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"Whole Load Of Crap"-Larisa Alexandrovna Has Low Down On "Therapist" To The Anthrax Suspect
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August 03, 2008
Jean C. Duley... tell us again...

Okay, well the more research I do into the now infamous Ms. Jean C. Duley - the "therapist" who filed a restraining order against the alleged anthrax attacks suspect Bruce E. Ivins - the more her story sounds like a whole load of crap.

Let's rehash Ms. Duley's role in the whole saga.

According to The Smoking Gun, documents they obtained and posted show that Ms. Duley filed a restraining order request against Bruce Ivins on July 24th. In that complaint, she wrote the following (the errors are hers):

client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats, actions, plans, threats & actions toward theripist. Dr. David Irwin his psychiatrist called him homicidal, sociopathic with clear intentions will testify with other details FBI involved, currently under investigation & will be charged with 5 capital murders. I have been subpoena to testify before a federal grand jury August 1, 2008 in Washington, D.C.

It is hard to know where to begin with this piece of work, but let us start with the obvious:

1. FBI Investigation into Domestic Bioterrorism Attacks Is Open to Duley?

How does Duley know that Ivins "will be charged with 5 capital murders?" She has yet to testify to the grand jury, which means the grand jury has yet to indict him. And why on earth would the FBI investigators read Duley into the case details?

2. Death Threats, Terra Threats, and "theripist" threats, oh my?

The complaint alleges that on July 9th Duley got threats of a homicidal nature, see here. Now, I don't know about you, but I would not wait roughly three weeks to report homicidal threats from a bio-weapons expert, nor would I wait that long to report threats that were made only against me. I have had some personal experience with stalkers. You don't wait when you are frightened like she claims to be. If you are that frightened, you go straight away to the police. She says that on July 10, Ivins is committed to Shepard Pratt psychiatric facility. I have yet to read any account of anyone validating this. But let us assume that he was, Duley alleges that he signed himself out on July 16th, after Ivins went to have a commitment hearing.

Again, if a bio-weapons expert is making homicidal threats and is committed, he does not get to check himself out and if he actually attended a commitment hearing and was granted release, then clearly someone at Shepard Pratt that that Ivins was stable. But in any case, he is out on July 16th, so why is she still not filing a restraining order against him? Why does she wait until July 24th?

In addition to this series of strange claims by Duley, the most obvious issue here is if Ivins had a history "dating back to his graduate days" - so some 30 years ago - of homicidal threats and plans (whatever the hell that means), how was he able to gain access and security clearences to work with Anthrax?

And just what kind of therapist cannot spell the term of her own profession, spelling it "theripist?" She got subpoena right, which is far more difficult to spell (although the tense is wrong) and yet a term that is used on a daily basis in the field that she actually works in she could not get right?

3. Dr. David S. Irwin, come on down...

According to Duley, Ivins was described by a psychiatrist as "homicidal, socipathic with clear intentions" although she does not specify what the intentions are. Again, I have to ask what kind of psychiatrist a). makes these statements to some twit fresh out of school in violation of HIPPA laws, but b). does not file a police report given who the patient is, and c). does nothing to notify Ft. Detrick?

Okay, now with these basics in hand, let's examine Ms. Duley;

1. According to her boyfriend of 7 years, she is in an undisclosed location because she wants privacy. Okay, then why is her boyfriend Mike giving statements to the press?

Mike McFadden, spoke to The Frederick News-Post on Saturday from their home in Williamsport and provided a statement on her behalf.

"Jean is currently at an undisclosed location," McFadden said.

2. Duley's boyfriend says she was "reluctant to become involved in the FBI investigation" and then turns around and says "Jean is the kind of person who believes her life is insignificant in comparison with the kind of damage Dr. Ivins is capable of...She sacrificed all this stuff because she wanted to do the right thing. She'll soon reveal what many wouldn't because they didn't want to be involved with it." Which is it, was she reluctant or willing to sacrifice everything because she felt her life was insignificant?

And what is with this cryptic statement: "she'll soon reveal what many wouldn't because they didn't want to be involved with it."

She will soon reveal? Um, this is a terrorism case, it is not for her to reveal anything, rather, it is for the FBI/DOJ to reveal information. And if she had something to reveal, why does she simply not reveal it?
She wants privacy, but dangles this little morsel over the heads of hungry journos?

