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109. The lack of autopsy, if true, is unbelievable.
That's the most suspicious thing of all, to me. I could almost dismiss the enormous convenience of the whole thing (perfect timing, perfect wrap-up) but not the lack of autopsy.
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  -My two cents on the Anthrax Suicide from a former spook NightWatcher  Aug-02-08 12:05 PM   #0 
  - Recommending. n/t  stubtoe   Aug-02-08 12:09 PM   #1 
  - you can bet the Corp Media will stay very far from any follow-up questions (Mukasey will demand it)  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 12:10 PM   #2 
  - Simple self-preservation will also demand it, I should think. n/t  tblue37   Aug-02-08 02:56 PM   #43 
  - Like I said, anyone  Enthusiast   Aug-03-08 12:39 AM   #147 
  - This whole deal smells funny.  navarth   Aug-02-08 12:10 PM   #3 
  - kind of like David Kelly n/t  48percenter   Aug-02-08 12:12 PM   #5 
     - Dr. Kelley has been going over and over in my mind.  Gregorian   Aug-02-08 07:35 PM   #102 
        - Scary, isn't it.  48percenter   Aug-03-08 01:22 AM   #149 
  - Worthy of a Pacino film (think of his "Insider" role on the whistleblower  monmouth   Aug-02-08 12:10 PM   #4 
  - Actually, the movie that comes to mind for me is  cadaverdog   Aug-02-08 06:14 PM   #81 
     - Excellent film  chatnoir   Aug-02-08 11:11 PM   #134 
  - This only goes away if we let it.  sellitman   Aug-02-08 12:12 PM   #6 
  - The media seems to have closed the book on him.  donco6   Aug-02-08 12:13 PM   #7 
  - not only that  itsjustme   Aug-02-08 12:15 PM   #8 
  - Proud to give rec #5  MorningGlow   Aug-02-08 12:15 PM   #9 
  - Suspicious Factors  rwenos   Aug-02-08 12:19 PM   #10 
  - iI thought they said it was an OD of Tylenol and something else...  willing dwarf   Aug-02-08 12:30 PM   #14 
  - Codeine, But In Any Other OD An Autopsy Would Be Performed  lligrd   Aug-02-08 12:37 PM   #16 
  - Timing, Proximity, Secrecy, Political Targets, Motives & Initial Propoganda  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 05:43 PM   #76 
  - ...  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 05:48 PM   #79 
  - BINGO, CITIZEN  YEBBA   Aug-02-08 08:52 PM   #116 
  - Tidied up and closed permanently before Bush/Cheney exit.  tabatha   Aug-02-08 12:20 PM   #11 
  - Along with a lot of other evidence. They are covering up everything.  jwirr   Aug-02-08 03:58 PM   #48 
  - BINGO, CITIZEN  YEBBA   Aug-02-08 08:53 PM   #117 
  - Put options were closed fast. I remember the laid back curt absolution from Ashcroft.  higher class   Aug-02-08 10:18 PM   #125 
  - Yes. It is very CONVENIENT that this case is being closed up  mmonk   Aug-03-08 09:30 AM   #167 
  - I concur  formercia   Aug-02-08 12:22 PM   #12 
  - i'd love to hear your story  barbtries   Aug-03-08 08:43 AM   #161 
     - Here's one from my journal  formercia   Aug-03-08 09:09 AM   #164 
  - I wonder  KoKo01   Aug-02-08 12:27 PM   #13 
  - Thanks for your comments . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-08 12:33 PM   #15 
  - all that came up after he was targeted  itsjustme   Aug-02-08 12:42 PM   #20 
  - I didn't include it, but . . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-08 12:57 PM   #21 
  - other mind altering drugs -- apparently his 'therapist' is a drug counselor  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 05:45 PM   #77 
     - ... sadly we've seen medical professionals working with the CIA, etc. . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-08 09:01 PM   #119 
  - "Client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats,...'  NCevilDUer   Aug-02-08 02:58 PM   #45 
  - where are the witnesses to decades of this behavior? other than this one  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 04:43 PM   #57 
