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Thu Jul-31-08 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #56 |
| 101. You have to be kidding |
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You want me to pay all for my county road where half a dozen people live AND pay
for your train ride to the cities? Let's hope you are never in charge.
Maybe you don't like to travel the roads of America to see this great country
but many of us do and we would never even think about getting close to a city if possible to avoid it.
I find cities useful for keeping those that like them from filling up the countryside
but not all of us are metrosexual beings. Population control would be better than
forcing everyone into a steel and concrete city.
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| -Ok. Airlines are being forced to put up fees. Fuck it - I say NATIONALIZE the airline industry |
HawkeyeX |
Jul-30-08 01:40 PM |
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That makes sense. (So it'll never happen) |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-30-08 01:41 PM |
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Hey I'm all for it |
Taverner |
Jul-30-08 01:43 PM |
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easy |
aspergris |
Jul-30-08 01:44 PM |
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It's long overdiue. Taxpayers have 'invested' billions in the airlines and got NO EQUITY. |
TahitiNut |
Jul-30-08 01:45 PM |
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There was a time when the airline industry was regulated. |
AndyA |
Jul-30-08 01:47 PM |
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deregulation caused long term problems, but it didn't directly cause fares to go up |
onenote |
Jul-30-08 02:28 PM |
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Couple things |
DangerDave921 |
Jul-30-08 04:28 PM |
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I was a TWA pilot then. |
trof |
Jul-31-08 09:19 AM |
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TWA was the bomb... I remember getting stuck in a blizzard in St. Louis |
JCMach1 |
Jul-31-08 12:38 PM |
#128 |
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We do need to recognize that the industry is simple unsustainable. Look at every other nation... |
SteppingRazor |
Jul-30-08 01:50 PM |
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fact check: Air France, El AL, Aer Lingus, QANTAS are all mostly privately owned |
onenote |
Jul-30-08 02:40 PM |
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Clarification: |
SteppingRazor |
Jul-30-08 03:17 PM |
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The airlines should certainly be nationalized. |
billyoc |
Jul-30-08 01:52 PM |
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At this point, that is the least expensive option.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-30-08 01:54 PM |
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No one is forcing the airlines to put up most of the new fees, like the one for checked baggage. |
Gormy Cuss |
Jul-30-08 01:55 PM |
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maybe they'll start attatching these to all the seats: |
QuestionAll |
Jul-30-08 02:06 PM |
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before we have to bail them out again after they file Ch 13 (11 or 7) they should be nationalized |
NightWatcher |
Jul-30-08 01:57 PM |
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Everyone likes their own consolidation of power |
NoMoreMyths |
Jul-30-08 01:57 PM |
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the wto represents the best effort at a 'new world order' since the sun set on the british empire. |
QuestionAll |
Jul-30-08 02:11 PM |
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Yeah |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 01:58 PM |
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Yeah, because we don't give shit to our rail industry. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 02:02 PM |
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What is your argument? |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 02:31 PM |
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Neither. Competition is fine. But passenger trains do NOT make money...not in this day and age. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 02:46 PM |
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If passenger trains don't make money |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 02:57 PM |
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What an imbecilic thought! |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 03:00 PM |
#30 |
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Answer the question |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:37 PM |
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But they do want something. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 03:44 PM |
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It is not enough for something to be wanted |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:51 PM |
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You don't need a f***ing roadster! You technically need 4 functional wheels AND a road. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 04:00 PM |
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What gives you the right to define what I need? |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:07 PM |
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I didn't say that and you goddamn know it. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 04:15 PM |
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You certainly did |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:17 PM |
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I think the question would more aptly be... |
LanternWaste |
Jul-31-08 08:02 AM |
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Well if you're going to take it to context tell the living members of this "fascist group" the same. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:43 AM |
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Actually, in most of the country, people *CAN'T* rationally choose train service. |
Tesha |
Jul-31-08 10:49 AM |
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Then build your own fucking roads |
Paint It Black |
Jul-31-08 12:01 AM |
#74 |
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Seriously. People need to put down the Free Market Koolaid once in a while. |
thecatburgler |
Jul-31-08 12:50 PM |
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Yep. If ambulances are losing money because not enough people are using them |
thecatburgler |
Jul-31-08 12:48 PM |
#130 |
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Japanese rail is privately owned |
AngryAmish |
Jul-30-08 03:42 PM |
#39 |
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You read my mind |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:56 PM |
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Look at it closer. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 04:01 PM |
#46 |
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I would agree |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:10 PM |
#51 |
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There are roads in the middle of nowhere that hardly give profit to the podunk towns they connect. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 04:17 PM |
#55 |
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Yes |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:22 PM |
#56 |
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I'd like to see an example of this Randian gloriousness where it worked out. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:49 AM |
#94 |
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You have to be kidding |
wvbygod |
Jul-31-08 09:01 AM |
#101 |
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Socialism, Libertarianism, Socialism, Libertarianism, Socialism, Libertarianism, |
RadiationTherapy |
Jul-30-08 04:40 PM |
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By whom? |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 08:55 PM |
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Logic. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:45 AM |
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I'm not really too much of a Socialist. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 09:00 AM |
#100 |
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Not quite |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-30-08 11:50 PM |
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??? |
fudge stripe cookays |
Jul-30-08 06:43 PM |
#65 |
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Well then |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 11:25 PM |
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I'm taking out east in the spring. |
fudge stripe cookays |
Jul-31-08 05:04 AM |
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I've said it before I'll say it again: |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:44 AM |
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Yay me! |
fudge stripe cookays |
Jul-31-08 12:53 PM |
#133 |
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For effective passenger rail service |
MicaelS |
Jul-31-08 08:45 AM |
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and for that you need money. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:48 AM |
#92 |
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Friend, your preaching to the choir |
MicaelS |
