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116. Correction:
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 07:23 AM by leveymg
Hatfill was under contract with SAIC to build mock biowarfare trailers. This was first reported back in 2003.

According to these initial reports, Hatfill constructed such a trailer near Ft. Detrick at the time of the attacks and DIA later had him train the 75th Exploitation Group to search for Iraqi WMD, even though Hatfill was the prime suspect. By the way, Judy Miller accompanied that unit in its quest for the holy grail as it meandered around Iraq, falsely identifying weather balloon trailers as mobile WMD labs. General Patreaus held a press conference when the weather balloon trailers were found, and confirmed that they were WMD labs, a false statement he never retracted. Cheney and others continued mouthing these charges for another year.

A later report stated Hatfill built several trailers at SAIC as part of a CIA contract. The CIA-produced graphics of an "Iraqi biowarfare trailer" that Colin Powell displayed at the UN, was actually a design for SAIC trailers.

Here's an early report describing Hatfill's work building trailers used to train the 75 Exploitation Group.

Hatfill Trained U.S. Team on Bioweapons
Weapons Expert Had Lost His Security Clearance

By Marilyn W. Thompson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 3, 2003; Page A03

Months after Steven J. Hatfill came under FBI scrutiny in the anthrax investigation and lost his government security clearance, he played an important role in training U.S. intelligence agents and Special Forces for covert missions abroad to search for weapons of mass destruction and was involved in planning security at the U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan, according to documents and interviews with government officials and Hatfill's associates.

Hatfill trained an elite team from the Defense Intelligence Agency on ways to search for biological weapons, worked on secret projects with the Army's Delta Force and sat in on at least one State Department meeting on embassy security in postwar Afghanistan, according to the sources and documents. He secured letters of commendation for his work from officials at the DIA, which gathers military intelligence, and the State Department, which was trying to add protections to safeguard U.S. diplomats.

The disclosure of Hatfill's work on secret bioweapons projects casts new light on the government's investigation of the 2001 anthrax attacks, which killed five people and sickened 17 others. Hatfill, 49, has been labeled a "person of interest" in the anthrax case by Attorney General John D. Ashcroft, though the scientist and his supporters have strenuously denied that he had any involvement in the case.

Hatfill was among an exclusive group of biological weapons experts whose skills attracted the attention of the Pentagon, which needed instructors as it began to focus seriously on the hunt for bioweapons in Iraq, and the FBI, which was looking for people able to carry out the anthrax attacks. Hatfill's involvement with the Pentagon as the anthrax investigation intensified created tension between the FBI and the Defense Department, sources close to the investigation said.


Hatfill, who once conducted research at the Army labs at Fort Detrick, Md., played an intimate role in U.S. preparations for the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, designing special equipment and countermeasures that U.S. teams could use in hostile situations. In one top-secret project, he even helped design a replica of the mobile biological weapons production laboratories that the Pentagon believed troops might encounter in Iraq.

Hatfill's work on the mock mobile lab was first revealed in yesterday's editions of the New York Times.

In March 2002, as the FBI's interest in him intensified, Hatfill led a training session for the DIA's Chemical and Biological Intelligence Support Team at Camp Dawson, W.Va., DIA spokesman Don Black said. The agency was preparing small numbers of agents to be sent to Afghanistan to relieve agents in the field. It was also training them for possible deployment to Iraq and other nations suspected of having chemical and biological stockpiles.

DIA and CIA agents assigned to the weapons hunt work with the 75th Exploitation Task Force, which searched for weapons in Iraq in recent months.

To facilitate Hatfill's involvement in the training program, the DIA had to appeal to its training contractor, Science Applications International Corp. (SAIC), to allow the bioweapons expert, who had been stripped of his security clearance, to participate, Black said.

A week before the session began, the SAIC had fired Hatfill amid mounting concern over the FBI's scrutiny of him. But after the DIA's request, the SAIC agreed to allow Hatfill to volunteer in the training program, a Hatfill associate said.

The DIA was so pleased by Hatfill's performance in the specialized training that division leader Esteban Rodriguez wrote a letter of commendation on his behalf to managers at the SAIC. In the letter, dated May 1, 2002, Rodriguez said that Hatfill "consistently displayed unsurpassed technical expertise, unique resourcefulness, total dedication and consummate professionalism. I wish to express my most sincere gratitude to this ultimate biological weapons expert."

