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Sun Aug-03-08 02:48 PM
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| 17. Most revealing is spelling "theripist" (sic) |
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I have a friend who does such court-ordered "counseling" for a living. I also have a friend who's a PhD psychotherapist. Believe me, the distinction couldn't be broader.
Duley is apparently part of the cottage industry of "counselors" who've sprung up in the "War on Drugs" and the "zero tolerance" for DWI/DUI. The courts are pumping out thousands upon thousands of new "customers" (mandated counseling) for these cottage industry "theripists" annually. With (less than) two years of classes at a local community college (or associate's degree factory) and the right paperwork, folks can set themselves up in business with an almost guaranteed flow of revenue. A storefront office with a counseling room - a dozen folding chairs will do nicely - and not much investment at all, and the court-ordered "customers" start flowing in.
There is no "doctor-patient confidentiality" since there's no doctor. Standard 'privacy' laws prevail ... and that's NOTHING in a group session.
There are some real hacks in that cottage industry... people with over-inflated egos and pretensions that're over the event horizon from their skills and abilities. Indeed, the resentment and hostility towards folks with full college degrees and advanced degrees runs rampant with some of these folks. It's a snake pit of neuroses.
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| -So the guy threatening her is dead but now she's hiding out. |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 01:09 PM |
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Good point. |
cat_girl25 |
Aug-03-08 01:13 PM |
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Right. This one's strange. Too many ?s out of the gate. |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 01:15 PM |
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Maybe she is the one with the psych problem. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-03-08 01:26 PM |
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I can't talk about it but that's one hell of an interesting angle. |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 01:32 PM |
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Ahoy! Love the Jolly Roger, shipmate! I'd assumed she was scared of the |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-03-08 02:26 PM |
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She's the vehicle to tag Ivins as "crazy" |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 03:34 PM |
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Ahoy, there, Capting! You put it in a nutshell, by the sound of it. It's all gone pear-shaped on |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-03-08 04:13 PM |
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What dates were your ancestors doing this "roving" about |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 11:09 PM |
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Philip Wynter, owner of the privateer "Industrie" of Jersey lived between |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-04-08 05:43 PM |
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Here's an excerpt from the famous Lloyds marine insurance form, which |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-05-08 06:21 AM |
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Avast there, Capting! Hoist the mains'l. I've just bought the book, and I'm intrigued by that |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-05-08 09:57 AM |
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"Smirk. Sneer. Smirk." - Da Rover (R) |
SpiralHawk |
Aug-04-08 01:08 PM |
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Agree --- |
defendandprotect |
Aug-03-08 10:36 PM |
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Ivin's letters to the editor |
Marie26 |
Aug-04-08 11:07 AM |
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Maybe she's paranoid because she tried to tell the authorities earlier, |
The Backlash Cometh |
Aug-03-08 03:51 PM |
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It may be more simple than that. It may be that someone |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 01:42 PM |
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according to Gerald Posner on Olbermann tonight, she had a drug problem as late as '07, yet |
wordpix |
Aug-04-08 08:09 PM |
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This is the kind of behavior |
SheilaT |
Aug-03-08 01:40 PM |
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Credibility check: spent her savings on attorneys??? She just filed for a protective order a week |
Supersedeas |
Aug-03-08 01:45 PM |
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Not only that, but she is a social worker. |
TomInTib |
Aug-03-08 01:58 PM |
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She has four years of college and a certificate, no MA in Social Work. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 02:24 PM |
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It isn't even clear how long she's been a social worker |
starroute |
Aug-03-08 04:00 PM |
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Yep. And she isn't a certified Social Worker. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 04:03 PM |
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Bingo |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 03:39 PM |
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See post #52 |
gatorboy |
Aug-03-08 06:30 PM |
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"the kind of damage Dr. Ivins is capable of." So, she had first hand knowledge of the kind of damage |
Supersedeas |
Aug-03-08 01:54 PM |
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Or, maybe, she's hiding out from the "Enquiring minds want to know" press. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Aug-03-08 01:58 PM |
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Too wierd to be believable. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-03-08 01:59 PM |
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Maybe FBI profilers/shrinks told her that. n/t |