  - Google Jean C Duley - the only hits I could get were mentions in THIS story  csziggy   Aug-02-08 08:46 PM   #114 
     - that is interesting  barbtries   Aug-03-08 08:46 AM   #162 
  - Yep. They have their  Jesuswasntafascist   Aug-02-08 12:38 PM   #17 
  - Yep, If They Could Have Gotten Hatfield To Suicide Himself  lligrd   Aug-02-08 12:41 PM   #18 
  - Thank you.  yardwork   Aug-02-08 12:42 PM   #19 
  - The really sad thing is that there is no investigative reporting...  AntiFascist   Aug-02-08 01:10 PM   #26 
     - The corporate-owned media, you mean.  yardwork   Aug-02-08 02:44 PM   #41 
     - just heard a good NPR report - Ivin's colleagues are NOT buying it  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 04:22 PM   #52 
     - Very interesting !  AntiFascist   Aug-03-08 12:26 PM   #174 
     - our local rag has the AP piece that quotes a victim declaring the suicide as prove of guilt  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 08:34 PM   #111 
  - Recommended -- n/t  Mme. Defarge   Aug-02-08 12:58 PM   #22 
  - Such a well-written OP, I was looking for a "link" to read more.  8_year_nightmare   Aug-02-08 01:00 PM   #23 
  - you have nailed it... so many really, really convenient suicides....lucky Adminitration, eh?  sojourner   Aug-02-08 04:32 PM   #54 
  - Bush and Cheney are the luckiest SOB's that ever lived..  Virginia Dare   Aug-02-08 06:24 PM   #86 
  - naming him as the  benddem   Aug-02-08 01:04 PM   #24 
  - It took Hatfil years to set the record straight.  sfexpat2000   Aug-02-08 01:06 PM   #25 
  - Seems to me like Hatfill didn't play according to plan and cave. nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 04:44 PM   #58 
     - so they found another target that would crumble--in time to close the case  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 08:10 PM   #106 
  - k*r EXCELLENT  autorank   Aug-02-08 01:31 PM   #27 
  - Just heard an NPR report about them interrogating family  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 04:45 PM   #60 
     - A message, not lost on those watching, perhaps.  autorank   Aug-02-08 07:52 PM   #103 
  - Why was a known "homicidal sociopath" allowed to keep his Security Clearance in a military lab?  Kaleko   Aug-02-08 01:43 PM   #28 
  - Who is the Einstein that wrote the notes at the bottom? I think  yy4me   Aug-02-08 02:12 PM   #33 
  - Look at the clean elegance of Duley's signature  Kaleko   Aug-02-08 02:37 PM   #40 
     - and McRove went straight to Letterman declaring Iraq the source, and phase II  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 08:37 PM   #113 
     - Don't be silly--why if anyone tried a conspiracy like this, everyone would know about it!  librechik   Aug-04-08 01:38 PM   #185 
  - Because he wasn't a sociopath or homicidal - it's all part of operation.  file83   Aug-02-08 02:14 PM   #34 
  - Good points. Note that Duley calls Dr. Ivins a "client", though.  Kaleko   Aug-02-08 02:44 PM   #42 
  - She worked for his employer.  screembloodymurder   Aug-02-08 04:49 PM   #62 
  - Exactly.  MorningGlow   Aug-02-08 02:58 PM   #44 
  - ok, that's one of my questions - Duley wasn't his therapist, right?  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 04:41 PM   #56 
     - According to this article on Huffpo, Duley was a social worker.  Kaleko   Aug-02-08 05:30 PM   #72 
  - That hand written statement at the bottom is weird.  Jazzgirl   Aug-02-08 02:28 PM   #39 
  - It's also neither signed nor dated.  gatorboy   Aug-02-08 04:20 PM   #50 
  - Well, perhaps we are supposed to assume that it was written on the back  file83   Aug-02-08 05:42 PM   #75 
  - Duley's petition shows dates.  Kaleko   Aug-02-08 07:06 PM   #96 