Hatfill also secured a letter praising his work for the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service. That letter referred to a "counter-measures program" Hatfill developed for State Department personnel who might encounter biological weapons threats. In another effort with the State Department, Hatfill sat in on one meeting about embassy security in the spring of 2002 but was not sent to Afghanistan on an official mission, said a spokesman for the Diplomatic Security Service.

Black said that "there is nothing to indicate that the FBI objected" to Hatfill's role in the secret training course. FBI spokeswoman Debbie Weierman said the bureau would not comment on Hatfill's work for government agencies.

But other sources said the Pentagon's insistence on using Hatfill as an instructor even as the FBI intensified its investigation of him angered and puzzled some agents on the case. In the summer of 2002, when it was ready for delivery to Fort Bragg, N.C., the FBI demanded to search the mock mobile laboratory for evidence that it could have been used to prepare the anthrax used in the mailings. The searches found nothing, sources familiar with the events said.

While instructing government agents, Hatfill also was undergoing his own specialized training to go to Iraq as a biological weapons inspector for the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC). A medical doctor who once conducted virology research at the U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Hatfill was on the U.N. inspection roster but was never deployed to participate in the weapons hunt.

As an employee of the SAIC, stationed in McLean and in Joppa, Md., Hatfill worked partly as a bioweapons and counterterrorism trainer who designed realistic scenarios that could be used to prepare troops, government inspectors and first responders for encounters with biological and chemical agents. A more sensitive part of his job was working with defense and intelligence agencies to design equipment and countermeasures that could be used in an encounter with weapons of mass destruction.

One of Hatfill's most intriguing projects at the SAIC was his design of the mock mobile lab, which was assembled for training of the Delta Force, a commando unit of the U.S. Special Forces based at Fort Bragg. The nonfunctional lab was built on an 18-wheel trailer and fitted with a fermenter and other specialized equipment.

Hatfill planned the equipment, designed the interior layout and stored construction materials in a warehouse before building began, said a source who has seen the vehicle.

In its investigation, the FBI has traced all of the materials ordered for the lab by Hatfill and others at the SAIC, the source said.

The trailer, known at the SAIC as the "can," was under construction in late 2001 at a shop in Frederick, where Hatfill once lived in an apartment near Fort Detrick.

The FBI recently completed a search of a one-acre pond in that area, where it had previously found equipment that some investigators believe could have been used to prepare the letters containing the anthrax bacteria.

Col. Bill Darley, a spokesman for the U.S. Special Operations Command in Tampa, said that Hatfill also designed a fixed or "static" nonfunctional bioweapons lab for use in training Special Forces in an unspecified location in the western United States.

Darley said he could not discuss details of how these labs have been used in training. The programs, he said, are at the heart of the "dark tactics, techniques and procedures" used to prepare troops for missions abroad.