3. What kind of therapist was Ms. Duley? Well, as of 07/08 she had made the Dean's list of a small and extremely expensive liberal arts college called Hood College, / which costs $24k p/y to attend. So I am not entirely clear what degree she was going for or how she was able to pay for it on a social worker's salary. Also interesting is that in 1999 she had gotten a Chapter 7 Discharge, which again makes one wonder how she was able to pay for tuition.

Record 1:

Civil Record Verification: Confirm Case # 9920549 at the Court House

Defendant: DULEY, JEAN Case Number: 9920549

Filing Type:_____ CHAPTER 7 DISCHARGED_____ Entity Type:_____ INDIVIDUAL RECORD
Filing Date:_____ 19990907___________________Address: 343C FIELDPOINTE BV 103
City:_____FREDERICK State:____ MD Zip:___ 21701 Schedule 341 Date:__ 19991008

Attorney:__ STEVEN COHEN___Attorney Phone: 3019899000
Attorney Address:__________SPENCERVILLE CT Attorney City: BURTONSVILLE
Attorney State:____________MD Attorney Zip: 20866

Assets Available:_________ N Court Code: MD002

Court Name:_______________ GREENBELT Judge Initials: DWK

Unlawful Detainer:________ N

4. If you go back to the statement by her boyfriend above and read the full article, he also says of Duley "She had to quit her job and is now unable to work, and we have spent our savings on attorneys."

Okay, I give up. Why did this woman have to spend all her money on attorneys? She clearly filed the restraining order herself. So how is it that she incurred any attorney fees? Unless, of course, her boyfriend means that she incurred attorney fees for her DUI jury trial in 06 and ongoing fees relating to her probation? Why did Ms. Duley lose her job? Is it because as a "therapist" working with drug addiction cases, she was found driving under the influence?

I don't know what to make out of all of this. Is this woman jumping on the bandwagon hoping to pen a book deal or something? Is she simply lying? Is she telling the truth about Ivins? Is she as nutty as she claims him to be? I don't know. What I think, however, is that if this witness was dragged into a court in which I was the defense attorney, her credibility would quickly be shot down. Somehow, I think, we will soon see a Fox Noise exclusive interview with this woman and her boyfriend who will "reveal" what it is that they know. At this point, I am not buying this story and I am not sure why the media has jumped on her claims as though they were gospel.