     - Correction: Duley's petition is dated July 21, 2008  Kaleko   Aug-03-08 12:44 PM   #176 
  - I do not mean to disparage drug therapists, however, I know  JDPriestly   Aug-02-08 06:42 PM   #92 
  - Does this look like the printing on the anthrax letters or not?  JDPriestly   Aug-02-08 06:40 PM   #90 
  - Not sure that even an accredited graphologist could tell from these samples.  Kaleko   Aug-02-08 07:11 PM   #97 
  - A-way back when  RedLetterRev   Aug-03-08 09:23 AM   #165 
  - Your statement makes sense. I expect our government to safeguard such weapons.  JDPriestly   Aug-03-08 12:43 PM   #175 
     - My loyalty to the Constitution is exactly why I am upset  RedLetterRev   Aug-03-08 03:14 PM   #180 
        - I'm with you on this. It's the lies and corruption and the perversion of our Constitution.  JDPriestly   Aug-03-08 03:59 PM   #181 
  - Ok. My rule: "When the actions don't match the words, you've found them out."  jazzjunkysue   Aug-03-08 11:59 AM   #173 
  - I find these kind of Bushite crimes even harder to stomach than their slaughter of  Peace Patriot   Aug-02-08 01:51 PM   #29 
  - excellent post  shireen   Aug-03-08 02:41 AM   #153 
  - Physician who worked with Ivins is pointing to the Justice Dept...  BeHereNow   Aug-02-08 01:58 PM   #30 
  - EXACTLY!!! We can also strike the other conspiracy theory that Irvin did it for $$$...  file83   Aug-02-08 02:22 PM   #36 
  - interesting. nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 04:48 PM   #61 
  - is Mukasey in charge of what the DoJ leaks to the Media?  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 10:35 PM   #127 
     - him or Cheney I guess. Interesting this happens after the oversight hearings too. nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 11:20 PM   #137 
  - suicide!!!????  mamameow   Aug-02-08 02:02 PM   #31 
  - Those who responded . . "saw no signs of suicide" . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-08 05:06 PM   #65 
  - I was also in the business. I collected info.  alfredo   Aug-02-08 02:05 PM   #32 
  - You mean like...  file83   Aug-02-08 02:24 PM   #37 
  - yes  alfredo   Aug-02-08 02:26 PM   #38 
  - They certainly targeted Daschle .. .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-08 05:11 PM   #67 
     - Congress was threatened.  screembloodymurder   Aug-02-08 08:07 PM   #104 
     - Thank you . . . I had no idea he said this . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-08 08:54 PM   #118 
     - And do you remember..........  rucognizant   Aug-02-08 09:42 PM   #120 
     - Limbaugh was calling Daschle "El Diablo" during 2001  Mabus   Aug-03-08 09:29 AM   #166 
  - Have you ever heard of the Narcotics Task Force? They used to do that.  Joanne98   Aug-02-08 02:21 PM   #35 
  - that is truly frightening. nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 04:49 PM   #63 
  - Sick and evil people ---  defendandprotect   Aug-02-08 05:14 PM   #68 
  - wow but not really  grannie4peace   Aug-02-08 03:05 PM   #46 
  - They HAD to wrap this up before they loose control in January  Phred42   Aug-02-08 03:20 PM   #47 
  - As someone who has been around enough operators to know....  Aviation Pro   Aug-02-08 04:14 PM   #49 
  - Do you think we might hear anything pertinent from Hatfield?  JerseygirlCT   Aug-02-08 04:22 PM   #51 
  - I'd be willing to bet  me b zola   Aug-02-08 06:36 PM   #89 
     - omg, that would explain the timing  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 07:23 PM   #99 
        - How does one go about finding out about a legal settlement?  me b zola   Aug-02-08 08:52 PM   #115 
  - About three to six months after the attacks, a female biologist/phd  salin   Aug-02-08 04:25 PM   #53 
  - Barbara Hatch Rosenberg  PATRICK   Aug-02-08 05:46 PM   #78 
