHIT. Not her job to out him. He wasn't man enough to come clean before he was caught. |
katandmoon |
Aug-08-08 10:16 PM |
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You might want to read what SHE has to say about it. I mean before you |
cliffordu |
Aug-08-08 10:20 PM |
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It was her job to point out to him in the beginning, that should he be nominated, |
charlyvi |
Aug-09-08 10:23 AM |
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So they're a normal American family. |
bigwillq |
Aug-08-08 10:17 PM |
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I'd like to see them left alone, too. They are fine, decent people who, above all else |
cliffordu |
Aug-08-08 10:25 PM |
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They're not a normal American family. |
charlyvi |
Aug-09-08 10:53 AM |
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sadly, I agree. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-08-08 10:17 PM |
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Yep, you're absolutely correct |
IWantAnyDem |
Aug-08-08 10:18 PM |
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Ego and a desire for power |
comrade snarky |
Aug-09-08 12:43 PM |
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She should have convinced him not to run |
dansolo |
Aug-08-08 10:20 PM |
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Yup... What happens in Edwards Big House |
Lost-in-FL |
Aug-08-08 10:23 PM |
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Perhaps |
charlyvi |
Aug-09-08 10:14 AM |
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I'll flame. |
jobycom |
Aug-08-08 10:23 PM |
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Please see my post #23 above. |
cliffordu |
Aug-08-08 10:32 PM |
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Actually, no. |
jobycom |
Aug-08-08 10:43 PM |
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She perpetuated the lie. Condemn him, you condemn her. |
cliffordu |
Aug-08-08 10:47 PM |
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And that's what I'm saying is despicable. |
jobycom |
Aug-08-08 10:50 PM |
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Thanks! |
cliffordu |
Aug-08-08 10:56 PM |
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You are welcome, laughter and all. nt |
jobycom |
Aug-08-08 11:09 PM |
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Oh Bullshit. What 'lie' did she perpetuate? |
Midlodemocrat |
Aug-09-08 10:45 AM |
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Every time she went to a fundraiser and asked for funds KNOWING he would |
cliffordu |
Aug-09-08 10:58 AM |
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Don't agree at all. |
Midlodemocrat |
Aug-09-08 11:02 AM |
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Maybe the people who contributed to "their" campaigns without knowing.. |
Kahuna |
Aug-09-08 11:00 AM |
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We have a winner! n/t |
charlyvi |
Aug-09-08 12:30 PM |
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Maybe so. I can't complain about how others choose candidates. |
jobycom |
Aug-09-08 11:36 PM |
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No. She lied to those of us who trusted her most. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-08-08 10:45 PM |
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How do you know she didn't tell him that? |
jobycom |
Aug-08-08 11:08 PM |
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I agree. |
Mad_Dem_X |
Aug-09-08 11:13 AM |
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I agree. (nt) |
colinmom71 |
Aug-09-08 11:15 AM |
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What the hell does this have to do |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-08-08 10:27 PM |
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I really don't care. I just can't believe the level of vilification and hatred |
cliffordu |
Aug-08-08 10:40 PM |
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Exept that wasn't the end of it. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-09-08 06:33 AM |
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Golly. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-09-08 08:12 AM |
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Well.... |
cliffordu |
Aug-09-08 10:37 AM |
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Nobody's defending him. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-09-08 05:16 PM |
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To me.. she's the same as Hillary.. Spitzer's wife.. etc. |
RoadRage |
Aug-08-08 10:36 PM |
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You are absolutely right. Neither of them told the truth, |
JDPriestly |
Aug-08-08 10:41 PM |
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I actually think they're impulse to continue to serve was admirable, but the |
cliffordu |
Aug-08-08 10:43 PM |
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I am hurt by them both. |
Political Heretic |
Aug-08-08 11:11 PM |
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No. You are hurt every day by a criminal GOP administration |
Mandate My Ass |
Aug-08-08 11:22 PM |
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I can be hurt by both. |
Political Heretic |
Aug-08-08 11:33 PM |
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Just like Hillary, really. She bent over backwards all those years |
Laura PackYourBags |
Aug-08-08 11:14 PM |
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...for political gain. "Hillary was the one that handled the bimbo eruptions." nt |
Kahuna |
Aug-09-08 11:11 AM |
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Nope. |
mzmolly |
Aug-09-08 12:02 AM |
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Yeah, clifford, blame the spouse who was cheated on. Like it was her job to out him. |
Bluebear |
Aug-09-08 12:03 AM |
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My point is, and I'll speak. very. slowly. |
cliffordu |
Aug-09-08 12:13 AM |
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Bingo. n/t |
charlyvi |
Aug-09-08 10:27 AM |
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"Slime him, you slime them both." - utter nonsense from start to finish |
Bluebear |
Aug-09-08 02:35 PM |