Printed with permission from Larisa

larisa, as usual, YOU are amazing-we all knew that there was a pile of crap here, just waiting to be "sniffed" out. As usual, you have NOT let us down, thanks kpete
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  -"Whole Load Of Crap"-Larisa Alexandrovna Has Low Down On "Therapist" To The Anthrax Suspect kpete  Aug-04-08 08:48 AM   #0 
  - Drug and Alcohol "theripist" (sic) with several recent DUIs...  Junkdrawer   Aug-04-08 08:51 AM   #1 
  - How could she know he was gonna be charged before the grand jury  Heidi   Aug-04-08 08:58 AM   #2 
  - Apparently all of his neighbors knew that he was being watched.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-04-08 09:40 AM   #12 
  - Just curios; By what stretch would she have access to or know any of his neighbors. nt  ooglymoogly   Aug-04-08 09:01 PM   #98 
  - It sounds like somebody told her that the grand jury would indict him....interesting.  yardwork   Aug-04-08 10:57 AM   #27 
     - Her "source" may have been FBI agents who interviewed her.  leveymg   Aug-04-08 01:33 PM   #50 
        - Exactly. Just as they probably told her that their doctors had  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 01:44 PM   #53 
           - Yup. The only question is, why are they moving this case now? Leahy?  leveymg   Aug-04-08 01:54 PM   #56 
              - Well, if what you want is to slow down Democrats  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 02:02 PM   #58 
                 - It doesn't make sense for BushCo to stir up this shitstorm, now.  leveymg   Aug-04-08 02:12 PM   #61 
                    - FBI removed contents of Ivins' lab freezer in June.  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 02:40 PM   #64 
                    - Should combine timelines for Hatfill, Ivins, Kelly others who worked on US-UK "Iraq WMD" projects  leveymg   Aug-04-08 03:13 PM   #70 
                       - We might check Paul Thompson's History Commons.  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 03:23 PM   #72 
                       - Please post what you find.  leveymg   Aug-04-08 03:38 PM   #75 
                       - This is the first I've seen of Ivins being involved with the CIA....  AntiFascist   Aug-04-08 04:57 PM   #83 
                       - Correction:  leveymg   Aug-05-08 07:22 AM   #116 
                    - The statement , "It' doesn't make sense" is all you have to  MadMaddie   Aug-04-08 07:07 PM   #94 
                    - The FBI has been dragging its feet on this case because...  AntiFascist   Aug-05-08 04:49 AM   #115 
  - Yous guys really oughta get paid for this  libnnc   Aug-04-08 09:01 AM   #3 
  - clearly, she is a useful idiot, being used  TexasObserver   Aug-04-08 09:02 AM   #4 
  - This whole thing is beginning to smell worse and worse  SpiralHawk   Aug-04-08 09:04 AM   #5 
  - Thank you Larisa for being a real journalist  Rosie1223   Aug-04-08 09:05 AM   #6 
  - Wouldn't you love to see Larisa get the Pulitzer for her excellent investigative journalism,  tblue37   Aug-04-08 12:03 PM   #39 
     - Totally amazing work - rather than a Pulitzer, I'd like to see some heads roll...  file83   Aug-05-08 01:25 AM   #113 
  - What a witness.  screembloodymurder   Aug-04-08 09:08 AM   #7 
  - based on her 'testimony' -- might she deserve 'witness protection' so there is no follow-up now that  Supersedeas   Aug-04-08 01:02 PM   #47 
  - Yeah, I'd say in the Maryland mountains...  liam_laddie   Aug-04-08 01:57 PM   #57 
  - If the threats she claimed Ivins made in a group therapy session  suffragette   Aug-04-08 09:15 AM   #8 
  - It's real easy to remember how to spell it. The Rapist = therapist.  Wizard777   Aug-04-08 09:15 AM   #9 
  - Duley is a social worker who simply organized and conducted  fasttense   Aug-04-08 09:26 AM   #10 
  - Again, I cant wait to see the movie!  sheeptramp   Aug-04-08 10:19 AM   #17 
  - Someone who is so easily manipulated probably shouldn't be runnin  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 11:29 AM   #33 
  - I really think we need to close this case quickly. Like, NOW!  BushDespiser12   Aug-04-08 09:26 AM   #11 
  - Larisa's at-largely article prior to this one mentioned locations  EVDebs   Aug-04-08 09:52 AM   #13 