     - Is this her report? COMPILATION OF MAILED ANTHRAX EVIDENCE  csziggy   Aug-02-08 10:05 PM   #124 
        - good work - thanks for posting. nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 11:22 PM   #138 
        - Yes and you can  PATRICK   Aug-04-08 05:03 PM   #187 
  - So much for justice in this country  magellan   Aug-02-08 04:38 PM   #55 
  - Just another situation for Cheney & Bush to close the book on...  Imagevision   Aug-02-08 04:45 PM   #59 
  - Just Cheney Tying up the Loose Ends  AnnieBW   Aug-02-08 04:58 PM   #64 
  - You mean McCain is not going to choose Cheney as a running mate? n/t  Virginian   Aug-02-08 08:08 PM   #105 
  - This is a believable explanation of what was done to this man.  Mr_Jefferson_24   Aug-02-08 05:11 PM   #66 
  - I haven't been buying this one...  ImForGore   Aug-02-08 05:17 PM   #69 
  - i see, all the other times things added up? nt  tomp   Aug-02-08 11:44 PM   #145 
  - I didn't believe the story when it broke.  Ilsa   Aug-02-08 05:21 PM   #70 
  - evidence from the therapist? This case reminiscent of David Kelley & WMD.  shireen   Aug-02-08 05:29 PM   #71 
  - looks like M$NBC intends to trot out former prosecutor talking heads to emphasize how important  Supersedeas   Aug-03-08 09:41 AM   #168 
  - K & R  Christa   Aug-02-08 05:35 PM   #73 
  - Why does a suspicious death not rate an autopsy?????  newfie11   Aug-02-08 05:38 PM   #74 
  - Motive and scenario  mr.anonymouslurker   Aug-02-08 06:05 PM   #80 
  - Welcome to DU..............I think?  Tinksrival   Aug-02-08 08:14 PM   #108 
  - Welcome to DU and please...  Mr_Jefferson_24   Aug-02-08 08:36 PM   #112 
  - 3 undeniable facts: Blame Islamists, real source Ft Detrick, Propoganda pretext for Iraq invasion  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 11:10 PM   #133 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-08 11:17 PM   #135 
  - Good analysis.  TexasObserver   Aug-03-08 06:35 AM   #156 
  - Welcome to DU. Who are Zack and Rippy?  yardwork   Aug-04-08 02:03 PM   #186 
  - But we do need to celebrate this  itsjustme   Aug-02-08 06:16 PM   #82 
  - It's not a conspiracy theory  NCevilDUer   Aug-02-08 06:30 PM   #87 
     - Balderdash! Of course it is a conspiracy theory. (eom)  eomer   Aug-02-08 06:57 PM   #94 
        - There's conspiracy theories  NCevilDUer   Aug-02-08 07:19 PM   #98 
           - Your "conspiracy theories", by which I assume you mean wild and unfounded theories of loonies,  eomer   Aug-03-08 07:19 AM   #157 
  - If Hatfield was allowed to live to sue, why didn't Ivins go to the ACLU with his story?  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-02-08 06:17 PM   #83 
  - Because he was right-wing and thought the ACLU was a bad  JDPriestly   Aug-03-08 12:46 PM   #177 
     - Has it been determined he's right-wing?  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-04-08 06:57 AM   #183 
  - Thank you for your professional opinion Nightwatcher..  Virginia Dare   Aug-02-08 06:20 PM   #84 
  - K&R. I doubted the story the minute I heard it.  AZBlue   Aug-02-08 06:21 PM   #85 
  - Wow...It's a slam-dunk murder, IMO  nikto   Aug-02-08 06:31 PM   #88 
  - kick  samsingh   Aug-02-08 06:41 PM   #91 
  - But...but...but...  Progs Rock   Aug-02-08 06:49 PM   #93 
  - While I don't deny that anything is possible, it's also possible and maybe more likely  Stevepol   Aug-02-08 07:05 PM   #95 
  - The L.A. Times (hard copy edition) ran a story  JDPriestly   Aug-02-08 07:31 PM   #100 
  - tylenol with codeine suicide -- from an MD's pov  mainer   Aug-02-08 07:34 PM   #101 
  - Informative post. Thank you.  Bozita   Aug-02-08 08:14 PM   #107 
  - how long do you have for stomach pumping?  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 09:45 PM   #121 
