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Sat Aug-02-08 05:43 PM
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| 76. Timing, Proximity, Secrecy, Political Targets, Motives & Initial Propoganda |
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Timing - the timing of his 'therapists' complaint and the content of the complaint seems suspect
Proximity - like rolling the dice with any of the bio-weapons scientists at Ft Detrick (they just found one who cracked under pressure and then the Media presumes guilt)
Secrecy - for almost 7 years, the DoJ has let this linger (now we have a super-secret conclusion to their investigation: dead suspects can't talk)
Political Targets - spot on here, barely ANY mention in the GoP Corp Media Establishment of this odd fact especially when combined with the content of the letters pointing to Islamists and the now crystal clear fact that the Admin tried to pin this on Iraq as more fodder for pre-emptive war.
Motives & Initial Propoganda - Again, take a look at the letters that were part of the scare tactics of the Anthrax attacks. Take a look at the Admin pretext for War with Iraq and their use of the 'opportunity' to push waiving DEMS into War. IT STINKS. Not only that, but apparently the 'suspect' was a regular writer to the Editorial pages where he espouse rightwing fundamentalist garbage. Imagine the HEAT, like a friggin laser beam, that would have come down on an Islam 'suspects' place of worship, and yet barely anyone is asking in the 'investigative journalistic' ranks, where the guy attended Church.
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| -My two cents on the Anthrax Suicide… from a former spook |
NightWatcher |
Aug-02-08 12:05 PM |
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Recommending. n/t |
stubtoe |
Aug-02-08 12:09 PM |
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you can bet the Corp Media will stay very far from any follow-up questions (Mukasey will demand it) |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 12:10 PM |
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Simple self-preservation will also demand it, I should think. n/t |
tblue37 |
Aug-02-08 02:56 PM |
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Like I said, anyone |
Enthusiast |
Aug-03-08 12:39 AM |
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This whole deal smells funny. |
navarth |
Aug-02-08 12:10 PM |
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kind of like David Kelly n/t |
48percenter |
Aug-02-08 12:12 PM |
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Dr. Kelley has been going over and over in my mind. |
Gregorian |
Aug-02-08 07:35 PM |
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Scary, isn't it. |
48percenter |
Aug-03-08 01:22 AM |
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Worthy of a Pacino film (think of his "Insider" role on the whistleblower |
monmouth |
Aug-02-08 12:10 PM |
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Actually, the movie that comes to mind for me is |
cadaverdog |
Aug-02-08 06:14 PM |
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Excellent film |
chatnoir |
Aug-02-08 11:11 PM |
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This only goes away if we let it. |
sellitman |
Aug-02-08 12:12 PM |
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The media seems to have closed the book on him. |
donco6 |
Aug-02-08 12:13 PM |
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not only that |
itsjustme |
Aug-02-08 12:15 PM |
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Proud to give rec #5 |
MorningGlow |
Aug-02-08 12:15 PM |
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Suspicious Factors |
rwenos |
Aug-02-08 12:19 PM |
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iI thought they said it was an OD of Tylenol and something else... |
willing dwarf |
Aug-02-08 12:30 PM |
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Codeine, But In Any Other OD An Autopsy Would Be Performed |
lligrd |
Aug-02-08 12:37 PM |
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Timing, Proximity, Secrecy, Political Targets, Motives & Initial Propoganda |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 05:43 PM |
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... |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 05:48 PM |
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BINGO, CITIZEN |
YEBBA |
Aug-02-08 08:52 PM |
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Tidied up and closed permanently before Bush/Cheney exit. |
tabatha |
Aug-02-08 12:20 PM |
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Along with a lot of other evidence. They are covering up everything. |
jwirr |
Aug-02-08 03:58 PM |
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BINGO, CITIZEN |
YEBBA |
Aug-02-08 08:53 PM |
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Put options were closed fast. I remember the laid back curt absolution from Ashcroft. |
higher class |
Aug-02-08 10:18 PM |
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Yes. It is very CONVENIENT that this case is being closed up |
mmonk |
Aug-03-08 09:30 AM |
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I concur |
formercia |
Aug-02-08 12:22 PM |
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i'd love to hear your story |
barbtries |
Aug-03-08 08:43 AM |
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Here's one from my journal |
formercia |
Aug-03-08 09:09 AM |
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I wonder |
KoKo01 |
Aug-02-08 12:27 PM |
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Thanks for your comments . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 12:33 PM |