  - Does KO know about this?  GreenPartyVoter   Aug-04-08 09:56 AM   #14 
  - In the words of Dr. Thompson: "Strange tales from strange times."  DemoTex   Aug-04-08 10:06 AM   #15 
  - Deffinitely requires another K&R n/t  JohnyCanuck   Aug-04-08 10:08 AM   #16 
  - Did you see this post?  itsjustme   Aug-04-08 10:24 AM   #18 
  - "They offered his son $2.5 M and a sportscar if he would "rat" on his father."  sheeptramp   Aug-04-08 10:35 AM   #21 
  - Exactly  itsjustme   Aug-04-08 10:38 AM   #22 
     - Gerry Higgins..  undergroundpanther   Aug-05-08 01:01 AM   #110 
  - I found a Gerry Higgins in Silver Spring Maryland  itsjustme   Aug-04-08 10:57 AM   #26 
  - Imagine what the FBI promised the "estranged" brother --- !!!  defendandprotect   Aug-04-08 02:37 PM   #63 
  - Is that real?  SpookyCat   Aug-04-08 03:10 PM   #69 
  - Sickening, isn't it? Deliberate mental torture.  Raksha   Aug-04-08 04:49 PM   #80 
     - Remember Gonzales tracked down Ashcroft in his hospital bed---!!!  defendandprotect   Aug-05-08 01:59 PM   #120 
  - Do you have a link to the Gerry Higgins post?  Kaleko   Aug-04-08 08:30 PM   #96 
  - is she a licensed theripist (sic)? i don't think they teach that  ellenfl   Aug-04-08 10:27 AM   #19 
  - No, she's not. She earned a certificate to do drug counseling. n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 10:40 AM   #23 
  - Since many states privatized mental health care, almost anyone can earn such certificates.  yardwork   Aug-04-08 11:03 AM   #28 
     - I was surprised at how easy it is to get one here. n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 11:27 AM   #30 
        - Yes. This woman is no expert. She sounds unstable.  yardwork   Aug-04-08 11:29 AM   #32 
           - It's freaky to me that no one questioned her allegations.  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 11:30 AM   #34 
           - I wouldn't have expected the press to question her allegations!  yardwork   Aug-04-08 01:41 PM   #52 
              - But, the judge didn't either at that hearing!  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 01:46 PM   #54 
                 - Good point.  yardwork   Aug-04-08 01:51 PM   #55 
           - I have known quite a few  undergroundpanther   Aug-05-08 01:16 AM   #112 
  - Thereipey, Fineanchill advizsing, counsilling  panzerfaust   Aug-04-08 06:36 PM   #92 
  - Enemy Combatant  Bjarne Riis   Aug-04-08 10:28 AM   #20 
  - Nah, they only do that to "brown" people  VWolf   Aug-04-08 02:11 PM   #60 
  - The stakes are too high here  Wednesdays   Aug-04-08 02:48 PM   #65 
  - Wow! We need to keep this kicked. K & R n/t  chill_wind   Aug-04-08 10:42 AM   #24 
  - Anthrax suspects colleague blames FBI for suicide  sattahipdeep   Aug-04-08 10:47 AM   #25 
  - Were $$ offered to his kid?  itsjustme   Aug-04-08 11:08 AM   #29 
  - Get this....  sattahipdeep   Aug-04-08 11:27 AM   #31 
     - Public computers that anyone could use?  MetaTrope   Aug-04-08 11:36 AM   #35 
        - Whos button did Ivins push. bubonic plague?  sattahipdeep   Aug-04-08 12:26 PM   #42 
  - Re the MSNBC article  defendandprotect   Aug-04-08 02:48 PM   #66 
  - Very courageous of Byrnes to speak out --- I'm sure they all feel threatened . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-04-08 02:56 PM   #67 
  - Keep digging.  cat_girl25   Aug-04-08 11:40 AM   #36 
  - Someone should send this thread to Kieth Olbermann!  B Calm   Aug-04-08 11:44 AM   #37 
  - The "NUT" Here Clearly IS NOT Ivins... But DULEY!  DaLittle Kitty   Aug-04-08 11:49 AM   #38 
  - K&R n/t  Dogtown   Aug-04-08 12:12 PM   #40 
  - it is a whole load of crap....bush/cheney are the perps  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-04-08 12:12 PM   #41 
  - Yum. This is like eating cotton candy in my brain.  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-04-08 12:40 PM   #43 
  - k&r Did you see the hand writing on the restraining order request  FraDon   Aug-04-08 12:42 PM   #44 
  - Irreconcilable differences.  leveymg   Aug-04-08 01:37 PM   #51 
  - maybe she was in a similar state of mind when she allegedly attacked her husband  Supersedeas   Aug-04-08 09:19 PM   #101 
  - IMHO, this is a really amateurish cover-up  caseymoz   Aug-04-08 12:51 PM   #45 