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  -"Whole Load Of Crap"-Larisa Alexandrovna Has Low Down On "Therapist" To The Anthrax Suspect kpete  Aug-04-08 08:48 AM   #0 
  - Drug and Alcohol "theripist" (sic) with several recent DUIs...  Junkdrawer   Aug-04-08 08:51 AM   #1 
  - How could she know he was gonna be charged before the grand jury  Heidi   Aug-04-08 08:58 AM   #2 
  - Apparently all of his neighbors knew that he was being watched.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-04-08 09:40 AM   #12 
  - Just curios; By what stretch would she have access to or know any of his neighbors. nt  ooglymoogly   Aug-04-08 09:01 PM   #98 
  - It sounds like somebody told her that the grand jury would indict him....interesting.  yardwork   Aug-04-08 10:57 AM   #27 
     - Her "source" may have been FBI agents who interviewed her.  leveymg   Aug-04-08 01:33 PM   #50 
        - Exactly. Just as they probably told her that their doctors had  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 01:44 PM   #53 
           - Yup. The only question is, why are they moving this case now? Leahy?  leveymg   Aug-04-08 01:54 PM   #56 
              - Well, if what you want is to slow down Democrats  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 02:02 PM   #58 
                 - It doesn't make sense for BushCo to stir up this shitstorm, now.  leveymg   Aug-04-08 02:12 PM   #61 
                    - FBI removed contents of Ivins' lab freezer in June.  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 02:40 PM   #64 
                    - Should combine timelines for Hatfill, Ivins, Kelly others who worked on US-UK "Iraq WMD" projects  leveymg   Aug-04-08 03:13 PM   #70 
                       - We might check Paul Thompson's History Commons.  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 03:23 PM   #72 
                       - Please post what you find.  leveymg   Aug-04-08 03:38 PM   #75 
                       - This is the first I've seen of Ivins being involved with the CIA....  AntiFascist   Aug-04-08 04:57 PM   #83 
                       - Correction:  leveymg   Aug-05-08 07:22 AM   #116 
                    - The statement , "It' doesn't make sense" is all you have to  MadMaddie   Aug-04-08 07:07 PM   #94 
                    - The FBI has been dragging its feet on this case because...  AntiFascist   Aug-05-08 04:49 AM   #115 
  - Yous guys really oughta get paid for this  libnnc   Aug-04-08 09:01 AM   #3 
  - clearly, she is a useful idiot, being used  TexasObserver   Aug-04-08 09:02 AM   #4 
  - This whole thing is beginning to smell worse and worse  SpiralHawk   Aug-04-08 09:04 AM   #5 
  - Thank you Larisa for being a real journalist  Rosie1223   Aug-04-08 09:05 AM   #6 
  - Wouldn't you love to see Larisa get the Pulitzer for her excellent investigative journalism,  tblue37   Aug-04-08 12:03 PM   #39 
     - Totally amazing work - rather than a Pulitzer, I'd like to see some heads roll...  file83   Aug-05-08 01:25 AM   #113 
  - What a witness.  screembloodymurder   Aug-04-08 09:08 AM   #7 
  - based on her 'testimony' -- might she deserve 'witness protection' so there is no follow-up now that  Supersedeas   Aug-04-08 01:02 PM   #47 
  - Yeah, I'd say in the Maryland mountains...  liam_laddie   Aug-04-08 01:57 PM   #57 
  - If the threats she claimed Ivins made in a group therapy session  suffragette   Aug-04-08 09:15 AM   #8 
  - It's real easy to remember how to spell it. The Rapist = therapist.  Wizard777   Aug-04-08 09:15 AM   #9 
  - Duley is a social worker who simply organized and conducted  fasttense   Aug-04-08 09:26 AM   #10 
  - Again, I cant wait to see the movie!  sheeptramp   Aug-04-08 10:19 AM   #17 
  - Someone who is so easily manipulated probably shouldn't be runnin  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 11:29 AM   #33 
  - I really think we need to close this case quickly. Like, NOW!  BushDespiser12   Aug-04-08 09:26 AM   #11 
  - Larisa's at-largely article prior to this one mentioned locations  EVDebs   Aug-04-08 09:52 AM   #13 
  - Does KO know about this?  GreenPartyVoter   Aug-04-08 09:56 AM   #14 
