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Sat Aug-02-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #25 |
| 58. Seems to me like Hatfill didn't play according to plan and cave. nt |
| -My two cents on the Anthrax Suicide… from a former spook |
NightWatcher |
Aug-02-08 12:05 PM |
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Recommending. n/t |
stubtoe |
Aug-02-08 12:09 PM |
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you can bet the Corp Media will stay very far from any follow-up questions (Mukasey will demand it) |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 12:10 PM |
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Simple self-preservation will also demand it, I should think. n/t |
tblue37 |
Aug-02-08 02:56 PM |
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Like I said, anyone |
Enthusiast |
Aug-03-08 12:39 AM |
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This whole deal smells funny. |
navarth |
Aug-02-08 12:10 PM |
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kind of like David Kelly n/t |
48percenter |
Aug-02-08 12:12 PM |
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Dr. Kelley has been going over and over in my mind. |
Gregorian |
Aug-02-08 07:35 PM |
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Scary, isn't it. |
48percenter |
Aug-03-08 01:22 AM |
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Worthy of a Pacino film (think of his "Insider" role on the whistleblower |
monmouth |
Aug-02-08 12:10 PM |
#4 |
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Actually, the movie that comes to mind for me is |
cadaverdog |
Aug-02-08 06:14 PM |
#81 |
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Excellent film |
chatnoir |
Aug-02-08 11:11 PM |
#134 |
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This only goes away if we let it. |
sellitman |
Aug-02-08 12:12 PM |
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The media seems to have closed the book on him. |
donco6 |
Aug-02-08 12:13 PM |
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not only that |
itsjustme |
Aug-02-08 12:15 PM |
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Proud to give rec #5 |
MorningGlow |
Aug-02-08 12:15 PM |
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Suspicious Factors |
rwenos |
Aug-02-08 12:19 PM |
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iI thought they said it was an OD of Tylenol and something else... |
willing dwarf |
Aug-02-08 12:30 PM |
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Codeine, But In Any Other OD An Autopsy Would Be Performed |
lligrd |
Aug-02-08 12:37 PM |
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Timing, Proximity, Secrecy, Political Targets, Motives & Initial Propoganda |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 05:43 PM |
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... |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 05:48 PM |
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BINGO, CITIZEN |
YEBBA |
Aug-02-08 08:52 PM |
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Tidied up and closed permanently before Bush/Cheney exit. |
tabatha |
Aug-02-08 12:20 PM |
#11 |
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Along with a lot of other evidence. They are covering up everything. |
jwirr |
Aug-02-08 03:58 PM |
#48 |
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BINGO, CITIZEN |
YEBBA |
Aug-02-08 08:53 PM |
#117 |
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Put options were closed fast. I remember the laid back curt absolution from Ashcroft. |
higher class |
Aug-02-08 10:18 PM |
#125 |
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Yes. It is very CONVENIENT that this case is being closed up |
mmonk |
Aug-03-08 09:30 AM |
#167 |
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I concur |
formercia |
Aug-02-08 12:22 PM |
#12 |
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i'd love to hear your story |
barbtries |
Aug-03-08 08:43 AM |
#161 |
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Here's one from my journal |
formercia |
Aug-03-08 09:09 AM |
#164 |
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I wonder |
KoKo01 |
Aug-02-08 12:27 PM |
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Thanks for your comments . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 12:33 PM |
#15 |
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all that came up after he was targeted |
itsjustme |
Aug-02-08 12:42 PM |
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I didn't include it, but . . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 12:57 PM |
#21 |
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other mind altering drugs -- apparently his 'therapist' is a drug counselor |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 05:45 PM |
#77 |
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... sadly we've seen medical professionals working with the CIA, etc. . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 09:01 PM |
#119 |
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"Client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats,...' |
NCevilDUer |
Aug-02-08 02:58 PM |
#45 |
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where are the witnesses to decades of this behavior? other than this one |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:43 PM |
#57 |
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Google Jean C Duley - the only hits I could get were mentions in THIS story |