LiberalHeart |
Aug-03-08 02:05 PM |
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Her handwriting on that order of restraint was enough to make anyone |
KoKo01 |
Aug-03-08 02:08 PM |
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Most revealing is spelling "theripist" (sic) |
TahitiNut |
Aug-03-08 02:48 PM |
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Do you have a link to the handwriting people are referring to on either this |
lonestarnot |
Aug-03-08 02:56 PM |
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Here's the link to my post showing photos of Duley's petition: |
Kaleko |
Aug-03-08 04:01 PM |
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Thanks Kaleco. |
lonestarnot |
Aug-03-08 08:47 PM |
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Apparently she is a Judge too -- as she has the sociopath/homocidal foundation IN EVIDENCE |
Supersedeas |
Aug-03-08 02:08 PM |
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no she's not a judge, she's a counselor and Ivins was in group sessions |
wordpix |
Aug-04-08 08:07 PM |
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Isn't that another video tape diagnosis like the cat killer's? |
lonestarnot |
Aug-03-08 02:54 PM |
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If it's true he was diagnosed as a socipathic homicidal killer |
magellan |
Aug-03-08 03:05 PM |
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This is the elephant in the corner |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 03:51 PM |
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Who are those "top" shrinks and where are they? |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 04:52 PM |
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Probably FBI, but no they're not named |
magellan |
Aug-03-08 05:01 PM |
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Ivins can't have been DX'd by an FBI shrink |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 05:02 PM |
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Sorry |
magellan |
Aug-03-08 05:19 PM |
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Sorry. No FBI personnel treated Ivins. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 05:22 PM |
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Thanks |
magellan |
Aug-03-08 05:36 PM |
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I have a real problem with him being described that way |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 05:40 PM |
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I almost said as much |
magellan |
Aug-03-08 05:53 PM |
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Our press sure isn't, is it? |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 05:56 PM |
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good question and an important timeline from Gerald Posner on Olbernann tonight: |
wordpix |
Aug-04-08 08:06 PM |
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Thank you for that |
magellan |
Aug-05-08 12:31 AM |
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the Bush hand that does not know what the other Bush hand is doing |
Supersedeas |
Aug-05-08 01:48 PM |
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ThatiNut, here are her creds - entry level therapist |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 03:41 PM |
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Yup... saw that after my post above. (I have a friend doing that.) |
TahitiNut |
Aug-03-08 04:33 PM |
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And no one at that hearing asked her to clarify anything. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 04:35 PM |
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It's REALLY fishy. Far too many unanswered questions and bizarre claims. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-03-08 04:41 PM |
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I can understand if the court and her attorney settled beforehand |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 04:47 PM |
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Or a gullible stooge with a script. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 03:44 PM |
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Laying low while the case is closed...probably on the advice of the FBI... |
Junkdrawer |
Aug-03-08 02:57 PM |
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Hammer meet nail |
suffragette |
Aug-03-08 03:17 PM |
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Her entire story is crap and makes absolutely no sense. I have worked with |
pdxmom |
Aug-03-08 02:58 PM |
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None of those questions were asked in that hearing. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 03:43 PM |
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She does seem a bit unstable and that is why her upcoming suicide will be credible |
mitchum |
Aug-03-08 03:27 PM |
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Doncha think Mukasey's star witness is in safe-keeping, complete with all the Manchurian |
Supersedeas |
Aug-03-08 05:27 PM |
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"Jean is currently at an undisclosed location" |
MilesColtrane |
Aug-03-08 04:38 PM |
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autorank, you need to find out who hospitalized Ivins. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 05:20 PM |
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Good point. And the MD's affiliations. |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 08:51 PM |
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God like was a comment by one of his relatives who hasn't seen him |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 09:53 PM |
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Ivins also has a brother who he's "estranged" from for decades . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-03-08 10:47 PM |
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Really. Isn't that something. |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 10:54 PM |
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You know what's weirdest to me? How many 62 year olds |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 11:03 PM |