  - In the words of Dr. Thompson: "Strange tales from strange times."  DemoTex   Aug-04-08 10:06 AM   #15 
  - Deffinitely requires another K&R n/t  JohnyCanuck   Aug-04-08 10:08 AM   #16 
  - Did you see this post?  itsjustme   Aug-04-08 10:24 AM   #18 
  - "They offered his son $2.5 M and a sportscar if he would "rat" on his father."  sheeptramp   Aug-04-08 10:35 AM   #21 
  - Exactly  itsjustme   Aug-04-08 10:38 AM   #22 
     - Gerry Higgins..  undergroundpanther   Aug-05-08 01:01 AM   #110 
  - I found a Gerry Higgins in Silver Spring Maryland  itsjustme   Aug-04-08 10:57 AM   #26 
  - Imagine what the FBI promised the "estranged" brother --- !!!  defendandprotect   Aug-04-08 02:37 PM   #63 
  - Is that real?  SpookyCat   Aug-04-08 03:10 PM   #69 
  - Sickening, isn't it? Deliberate mental torture.  Raksha   Aug-04-08 04:49 PM   #80 
     - Remember Gonzales tracked down Ashcroft in his hospital bed---!!!  defendandprotect   Aug-05-08 01:59 PM   #120 
  - Do you have a link to the Gerry Higgins post?  Kaleko   Aug-04-08 08:30 PM   #96 
  - is she a licensed theripist (sic)? i don't think they teach that  ellenfl   Aug-04-08 10:27 AM   #19 
  - No, she's not. She earned a certificate to do drug counseling. n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 10:40 AM   #23 
  - Since many states privatized mental health care, almost anyone can earn such certificates.  yardwork   Aug-04-08 11:03 AM   #28 
     - I was surprised at how easy it is to get one here. n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 11:27 AM   #30 
        - Yes. This woman is no expert. She sounds unstable.  yardwork   Aug-04-08 11:29 AM   #32 
           - It's freaky to me that no one questioned her allegations.  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 11:30 AM   #34 
           - I wouldn't have expected the press to question her allegations!  yardwork   Aug-04-08 01:41 PM   #52 
              - But, the judge didn't either at that hearing!  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 01:46 PM   #54 
                 - Good point.  yardwork   Aug-04-08 01:51 PM   #55 
           - I have known quite a few  undergroundpanther   Aug-05-08 01:16 AM   #112 
  - Thereipey, Fineanchill advizsing, counsilling  panzerfaust   Aug-04-08 06:36 PM   #92 
  - Enemy Combatant  Bjarne Riis   Aug-04-08 10:28 AM   #20 
  - Nah, they only do that to "brown" people  VWolf   Aug-04-08 02:11 PM   #60 
  - The stakes are too high here  Wednesdays   Aug-04-08 02:48 PM   #65 
  - Wow! We need to keep this kicked. K & R n/t  chill_wind   Aug-04-08 10:42 AM   #24 
  - Anthrax suspects colleague blames FBI for suicide  sattahipdeep   Aug-04-08 10:47 AM   #25 
  - Were $$ offered to his kid?  itsjustme   Aug-04-08 11:08 AM   #29 
  - Get this....  sattahipdeep   Aug-04-08 11:27 AM   #31 
     - Public computers that anyone could use?  MetaTrope   Aug-04-08 11:36 AM   #35 
        - Whos button did Ivins push. bubonic plague?  sattahipdeep   Aug-04-08 12:26 PM   #42 
  - Re the MSNBC article  defendandprotect   Aug-04-08 02:48 PM   #66 
  - Very courageous of Byrnes to speak out --- I'm sure they all feel threatened . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-04-08 02:56 PM   #67 
  - Keep digging.  cat_girl25   Aug-04-08 11:40 AM   #36 
  - Someone should send this thread to Kieth Olbermann!  B Calm   Aug-04-08 11:44 AM   #37 
  - The "NUT" Here Clearly IS NOT Ivins... But DULEY!  DaLittle Kitty   Aug-04-08 11:49 AM   #38 
  - K&R n/t  Dogtown   Aug-04-08 12:12 PM   #40 
  - it is a whole load of crap....bush/cheney are the perps  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-04-08 12:12 PM   #41 
  - Yum. This is like eating cotton candy in my brain.  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-04-08 12:40 PM   #43 
  - k&r Did you see the hand writing on the restraining order request  FraDon   Aug-04-08 12:42 PM   #44 
  - Irreconcilable differences.  leveymg   Aug-04-08 01:37 PM   #51 
  - maybe she was in a similar state of mind when she allegedly attacked her husband  Supersedeas   Aug-04-08 09:19 PM   #101 
  - IMHO, this is a really amateurish cover-up  caseymoz   Aug-04-08 12:51 PM   #45 