csziggy |
Aug-02-08 08:46 PM |
#114 |
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that is interesting |
barbtries |
Aug-03-08 08:46 AM |
#162 |
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Yep. They have their |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Aug-02-08 12:38 PM |
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Yep, If They Could Have Gotten Hatfield To Suicide Himself |
lligrd |
Aug-02-08 12:41 PM |
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Thank you. |
yardwork |
Aug-02-08 12:42 PM |
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The really sad thing is that there is no investigative reporting... |
AntiFascist |
Aug-02-08 01:10 PM |
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The corporate-owned media, you mean. |
yardwork |
Aug-02-08 02:44 PM |
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just heard a good NPR report - Ivin's colleagues are NOT buying it |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:22 PM |
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Very interesting ! |
AntiFascist |
Aug-03-08 12:26 PM |
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our local rag has the AP piece that quotes a victim declaring the suicide as prove of guilt |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 08:34 PM |
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Recommended -- n/t |
Mme. Defarge |
Aug-02-08 12:58 PM |
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Such a well-written OP, I was looking for a "link" to read more. |
8_year_nightmare |
Aug-02-08 01:00 PM |
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you have nailed it... so many really, really convenient suicides....lucky Adminitration, eh? |
sojourner |
Aug-02-08 04:32 PM |
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Bush and Cheney are the luckiest SOB's that ever lived.. |
Virginia Dare |
Aug-02-08 06:24 PM |
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naming him as the |
benddem |
Aug-02-08 01:04 PM |
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It took Hatfil years to set the record straight. |
sfexpat2000 |
Aug-02-08 01:06 PM |
#25 |
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Seems to me like Hatfill didn't play according to plan and cave. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:44 PM |
#58 |
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so they found another target that would crumble--in time to close the case |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 08:10 PM |
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k*r EXCELLENT |
autorank |
Aug-02-08 01:31 PM |
#27 |
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Just heard an NPR report about them interrogating family |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:45 PM |
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A message, not lost on those watching, perhaps. |
autorank |
Aug-02-08 07:52 PM |
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Why was a known "homicidal sociopath" allowed to keep his Security Clearance in a military lab? |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 01:43 PM |
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Who is the Einstein that wrote the notes at the bottom? I think |
yy4me |
Aug-02-08 02:12 PM |
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Look at the clean elegance of Duley's signature |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 02:37 PM |
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and McRove went straight to Letterman declaring Iraq the source, and phase II |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 08:37 PM |
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Don't be silly--why if anyone tried a conspiracy like this, everyone would know about it! |
librechik |
Aug-04-08 01:38 PM |
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Because he wasn't a sociopath or homicidal - it's all part of operation. |
file83 |
Aug-02-08 02:14 PM |
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Good points. Note that Duley calls Dr. Ivins a "client", though. |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 02:44 PM |
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She worked for his employer. |
screembloodymurder |
Aug-02-08 04:49 PM |
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Exactly. |
MorningGlow |
Aug-02-08 02:58 PM |
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ok, that's one of my questions - Duley wasn't his therapist, right? |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:41 PM |
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According to this article on Huffpo, Duley was a social worker. |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 05:30 PM |
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That hand written statement at the bottom is weird. |
Jazzgirl |
Aug-02-08 02:28 PM |
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It's also neither signed nor dated. |
gatorboy |
Aug-02-08 04:20 PM |
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Well, perhaps we are supposed to assume that it was written on the back |
file83 |
Aug-02-08 05:42 PM |
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Duley's petition shows dates. |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 07:06 PM |
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Correction: Duley's petition is dated July 21, 2008 |
Kaleko |
Aug-03-08 12:44 PM |
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I do not mean to disparage drug therapists, however, I know |