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all that came up after he was targeted |
itsjustme |
Aug-02-08 12:42 PM |
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I didn't include it, but . . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 12:57 PM |
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other mind altering drugs -- apparently his 'therapist' is a drug counselor |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 05:45 PM |
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... sadly we've seen medical professionals working with the CIA, etc. . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 09:01 PM |
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"Client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats,...' |
NCevilDUer |
Aug-02-08 02:58 PM |
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where are the witnesses to decades of this behavior? other than this one |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:43 PM |
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Google Jean C Duley - the only hits I could get were mentions in THIS story |
csziggy |
Aug-02-08 08:46 PM |
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that is interesting |
barbtries |
Aug-03-08 08:46 AM |
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Yep. They have their |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Aug-02-08 12:38 PM |
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Yep, If They Could Have Gotten Hatfield To Suicide Himself |
lligrd |
Aug-02-08 12:41 PM |
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Thank you. |
yardwork |
Aug-02-08 12:42 PM |
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The really sad thing is that there is no investigative reporting... |
AntiFascist |
Aug-02-08 01:10 PM |
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The corporate-owned media, you mean. |
yardwork |
Aug-02-08 02:44 PM |
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just heard a good NPR report - Ivin's colleagues are NOT buying it |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:22 PM |
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Very interesting ! |
AntiFascist |
Aug-03-08 12:26 PM |
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our local rag has the AP piece that quotes a victim declaring the suicide as prove of guilt |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 08:34 PM |
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Recommended -- n/t |
Mme. Defarge |
Aug-02-08 12:58 PM |
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Such a well-written OP, I was looking for a "link" to read more. |
8_year_nightmare |
Aug-02-08 01:00 PM |
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you have nailed it... so many really, really convenient suicides....lucky Adminitration, eh? |
sojourner |
Aug-02-08 04:32 PM |
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Bush and Cheney are the luckiest SOB's that ever lived.. |
Virginia Dare |
Aug-02-08 06:24 PM |
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naming him as the |
benddem |
Aug-02-08 01:04 PM |
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It took Hatfil years to set the record straight. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-02-08 01:06 PM |
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Seems to me like Hatfill didn't play according to plan and cave. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:44 PM |
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so they found another target that would crumble--in time to close the case |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 08:10 PM |
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k*r EXCELLENT |
autorank |
Aug-02-08 01:31 PM |
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Just heard an NPR report about them interrogating family |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:45 PM |
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A message, not lost on those watching, perhaps. |
autorank |
Aug-02-08 07:52 PM |
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Why was a known "homicidal sociopath" allowed to keep his Security Clearance in a military lab? |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 01:43 PM |
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Who is the Einstein that wrote the notes at the bottom? I think |
yy4me |
Aug-02-08 02:12 PM |
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Look at the clean elegance of Duley's signature |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 02:37 PM |
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and McRove went straight to Letterman declaring Iraq the source, and phase II |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 08:37 PM |
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Don't be silly--why if anyone tried a conspiracy like this, everyone would know about it! |
librechik |
Aug-04-08 01:38 PM |
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Because he wasn't a sociopath or homicidal - it's all part of operation. |
file83 |
Aug-02-08 02:14 PM |
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Good points. Note that Duley calls Dr. Ivins a "client", though. |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 02:44 PM |
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She worked for his employer. |
screembloodymurder |
Aug-02-08 04:49 PM |
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Exactly. |
MorningGlow |
Aug-02-08 02:58 PM |
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ok, that's one of my questions - Duley wasn't his therapist, right? |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:41 PM |