  - Newspapers are going because no one is reading them -- TV is next . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Aug-04-08 03:00 PM   #68 
  - K&R There are way too many "suicides" connected to  Jesuswasntafascist   Aug-04-08 12:55 PM   #46 
  - Wow.  redqueen   Aug-04-08 01:10 PM   #48 
  - Anybody else notice what she put down as her "race"?  LiberalHeart   Aug-04-08 01:32 PM   #49 
  - Here's her photo, a typical "white asiatic indian arab" person. Sure.  Julius Civitatus   Aug-04-08 03:17 PM   #71 
  - au contraire  panzerfaust   Aug-04-08 06:30 PM   #91 
  - BSW?  ekwhite   Aug-04-08 11:34 PM   #106 
  - sounds like she was trying to push all kinds of buttons  Supersedeas   Aug-04-08 03:32 PM   #74 
  - This is a white-hot investigation by Larisa! Go lady GO!  Poll_Blind   Aug-04-08 02:11 PM   #59 
  - Grand jury testimony from August 1? What grand jury?  robertpaulsen   Aug-04-08 02:16 PM   #62 
  - Thoughts - she's incompetent and ripe for manipulation - the perfect patsy.  tinrobot   Aug-04-08 03:28 PM   #73 
  - I don't think she's in hiding from the press.  Raksha   Aug-04-08 04:55 PM   #82 
  - nice job Larisa, kpete, smoking gun, etc.  orleans   Aug-04-08 03:53 PM   #76 
  - Easy money bet: a close family member or friend of hers is with The Company.  sofa king   Aug-04-08 04:01 PM   #77 
  - Do you think so? She just sounds young and easy and stupid.n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 05:32 PM   #87 
  - I have been subpoena to testify  Rex   Aug-04-08 04:07 PM   #78 
  - May she's been ...  Everybody   Aug-04-08 04:13 PM   #79 
  - Either that or she's afraid of being disappeared.  Raksha   Aug-04-08 05:02 PM   #84 
     - She's the weak link now  MetaTrope   Aug-04-08 11:37 PM   #107 
  - The brother's interview  PATRICK   Aug-04-08 04:50 PM   #81 
  - Of course Daschle isn't buying it. If this is a cover-up,  Raksha   Aug-04-08 05:31 PM   #86 
  - The brother's interview  MetaTrope   Aug-05-08 11:34 AM   #119 
  - K&R, Duley is clearly being propped up and supported to feed the media...  AntiFascist   Aug-04-08 05:03 PM   #85 
  - they want to close the case - sounds like crap to me - lot more behind this but  28erl   Aug-04-08 06:18 PM   #88 
  - As a doctor ...  panzerfaust   Aug-04-08 06:20 PM   #89 
  - Heard her statement on CNN yesterday and wondered  Imalittleteapot   Aug-04-08 06:29 PM   #90 
  - Maybe the author of the note is actually in the legal profession?  Uncle Joe   Aug-04-08 07:01 PM   #93 
  - A crock of crapola to cover Ivins being "suicided".  BrklynLiberal   Aug-04-08 08:25 PM   #95 
  - Regarding the Therapists Spellings......  gutterpunk   Aug-04-08 08:52 PM   #97 
  - Why did she lose her job and HOW THE HELL is she "paying for attorneys"?  sicksicksick_N_tired   Aug-04-08 09:01 PM   #99 
  - She's had three DUIs in the last several years. Maybe  sfexpat2000   Aug-05-08 01:09 AM   #111 
  - Do we have any testimonials about Ivins other than this woman and the  ooglymoogly   Aug-04-08 09:09 PM   #100 
  - read the "progress" of this  azurnoir   Aug-04-08 10:12 PM   #102 
  - Irwin was committed to the psych ward because he was  Ima Misfit   Aug-04-08 10:20 PM   #103 
  - Sheppard pratt??!! OMG that explains alot.  undergroundpanther   Aug-04-08 11:05 PM   #104 
  - If I was a conspiracy theorist  ekwhite   Aug-04-08 11:14 PM   #105 
  - "the anthrax attacks right after 9/11 were mighty convenient"  JohnyCanuck   Aug-05-08 03:00 PM   #123 
  - This occurred after 9-11, "they" closed the books on that and the only thing remaining was  Imagevision   Aug-04-08 11:43 PM   #108 
  - WSJ article: "Bruce Ivins Wasn't the Anthrax Culprit"  Julius Civitatus   Aug-04-08 11:53 PM   #109 
  - This needs tobe an original post. nt  ooglymoogly   Aug-05-08 02:41 PM   #121 
  - kr  Progs Rock   Aug-05-08 02:44 AM   #114 
  - What Ever Happened To Patient/Client Priviledge?  DallasNE   Aug-05-08 07:47 AM   #117 
  - I thought this woman's story sounded WAY too convenient from Day 1.  Brotherjohn   Aug-05-08 08:01 AM   #118 
  - You have done it again Kpete  zeemike   Aug-05-08 02:48 PM   #122 
  - Jean C. Duley is going to end up...  nikto   Aug-05-08 11:34 PM   #124 

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