JDPriestly |
Aug-02-08 06:42 PM |
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Does this look like the printing on the anthrax letters or not? |
JDPriestly |
Aug-02-08 06:40 PM |
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Not sure that even an accredited graphologist could tell from these samples. |
Kaleko |
Aug-02-08 07:11 PM |
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A-way back when |
RedLetterRev |
Aug-03-08 09:23 AM |
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Your statement makes sense. I expect our government to safeguard such weapons. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-03-08 12:43 PM |
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My loyalty to the Constitution is exactly why I am upset |
RedLetterRev |
Aug-03-08 03:14 PM |
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I'm with you on this. It's the lies and corruption and the perversion of our Constitution. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-03-08 03:59 PM |
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Ok. My rule: "When the actions don't match the words, you've found them out." |
jazzjunkysue |
Aug-03-08 11:59 AM |
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I find these kind of Bushite crimes even harder to stomach than their slaughter of |
Peace Patriot |
Aug-02-08 01:51 PM |
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excellent post |
shireen |
Aug-03-08 02:41 AM |
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Physician who worked with Ivins is pointing to the Justice Dept... |
BeHereNow |
Aug-02-08 01:58 PM |
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EXACTLY!!! We can also strike the other conspiracy theory that Irvin did it for $$$... |
file83 |
Aug-02-08 02:22 PM |
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interesting. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:48 PM |
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is Mukasey in charge of what the DoJ leaks to the Media? |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 10:35 PM |
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him or Cheney I guess. Interesting this happens after the oversight hearings too. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 11:20 PM |
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suicide!!!???? |
mamameow |
Aug-02-08 02:02 PM |
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Those who responded . . "saw no signs of suicide" . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 05:06 PM |
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I was also in the business. I collected info. |
alfredo |
Aug-02-08 02:05 PM |
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You mean like... |
file83 |
Aug-02-08 02:24 PM |
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yes |
alfredo |
Aug-02-08 02:26 PM |
#38 |
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They certainly targeted Daschle .. . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 05:11 PM |
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Congress was threatened. |
screembloodymurder |
Aug-02-08 08:07 PM |
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Thank you . . . I had no idea he said this . . . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 08:54 PM |
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And do you remember.......... |
rucognizant |
Aug-02-08 09:42 PM |
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Limbaugh was calling Daschle "El Diablo" during 2001 |
Mabus |
Aug-03-08 09:29 AM |
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Have you ever heard of the Narcotics Task Force? They used to do that. |
Joanne98 |
Aug-02-08 02:21 PM |
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that is truly frightening. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 04:49 PM |
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Sick and evil people --- |
defendandprotect |
Aug-02-08 05:14 PM |
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wow but not really |
grannie4peace |
Aug-02-08 03:05 PM |
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They HAD to wrap this up before they loose control in January |
Phred42 |
Aug-02-08 03:20 PM |
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As someone who has been around enough operators to know.... |
Aviation Pro |
Aug-02-08 04:14 PM |
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Do you think we might hear anything pertinent from Hatfield? |
JerseygirlCT |
Aug-02-08 04:22 PM |
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I'd be willing to bet |
me b zola |
Aug-02-08 06:36 PM |
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omg, that would explain the timing |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 07:23 PM |
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How does one go about finding out about a legal settlement? |
me b zola |
Aug-02-08 08:52 PM |
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About three to six months after the attacks, a female biologist/phd |
salin |
Aug-02-08 04:25 PM |
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Barbara Hatch Rosenberg |
PATRICK |
Aug-02-08 05:46 PM |
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Is this her report? COMPILATION OF MAILED ANTHRAX EVIDENCE |
csziggy |
Aug-02-08 10:05 PM |
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good work - thanks for posting. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 11:22 PM |