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According to this article on Huffpo, Duley was a social worker. |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 05:30 PM |
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That hand written statement at the bottom is weird. |
Jazzgirl |
Aug-02-08 02:28 PM |
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It's also neither signed nor dated. |
gatorboy |
Aug-02-08 04:20 PM |
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Well, perhaps we are supposed to assume that it was written on the back |
file83 |
Aug-02-08 05:42 PM |
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Duley's petition shows dates. |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 07:06 PM |
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Correction: Duley's petition is dated July 21, 2008 |
Kaleko |
Aug-03-08 12:44 PM |
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I do not mean to disparage drug therapists, however, I know |
JDPriestly |
Aug-02-08 06:42 PM |
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Does this look like the printing on the anthrax letters or not? |
JDPriestly |
Aug-02-08 06:40 PM |
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Not sure that even an accredited graphologist could tell from these samples. |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 07:11 PM |
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A-way back when |
RedLetterRev |
Aug-03-08 09:23 AM |
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Your statement makes sense. I expect our government to safeguard such weapons. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-03-08 12:43 PM |
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My loyalty to the Constitution is exactly why I am upset |
RedLetterRev |
Aug-03-08 03:14 PM |
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I'm with you on this. It's the lies and corruption and the perversion of our Constitution. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-03-08 03:59 PM |
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Ok. My rule: "When the actions don't match the words, you've found them out." |
jazzjunkysue |
Aug-03-08 11:59 AM |
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I find these kind of Bushite crimes even harder to stomach than their slaughter of |
Peace Patriot |
Aug-02-08 01:51 PM |
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excellent post |
shireen |
Aug-03-08 02:41 AM |
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Physician who worked with Ivins is pointing to the Justice Dept... |
BeHereNow |
Aug-02-08 01:58 PM |
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EXACTLY!!! We can also strike the other conspiracy theory that Irvin did it for $$$... |
file83 |
Aug-02-08 02:22 PM |
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interesting. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:48 PM |
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is Mukasey in charge of what the DoJ leaks to the Media? |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 10:35 PM |
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him or Cheney I guess. Interesting this happens after the oversight hearings too. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 11:20 PM |
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suicide!!!???? |
mamameow |
Aug-02-08 02:02 PM |
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Those who responded . . "saw no signs of suicide" . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 05:06 PM |
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I was also in the business. I collected info. |
alfredo |
Aug-02-08 02:05 PM |
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You mean like... |
file83 |
Aug-02-08 02:24 PM |
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yes |
alfredo |
Aug-02-08 02:26 PM |
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They certainly targeted Daschle .. . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 05:11 PM |
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Congress was threatened. |
screembloodymurder |
Aug-02-08 08:07 PM |
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Thank you . . . I had no idea he said this . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 08:54 PM |
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And do you remember.......... |
rucognizant |
Aug-02-08 09:42 PM |
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Limbaugh was calling Daschle "El Diablo" during 2001 |
Mabus |
Aug-03-08 09:29 AM |
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Have you ever heard of the Narcotics Task Force? They used to do that. |
Joanne98 |
Aug-02-08 02:21 PM |
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that is truly frightening. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:49 PM |
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Sick and evil people --- |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 05:14 PM |
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wow but not really |
grannie4peace |
Aug-02-08 03:05 PM |
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They HAD to wrap this up before they loose control in January |
Phred42 |
Aug-02-08 03:20 PM |
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As someone who has been around enough operators to know.... |
Aviation Pro |
Aug-02-08 04:14 PM |
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Do you think we might hear anything pertinent from Hatfield? |
JerseygirlCT |
Aug-02-08 04:22 PM |
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I'd be willing to bet |
me b zola |
Aug-02-08 06:36 PM |