  - Here's his claimed "therapist" talking about her happy pills  MetaTrope   Aug-02-08 11:06 PM   #131 
  - subozone users are asked to attend a group session once a week  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 11:29 PM   #141 
  - A frightening, related link from that same FrederickNewsPost page.  FraDon   Aug-03-08 11:45 AM   #172 
  - The lethal dose of codeine  factcheckr   Aug-02-08 11:07 PM   #132 
  - and yet the Corporate Scriveners couldn't take the time to ask a physician about his death?  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 11:19 PM   #136 
  - Maybe these sorts of questions are why the story changed  clear eye   Aug-03-08 03:32 AM   #155 
  - The lack of autopsy, if true, is unbelievable.  SmokingJacket   Aug-02-08 08:20 PM   #109 
  - " history of making homicidal threats" - Background check?  autorank   Aug-02-08 08:32 PM   #110 
  - I have yet to hear anyone other than that verify it  JoeIsOneOfUs   Aug-02-08 09:47 PM   #122 
  - Good point. Check this out - the tape of the Social Workers restraing order hearing  autorank   Aug-02-08 11:43 PM   #144 
  - Lots of very healthy people were suicidal at some point in their life.  JDPriestly   Aug-03-08 12:52 PM   #178 
  - much of the DoJ/Media PR case revolves around Ms. Duley's 'analysis' of Ivin  Supersedeas   Aug-02-08 11:32 PM   #143 
  - Now that was good analysis.  caseymoz   Aug-02-08 10:03 PM   #123 
  - fascinating  jeme   Aug-02-08 10:27 PM   #126 
  - I thought the second that drugs are involved an autopsy is ORDERED.  higher class   Aug-02-08 10:50 PM   #128 
  - No. My dad overdosed and no autopsy was performed per Mom's wishes. nt  Flatulo   Aug-02-08 11:23 PM   #139 
     - That's surprising  Spiffarino   Aug-03-08 12:38 AM   #146 
  - "They' hate us for our freedom.  higher class   Aug-02-08 10:52 PM   #129 
  - When you look at all the lies and set-ups - it makes a person  higher class   Aug-02-08 10:53 PM   #130 
  - Case closed.  Major Hogwash   Aug-02-08 11:29 PM   #140 
  - Just another day in paradise. One suicide after another after another...  Indenturedebtor   Aug-02-08 11:30 PM   #142 
  - There will be many unusual happenings...  Spiffarino   Aug-03-08 12:40 AM   #148 
  - Article of Interest  phoenixriz   Aug-03-08 02:35 AM   #152 
  - They've got suicidal depression in a pill, I'm sure. Not a lot of harassment needed.  hunter   Aug-03-08 01:43 AM   #150 
  - ABC news releases from undisclosed sources now look like perps. That should keep story alive  bjobotts   Aug-03-08 01:50 AM   #151 
  - CNN is running hard with the "he was about to go postal" audio exerpt from Duley  Supersedeas   Aug-03-08 09:07 AM   #163 
  - 133rd recommendation here. oh, and a little kick as well. n/t  orleans   Aug-03-08 03:02 AM   #154 
  - no autopsy?  raging_moderate   Aug-03-08 08:27 AM   #158 
  - FWIW From another former spook  RedLetterRev   Aug-03-08 08:34 AM   #159 
  - That is EXACTLY what I think-  BeHereNow   Aug-03-08 10:06 PM   #182 
  - What I thought was outrageous...  pipi_k   Aug-03-08 08:42 AM   #160 
  - Well Mr. Spook,  Y B Gerbil   Aug-03-08 09:52 AM   #169 
  - Obviously, it is a viciously organised nightmare for the victims of overt  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Aug-03-08 10:00 AM   #170 
  - And I'd better not get cocky or they'll take me down a peg or three.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Aug-03-08 02:18 PM   #179 
  - Agree wholeheartedly.  sourmilk   Aug-03-08 10:21 AM   #171 
  - Thom Hartmann just talked about this post  SharonRB   Aug-04-08 01:14 PM   #184 
  - One of Ivins' friends also talked about the fact he had no more money for lawyers . . ..  defendandprotect   Aug-05-08 01:35 PM   #188 
 

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