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Yes and you can |
PATRICK |
Aug-04-08 05:03 PM |
#187 |
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So much for justice in this country |
magellan |
Aug-02-08 04:38 PM |
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Just another situation for Cheney & Bush to close the book on... |
Imagevision |
Aug-02-08 04:45 PM |
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Just Cheney Tying up the Loose Ends |
AnnieBW |
Aug-02-08 04:58 PM |
#64 |
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You mean McCain is not going to choose Cheney as a running mate? n/t |
Virginian |
Aug-02-08 08:08 PM |
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This is a believable explanation of what was done to this man. |
Mr_Jefferson_24 |
Aug-02-08 05:11 PM |
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I haven't been buying this one... |
ImForGore |
Aug-02-08 05:17 PM |
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i see, all the other times things added up? nt |
tomp |
Aug-02-08 11:44 PM |
#145 |
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I didn't believe the story when it broke. |
Ilsa |
Aug-02-08 05:21 PM |
#70 |
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evidence from the therapist? This case reminiscent of David Kelley & WMD. |
shireen |
Aug-02-08 05:29 PM |
#71 |
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looks like M$NBC intends to trot out former prosecutor talking heads to emphasize how important |
Supersedeas |
Aug-03-08 09:41 AM |
#168 |
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K & R |
Christa |
Aug-02-08 05:35 PM |
#73 |
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Why does a suspicious death not rate an autopsy????? |
newfie11 |
Aug-02-08 05:38 PM |
#74 |
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Motive and scenario |
mr.anonymouslurker |
Aug-02-08 06:05 PM |
#80 |
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Welcome to DU..............I think? |
Tinksrival |
Aug-02-08 08:14 PM |
#108 |
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Welcome to DU and please... |
Mr_Jefferson_24 |
Aug-02-08 08:36 PM |
#112 |
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3 undeniable facts: Blame Islamists, real source Ft Detrick, Propoganda pretext for Iraq invasion |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 11:10 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-02-08 11:17 PM |
#135 |
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Good analysis. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-03-08 06:35 AM |
#156 |
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Welcome to DU. Who are Zack and Rippy? |
yardwork |
Aug-04-08 02:03 PM |
#186 |
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But we do need to celebrate this |
itsjustme |
Aug-02-08 06:16 PM |
#82 |
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It's not a conspiracy theory |
NCevilDUer |
Aug-02-08 06:30 PM |
#87 |
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Balderdash! Of course it is a conspiracy theory. (eom) |
eomer |
Aug-02-08 06:57 PM |
#94 |
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There's conspiracy theories |
NCevilDUer |
Aug-02-08 07:19 PM |
#98 |
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Your "conspiracy theories", by which I assume you mean wild and unfounded theories of loonies, |
eomer |
Aug-03-08 07:19 AM |
#157 |
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If Hatfield was allowed to live to sue, why didn't Ivins go to the ACLU with his story? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Aug-02-08 06:17 PM |
#83 |
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Because he was right-wing and thought the ACLU was a bad |
JDPriestly |
Aug-03-08 12:46 PM |
#177 |
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Has it been determined he's right-wing? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Aug-04-08 06:57 AM |
#183 |
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Thank you for your professional opinion Nightwatcher.. |
Virginia Dare |
Aug-02-08 06:20 PM |
#84 |
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K&R. I doubted the story the minute I heard it. |
AZBlue |
Aug-02-08 06:21 PM |
#85 |
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Wow...It's a slam-dunk murder, IMO |
nikto |
Aug-02-08 06:31 PM |
#88 |
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kick |
samsingh |
Aug-02-08 06:41 PM |
#91 |
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But...but...but... |
Progs Rock |
Aug-02-08 06:49 PM |
#93 |
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While I don't deny that anything is possible, it's also possible and maybe more likely |
Stevepol |
Aug-02-08 07:05 PM |
#95 |
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The L.A. Times (hard copy edition) ran a story |
JDPriestly |
Aug-02-08 07:31 PM |
#100 |
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tylenol with codeine suicide -- from an MD's pov |
mainer |
Aug-02-08 07:34 PM |
#101 |
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Informative post. Thank you. |
Bozita |
Aug-02-08 08:14 PM |
#107 |
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how long do you have for stomach pumping? |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 09:45 PM |
#121 |
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Here's his claimed "therapist" talking about her happy pills |
MetaTrope |
Aug-02-08 11:06 PM |
#131 |