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omg, that would explain the timing |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 07:23 PM |
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How does one go about finding out about a legal settlement? |
me b zola |
Aug-02-08 08:52 PM |
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About three to six months after the attacks, a female biologist/phd |
salin |
Aug-02-08 04:25 PM |
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Barbara Hatch Rosenberg |
PATRICK |
Aug-02-08 05:46 PM |
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Is this her report? COMPILATION OF MAILED ANTHRAX EVIDENCE |
csziggy |
Aug-02-08 10:05 PM |
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good work - thanks for posting. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 11:22 PM |
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Yes and you can |
PATRICK |
Aug-04-08 05:03 PM |
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So much for justice in this country |
magellan |
Aug-02-08 04:38 PM |
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Just another situation for Cheney & Bush to close the book on... |
Imagevision |
Aug-02-08 04:45 PM |
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Just Cheney Tying up the Loose Ends |
AnnieBW |
Aug-02-08 04:58 PM |
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You mean McCain is not going to choose Cheney as a running mate? n/t |
Virginian |
Aug-02-08 08:08 PM |
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This is a believable explanation of what was done to this man. |
Mr_Jefferson_24 |
Aug-02-08 05:11 PM |
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I haven't been buying this one... |
ImForGore |
Aug-02-08 05:17 PM |
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i see, all the other times things added up? nt |
tomp |
Aug-02-08 11:44 PM |
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I didn't believe the story when it broke. |
Ilsa |
Aug-02-08 05:21 PM |
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evidence from the therapist? This case reminiscent of David Kelley & WMD. |
shireen |
Aug-02-08 05:29 PM |
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looks like M$NBC intends to trot out former prosecutor talking heads to emphasize how important |
Supersedeas |
Aug-03-08 09:41 AM |
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K & R |
Christa |
Aug-02-08 05:35 PM |
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Why does a suspicious death not rate an autopsy????? |
newfie11 |
Aug-02-08 05:38 PM |
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Motive and scenario |
mr.anonymouslurker |
Aug-02-08 06:05 PM |
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Welcome to DU..............I think? |
Tinksrival |
Aug-02-08 08:14 PM |
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Welcome to DU and please... |
Mr_Jefferson_24 |
Aug-02-08 08:36 PM |
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3 undeniable facts: Blame Islamists, real source Ft Detrick, Propoganda pretext for Iraq invasion |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 11:10 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-02-08 11:17 PM |
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Good analysis. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-03-08 06:35 AM |
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Welcome to DU. Who are Zack and Rippy? |
yardwork |
Aug-04-08 02:03 PM |
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But we do need to celebrate this |
itsjustme |
Aug-02-08 06:16 PM |
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It's not a conspiracy theory |
NCevilDUer |
Aug-02-08 06:30 PM |
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Balderdash! Of course it is a conspiracy theory. (eom) |
eomer |
Aug-02-08 06:57 PM |
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There's conspiracy theories |
NCevilDUer |
Aug-02-08 07:19 PM |
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Your "conspiracy theories", by which I assume you mean wild and unfounded theories of loonies, |
eomer |
Aug-03-08 07:19 AM |
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If Hatfield was allowed to live to sue, why didn't Ivins go to the ACLU with his story? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Aug-02-08 06:17 PM |
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Because he was right-wing and thought the ACLU was a bad |
JDPriestly |
Aug-03-08 12:46 PM |
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Has it been determined he's right-wing? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Aug-04-08 06:57 AM |
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Thank you for your professional opinion Nightwatcher.. |
Virginia Dare |
Aug-02-08 06:20 PM |
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K&R. I doubted the story the minute I heard it. |
AZBlue |
Aug-02-08 06:21 PM |
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Wow...It's a slam-dunk murder, IMO |
nikto |
Aug-02-08 06:31 PM |
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kick |
samsingh |
Aug-02-08 06:41 PM |
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But...but...but... |
Progs Rock |
Aug-02-08 06:49 PM |
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While I don't deny that anything is possible, it's also possible and maybe more likely |
Stevepol |
Aug-02-08 07:05 PM |
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The L.A. Times (hard copy edition) ran a story |
JDPriestly |
Aug-02-08 07:31 PM |
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tylenol with codeine suicide -- from an MD's pov |
mainer |
Aug-02-08 07:34 PM |