  - Newspapers are going because no one is reading them -- TV is next . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Aug-04-08 03:00 PM   #68 
  - K&R There are way too many "suicides" connected to  Jesuswasntafascist   Aug-04-08 12:55 PM   #46 
  - Wow.  redqueen   Aug-04-08 01:10 PM   #48 
  - Anybody else notice what she put down as her "race"?  LiberalHeart   Aug-04-08 01:32 PM   #49 
  - Here's her photo, a typical "white asiatic indian arab" person. Sure.  Julius Civitatus   Aug-04-08 03:17 PM   #71 
  - au contraire  panzerfaust   Aug-04-08 06:30 PM   #91 
  - BSW?  ekwhite   Aug-04-08 11:34 PM   #106 
  - sounds like she was trying to push all kinds of buttons  Supersedeas   Aug-04-08 03:32 PM   #74 
  - This is a white-hot investigation by Larisa! Go lady GO!  Poll_Blind   Aug-04-08 02:11 PM   #59 
  - Grand jury testimony from August 1? What grand jury?  robertpaulsen   Aug-04-08 02:16 PM   #62 
  - Thoughts - she's incompetent and ripe for manipulation - the perfect patsy.  tinrobot   Aug-04-08 03:28 PM   #73 
  - I don't think she's in hiding from the press.  Raksha   Aug-04-08 04:55 PM   #82 
  - nice job Larisa, kpete, smoking gun, etc.  orleans   Aug-04-08 03:53 PM   #76 
  - Easy money bet: a close family member or friend of hers is with The Company.  sofa king   Aug-04-08 04:01 PM   #77 
  - Do you think so? She just sounds young and easy and stupid.n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-04-08 05:32 PM   #87 
  - I have been subpoena to testify  Rex   Aug-04-08 04:07 PM   #78 
  - May she's been ...  Everybody   Aug-04-08 04:13 PM   #79 
  - Either that or she's afraid of being disappeared.  Raksha   Aug-04-08 05:02 PM   #84 
     - She's the weak link now  MetaTrope   Aug-04-08 11:37 PM   #107 
  - The brother's interview  PATRICK   Aug-04-08 04:50 PM   #81 
  - Of course Daschle isn't buying it. If this is a cover-up,  Raksha   Aug-04-08 05:31 PM   #86 
  - The brother's interview  MetaTrope   Aug-05-08 11:34 AM   #119 
  - K&R, Duley is clearly being propped up and supported to feed the media...  AntiFascist   Aug-04-08 05:03 PM   #85 
  - they want to close the case - sounds like crap to me - lot more behind this but  28erl   Aug-04-08 06:18 PM   #88 
  - As a doctor ...  panzerfaust   Aug-04-08 06:20 PM   #89 
  - Heard her statement on CNN yesterday and wondered  Imalittleteapot   Aug-04-08 06:29 PM   #90 
  - Maybe the author of the note is actually in the legal profession?  Uncle Joe   Aug-04-08 07:01 PM   #93 
  - A crock of crapola to cover Ivins being "suicided".  BrklynLiberal   Aug-04-08 08:25 PM   #95 
  - Regarding the Therapists Spellings......  gutterpunk   Aug-04-08 08:52 PM   #97 
  - Why did she lose her job and HOW THE HELL is she "paying for attorneys"?  sicksicksick_N_tired   Aug-04-08 09:01 PM   #99 
  - She's had three DUIs in the last several years. Maybe  sfexpat2000   Aug-05-08 01:09 AM   #111 
  - Do we have any testimonials about Ivins other than this woman and the  ooglymoogly   Aug-04-08 09:09 PM   #100 
  - read the "progress" of this  azurnoir   Aug-04-08 10:12 PM   #102 
  - Irwin was committed to the psych ward because he was  Ima Misfit   Aug-04-08 10:20 PM   #103 
  - Sheppard pratt??!! OMG that explains alot.  undergroundpanther   Aug-04-08 11:05 PM   #104 
  - If I was a conspiracy theorist  ekwhite   Aug-04-08 11:14 PM   #105 
  - "the anthrax attacks right after 9/11 were mighty convenient"  JohnyCanuck   Aug-05-08 03:00 PM   #123 
  - This occurred after 9-11, "they" closed the books on that and the only thing remaining was  Imagevision   Aug-04-08 11:43 PM   #108 
  - WSJ article: "Bruce Ivins Wasn't the Anthrax Culprit"  Julius Civitatus   Aug-04-08 11:53 PM   #109 
  - This needs tobe an original post. nt  ooglymoogly   Aug-05-08 02:41 PM   #121 
  - kr  Progs Rock   Aug-05-08 02:44 AM   #114 
  - What Ever Happened To Patient/Client Priviledge?  DallasNE   Aug-05-08 07:47 AM   #117 
  - I thought this woman's story sounded WAY too convenient from Day 1.  Brotherjohn   Aug-05-08 08:01 AM   #118 
  - You have done it again Kpete  zeemike   Aug-05-08 02:48 PM   #122 
  - Jean C. Duley is going to end up...  nikto   Aug-05-08 11:34 PM   #124 

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