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I heard the estranged brother interviewed on NPR |
kwassa |
Aug-05-08 10:13 AM |
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I think I heard on the audio that since Ivins went voluntary |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 10:11 PM |
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Dr. Irwin? |
Marie26 |
Aug-03-08 09:34 PM |
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Do you remember where you read that, Marie26? |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 10:26 PM |
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It was in Duley's petition |
Marie26 |
Aug-03-08 10:32 PM |
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"Dr. Irwin completed his residencies at Army facilities & might be associated w/Ft. Detrick |
defendandprotect |
Aug-03-08 10:51 PM |
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Thank you! I wonder if there's a way to find out if a doc |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 11:10 PM |
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Not sure |
Marie26 |
Aug-04-08 11:27 AM |
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I wonder if he is. Duley said that Ivins was diagnosed by |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-04-08 11:56 AM |
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Looks like it! |
Marie26 |
Aug-05-08 01:10 PM |
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Thanks so much |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 10:56 PM |
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I keep thinking of the very deep fund of shrinks and psychologists |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-03-08 11:05 PM |
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There's the good APA-psychiatrists and the not good APA-psychologists |
autorank |
Aug-04-08 04:06 AM |
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The convention was here. And one of the most vigorous |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-04-08 10:02 AM |
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Haven't come upon that info . . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-03-08 10:46 PM |
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Quit her job? Must not have been that long ago. She gave an interview around june 29 it seems. |
gatorboy |
Aug-03-08 05:59 PM |
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Maybe to creat distance from her supervisor (a psychiatrist, probably) or the |
autorank |
Aug-03-08 08:43 PM |
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this whole story has the smell of manure |
spanone |
Aug-03-08 06:15 PM |
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She sacrificed? |
screembloodymurder |
Aug-03-08 06:18 PM |
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and yet the GoP Controlled Media paints a picture of a cut and dry case--waiting for dry Mukasey |
Supersedeas |
Aug-03-08 09:46 PM |
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Makes no sense, doesn't it |
suffragette |
Aug-03-08 10:25 PM |
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Maybe |
Marie26 |
Aug-03-08 10:38 PM |
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The point is they can say anything now because he's dead . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-03-08 10:56 PM |
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True |
Marie26 |
Aug-04-08 08:00 AM |
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Ivins signed himself into the hospital -- |
defendandprotect |
Aug-04-08 12:36 PM |
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There's no way to know for sure |
Marie26 |
Aug-04-08 05:26 PM |
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It was mentioned in the audio of Duley's hearing. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-04-08 05:46 PM |
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On attorney's advice. |
Marie26 |
Aug-05-08 01:22 PM |
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There is probably a schedule mandated by law |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-05-08 01:40 PM |
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The brother is the one that sounds like he was the problem. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-04-08 01:00 PM |
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One wonders if the brother took the FBI up on the offer they'd made to Ivins' kids |
MetaTrope |
Aug-05-08 01:27 PM |
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It's strange |
Marie26 |
Aug-05-08 01:30 PM |
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Maybe he did but, it sure isn't for any of the reasons that we've been told. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-05-08 03:23 PM |
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dupe.nt |
Marie26 |
Aug-05-08 01:30 PM |
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Huh. |
AzDar |
Aug-03-08 10:53 PM |
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Glen Greenwald confirms Duley has had 3 DUI convictions |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-04-08 10:34 AM |
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"at an undisclosed location" and 3 DUI convictions? |
MilesColtrane |
Aug-04-08 12:54 PM |
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Curiouser and curiouser... |
MadrasT |
Aug-04-08 01:54 PM |
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Maybe she's hanging out with Amanda Keller, the girlfriend of that hijacker on 9-11 |
EVDebs |
Aug-05-08 01:02 PM |
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wonder if we will ever learn the name of the attorneys who took her money |
Supersedeas |
Aug-05-08 05:59 PM |
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she helped with the 1st suicide op, now she's trying to avoid being #2 |
NightWatcher |
Aug-05-08 06:01 PM |
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'This is different:' Son of scientist who died in 1953 compares cases then and now |
HillbillyBob |
Aug-06-08 12:38 PM |
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'This is different:' Son of scientist who died in 1953 compares cases then and now |
HillbillyBob |
Aug-06-08 12:42 PM |
#113 |