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Informative post. Thank you. |
Bozita |
Aug-02-08 08:14 PM |
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how long do you have for stomach pumping? |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 09:45 PM |
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Here's his claimed "therapist" talking about her happy pills |
MetaTrope |
Aug-02-08 11:06 PM |
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subozone users are asked to attend a group session once a week |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 11:29 PM |
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A frightening, related link from that same FrederickNewsPost page. |
FraDon |
Aug-03-08 11:45 AM |
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The lethal dose of codeine |
factcheckr |
Aug-02-08 11:07 PM |
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and yet the Corporate Scriveners couldn't take the time to ask a physician about his death? |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 11:19 PM |
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Maybe these sorts of questions are why the story changed |
clear eye |
Aug-03-08 03:32 AM |
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The lack of autopsy, if true, is unbelievable. |
SmokingJacket |
Aug-02-08 08:20 PM |
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" history of making homicidal threats" - Background check? |
autorank |
Aug-02-08 08:32 PM |
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I have yet to hear anyone other than that verify it |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 09:47 PM |
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Good point. Check this out - the tape of the Social Workers restraing order hearing |
autorank |
Aug-02-08 11:43 PM |
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Lots of very healthy people were suicidal at some point in their life. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-03-08 12:52 PM |
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much of the DoJ/Media PR case revolves around Ms. Duley's 'analysis' of Ivin |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 11:32 PM |
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Now that was good analysis. |
caseymoz |
Aug-02-08 10:03 PM |
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fascinating |
jeme |
Aug-02-08 10:27 PM |
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I thought the second that drugs are involved an autopsy is ORDERED. |
higher class |
Aug-02-08 10:50 PM |
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No. My dad overdosed and no autopsy was performed per Mom's wishes. nt |
Flatulo |
Aug-02-08 11:23 PM |
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That's surprising |
Spiffarino |
Aug-03-08 12:38 AM |
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"They' hate us for our freedom. |
higher class |
Aug-02-08 10:52 PM |
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When you look at all the lies and set-ups - it makes a person |
higher class |
Aug-02-08 10:53 PM |
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Case closed. |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-02-08 11:29 PM |
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Just another day in paradise. One suicide after another after another... |
Indenturedebtor |
Aug-02-08 11:30 PM |
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There will be many unusual happenings... |
Spiffarino |
Aug-03-08 12:40 AM |
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Article of Interest |
phoenixriz |
Aug-03-08 02:35 AM |
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They've got suicidal depression in a pill, I'm sure. Not a lot of harassment needed. |
hunter |
Aug-03-08 01:43 AM |
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ABC news releases from undisclosed sources now look like perps. That should keep story alive |
bjobotts |
Aug-03-08 01:50 AM |
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CNN is running hard with the "he was about to go postal" audio exerpt from Duley |
Supersedeas |
Aug-03-08 09:07 AM |
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133rd recommendation here. oh, and a little kick as well. n/t |
orleans |
Aug-03-08 03:02 AM |
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no autopsy? |
raging_moderate |
Aug-03-08 08:27 AM |
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FWIW From another former spook |
RedLetterRev |
Aug-03-08 08:34 AM |
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That is EXACTLY what I think- |
BeHereNow |
Aug-03-08 10:06 PM |
#182 |
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What I thought was outrageous... |
pipi_k |
Aug-03-08 08:42 AM |
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Well Mr. Spook, |
Y B Gerbil |
Aug-03-08 09:52 AM |
#169 |
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Obviously, it is a viciously organised nightmare for the victims of overt |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-03-08 10:00 AM |
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And I'd better not get cocky or they'll take me down a peg or three. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-03-08 02:18 PM |
#179 |
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Agree wholeheartedly. |
sourmilk |
Aug-03-08 10:21 AM |
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Thom Hartmann just talked about this post |
SharonRB |
Aug-04-08 01:14 PM |
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One of Ivins' friends also talked about the fact he had no more money for lawyers . . .. |
defendandprotect |
Aug-05-08 01:35 PM |
#188 |