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Bush should be convicted of 35+ counts of unconstitutional crime against America. |
Peake |
Aug-09-08 12:04 AM |
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nope just him |
prayin4rain |
Aug-09-08 12:11 AM |
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You people really don't get it do you. |
republicansarewhores |
Aug-09-08 12:26 AM |
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A-friggin-Men! nt |
Kahuna |
Aug-09-08 11:01 AM |
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Cheating IS bad |
comrade snarky |
Aug-09-08 12:57 PM |
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Maybe they thought it wasn't anybody else's business |
eridani |
Aug-09-08 05:40 AM |
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Yep, that's what I think. |
cliffordu |
Aug-09-08 10:39 AM |
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Then they were clueless about the political reality in this country. |
Crunchy Frog |
Aug-09-08 01:16 PM |
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It's true that she shares some responsibility, but it is very different. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-09-08 05:45 AM |
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I do have a couple of questions for Elizabeth |
Apollo11 |
Aug-09-08 05:56 AM |
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BLEHHHH! |
dammitann |
Aug-09-08 06:37 AM |
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Hmmmmm, I wonder just how long she has known.... |
remember2000forever |
Aug-09-08 08:06 AM |
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No flames here. That is an astute observation. She doesn't seem like a shrinking |
renie408 |
Aug-09-08 08:11 AM |
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I think you are absolutely correct. She is NOT a shrinking violet. |
cliffordu |
Aug-09-08 10:42 AM |
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This is a 2 part deception, Elizabeth was the victim in the 1st part |
Fla Dem |
Aug-09-08 09:22 AM |
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Right. There are two separate issues at play here (as I stated on a previous thread - |
Kahuna |
Aug-09-08 11:09 AM |
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Message to DU: Ignore all Edwards Threads |
fascisthunter |
Aug-09-08 09:24 AM |
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I am. n/t |
UTUSN |
Aug-09-08 09:27 AM |
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I am. |
LibraLiz1973 |
Aug-09-08 10:16 AM |
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I'm only angry at the hypocrisy. The affair is between them. |
donco6 |
Aug-09-08 10:19 AM |
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Yep, yep and yep. |
cliffordu |
Aug-09-08 10:43 AM |
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They both duped Dems (except for me) into believing in them. I always |
Kahuna |
Aug-09-08 10:54 AM |
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Interesting take. That actually makes more sense than a lot of things I've read.... |
cliffordu |
Aug-09-08 10:59 AM |
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SHE didnt have the affair. SHE didnt run for office. ALL on edwards shoulders |
seabeyond |
Aug-09-08 10:56 AM |
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She did run for office. The Edwards always presented themselves as a team. |
Kahuna |
Aug-09-08 11:03 AM |
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regardless of her connection to him the FACT is he ran for president |
seabeyond |
Aug-09-08 11:05 AM |
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Elizabeth was just as ambitious and always seemed to want it more than |
Kahuna |
Aug-09-08 11:07 AM |
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and edwards CHOSE to have the affair. edwards CHOSE to run for president |
seabeyond |
Aug-09-08 11:14 AM |
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You really think they aren't a team? |
comrade snarky |
Aug-09-08 01:07 PM |
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i said nothing about innocent. i am talking about who is responsible |
seabeyond |
Aug-09-08 01:10 PM |
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For the affair, yes. I agree |
comrade snarky |
Aug-09-08 01:44 PM |
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i can certainly respect and understand why you feel as you do |
seabeyond |
Aug-09-08 02:56 PM |
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His behavior was reckless and displayed poor judgement. |
Clear Blue Sky |
Aug-09-08 12:42 PM |
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Don't bring a too-adult view into this, it distracts from the flaming. |
cliffordu |
Aug-09-08 12:46 PM |
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Indeed... |
Clear Blue Sky |
Aug-09-08 12:58 PM |
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Keeping silent and cheating on your wife who is fighting cancer aren't the same n/t |
cynatnite |
Aug-09-08 01:02 PM |
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I think both of them displayed very poor judgement in this. |
Crunchy Frog |
Aug-09-08 01:02 PM |
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I am not angy at her, what choice did she have? |
MiltonF |
Aug-09-08 03:03 PM |
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She is a strong woman in her own right. |
Fla Dem |
Aug-09-08 06:56 PM |
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Here's my working theory on why she's not accountable. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-09-08 03:08 PM |
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Okay...saying we buy that version of events......... |
Fla Dem |
Aug-09-08 03:54 PM |
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That could turn out to be the true turn of events. Time will tell. Something is |
Kahuna |
Aug-09-08 05:53 PM |
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the story is beginning to take shape |
TexasObserver |
Aug-10-08 09:07 AM |
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I am just angry at you for being a dumbass. |
deaniac21 |
Aug-09-08 11:46 PM |
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Somewhat |
NeedleCast |
Aug-10-08 09:08 AM |
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Yup; Elizabeth, if you're reading this, you fucked up |
BeyondGeography |
Aug-10-08 09:38 AM |
#126 |