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subozone users are asked to attend a group session once a week |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 11:29 PM |
#141 |
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A frightening, related link from that same FrederickNewsPost page. |
FraDon |
Aug-03-08 11:45 AM |
#172 |
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The lethal dose of codeine |
factcheckr |
Aug-02-08 11:07 PM |
#132 |
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and yet the Corporate Scriveners couldn't take the time to ask a physician about his death? |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 11:19 PM |
#136 |
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Maybe these sorts of questions are why the story changed |
clear eye |
Aug-03-08 03:32 AM |
#155 |
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The lack of autopsy, if true, is unbelievable. |
SmokingJacket |
Aug-02-08 08:20 PM |
#109 |
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" history of making homicidal threats" - Background check? |
autorank |
Aug-02-08 08:32 PM |
#110 |
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I have yet to hear anyone other than that verify it |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Aug-02-08 09:47 PM |
#122 |
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Good point. Check this out - the tape of the Social Workers restraing order hearing |
autorank |
Aug-02-08 11:43 PM |
#144 |
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Lots of very healthy people were suicidal at some point in their life. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-03-08 12:52 PM |
#178 |
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much of the DoJ/Media PR case revolves around Ms. Duley's 'analysis' of Ivin |
Supersedeas |
Aug-02-08 11:32 PM |
#143 |
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Now that was good analysis. |
caseymoz |
Aug-02-08 10:03 PM |
#123 |
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fascinating |
jeme |
Aug-02-08 10:27 PM |
#126 |
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I thought the second that drugs are involved an autopsy is ORDERED. |
higher class |
Aug-02-08 10:50 PM |
#128 |
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No. My dad overdosed and no autopsy was performed per Mom's wishes. nt |
Flatulo |
Aug-02-08 11:23 PM |
#139 |
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That's surprising |
Spiffarino |
Aug-03-08 12:38 AM |
#146 |
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"They' hate us for our freedom. |
higher class |
Aug-02-08 10:52 PM |
#129 |
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When you look at all the lies and set-ups - it makes a person |
higher class |
Aug-02-08 10:53 PM |
#130 |
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Case closed. |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-02-08 11:29 PM |
#140 |
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Just another day in paradise. One suicide after another after another... |
Indenturedebtor |
Aug-02-08 11:30 PM |
#142 |
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There will be many unusual happenings... |
Spiffarino |
Aug-03-08 12:40 AM |
#148 |
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Article of Interest |
phoenixriz |
Aug-03-08 02:35 AM |
#152 |
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They've got suicidal depression in a pill, I'm sure. Not a lot of harassment needed. |
hunter |
Aug-03-08 01:43 AM |
#150 |
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ABC news releases from undisclosed sources now look like perps. That should keep story alive |
bjobotts |
Aug-03-08 01:50 AM |
#151 |
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CNN is running hard with the "he was about to go postal" audio exerpt from Duley |
Supersedeas |
Aug-03-08 09:07 AM |
#163 |
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133rd recommendation here. oh, and a little kick as well. n/t |
orleans |
Aug-03-08 03:02 AM |
#154 |
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no autopsy? |
raging_moderate |
Aug-03-08 08:27 AM |
#158 |
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FWIW From another former spook |
RedLetterRev |
Aug-03-08 08:34 AM |
#159 |
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That is EXACTLY what I think- |
BeHereNow |
Aug-03-08 10:06 PM |
#182 |
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What I thought was outrageous... |
pipi_k |
Aug-03-08 08:42 AM |
#160 |
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Well Mr. Spook, |
Y B Gerbil |
Aug-03-08 09:52 AM |
#169 |
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Obviously, it is a viciously organised nightmare for the victims of overt |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-03-08 10:00 AM |
#170 |
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And I'd better not get cocky or they'll take me down a peg or three. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Aug-03-08 02:18 PM |
#179 |
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Agree wholeheartedly. |
sourmilk |
Aug-03-08 10:21 AM |
#171 |
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Thom Hartmann just talked about this post |
SharonRB |
Aug-04-08 01:14 PM |
#184 |
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One of Ivins' friends also talked about the fact he had no more money for lawyers . . .. |
defendandprotect |
Aug-05-08 01:35 PM |
#188 |
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