Jul-31-08 08:58 AM |
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I don't know how much they make off us us. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 09:29 AM |
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Yes I was |
MicaelS |
Jul-31-08 09:31 AM |
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Good on you. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 09:34 AM |
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Great idea - then you can start with the multi-billiiion dollar SUBSIDIZED airline industry... |
TankLV |
Jul-31-08 09:20 AM |
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Bogus argument... if rail could provide fast transport when and where people want to go |
JCMach1 |
Jul-31-08 12:42 PM |
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Thank you for your informed and true response. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 01:11 PM |
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That's because federal funds were drastically cut. |
AllieB |
Jul-30-08 02:33 PM |
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Why does Amtrak need public funds? |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 02:34 PM |
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Why can't the fire department or libraries? |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 02:47 PM |
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Public Goods Versus Private Goods |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:34 PM |
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Well then passenger rail would be a "Public Good" |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 03:36 PM |
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It's not |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:39 PM |
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I suggest that you read up on rail. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 03:45 PM |
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You need to read up on rail |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:55 PM |
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Bullshit. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 04:02 PM |
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Geographically, the US is not Europe or Japan |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:13 PM |
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Yup |
DangerDave921 |
Jul-30-08 04:41 PM |
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That's going to change if gas prices continue the way they are going and Amtrak gets funding |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:52 AM |
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and population dispersion will change. Gas prices are seeing to that. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 09:38 AM |
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Why do the AIRLINES need BILLIONS in subsidies? |
TankLV |
Jul-31-08 09:26 AM |
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As an Amtrak employee I find that a little offensive. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 02:55 PM |
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No offense intended. |
AllieB |
Jul-30-08 04:08 PM |
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The latest one seems to have done semi-good. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 01:09 PM |
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Nationalize? That's long overdue. Or just let them go bust. |
RedLetterRev |
Jul-30-08 02:03 PM |
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"Or just let them go bust" - reminder that tens of thousands of ppl work for those companies |
Bluebear |
Jul-30-08 02:30 PM |
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Honestly I have no problem |
RedLetterRev |
Jul-30-08 03:06 PM |
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Too bad - nobody cared about the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS who worked in STEEL... |
TankLV |
Jul-31-08 09:29 AM |
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Let them go bust |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 02:53 PM |
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According to the good folks at airliners.net, the Spanish government is investigating these fees. |
EOO |
Jul-30-08 02:48 PM |
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Hope you enjoy your $600 New York-Chicago flight, running twice daily. |
Occam Bandage |
Jul-30-08 02:56 PM |
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Everything would run through Minneapolis, Oberstar chairs the house transportation |
RGBolen |
Jul-30-08 04:32 PM |
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Oh geeze, what is this, snide libertarian greedhead pile-on day? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-30-08 11:52 PM |
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It wasn't good then either. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 08:18 AM |
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It's not a bizarre set of hops now? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 08:49 AM |
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Nowhere near as bad as back then. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 09:00 AM |
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I would trade a day or two of traveling "ease" |
hogwyld |
Jul-31-08 11:03 AM |
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ah, someone else who remembers the not so good old days |
onenote |
Jul-30-08 04:44 PM |
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Another old timer with a good memory. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 09:03 AM |
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Why not just not bail them out next time |
Mr. Blonde |
Jul-30-08 03:13 PM |
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It's because owning an airline is romantic. |
insleeforprez |
Jul-30-08 03:40 PM |
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Yes Yes Yes! |
DangerDave921 |
Jul-30-08 04:04 PM |
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Oh sure, use ridiculous examples |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 12:14 AM |
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of course it's ridiculous |
DangerDave921 |
Jul-31-08 06:29 AM |
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Some are good; some are not |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 08:43 AM |
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Could I get a federal pension? |
hawkowl88 |
Jul-30-08 04:26 PM |
#57 |
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How much do you make? |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:32 PM |
#60 |
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Yes. |
hawkowl88 |
Jul-30-08 05:48 PM |
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Only a matter of time when the planes start falling from the skies because of |
Imagevision |
Jul-30-08 11:39 PM |
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People would stop flying |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-30-08 11:41 PM |
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There were zero deaths due to accidents on commercial airlines last year and so far this year |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jul-31-08 10:13 AM |
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Anyone remember the '70s?? |
SoCalDem |
Jul-30-08 11:45 PM |
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Yee-up |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-30-08 11:57 PM |
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I remember them, Just not the way you do. |
onenote |
Jul-31-08 12:12 AM |
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Most intelligent and fact-based post I have seen in a LONG while nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Jul-31-08 10:45 AM |
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And it cost a fortune to fly back then. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 08:21 AM |
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People still got around |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 08:44 AM |
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You mean the wealthy still got around. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 08:51 AM |
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Those were the best vacations ever. I saw most of the country before I was 10. |
Marrah_G |
Jul-31-08 10:33 AM |
#118 |
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Same here. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 10:50 AM |
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MY dad taught public school so summers were the perfect time to see the country |
Marrah_G |
Jul-31-08 10:54 AM |
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My father was a Lutheran pastor, and he always negotiated for four weeks of vacation |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 12:29 PM |
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CARTER started deregulation, including airlines - not Reagan |
fed_up_mother |
Jul-31-08 09:38 AM |
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The Airline Deregulation Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by the President in 1978: |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jul-31-08 10:18 AM |
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How about we just let the airline industry die out... |
Jack_DeLeon |
Jul-31-08 04:24 AM |
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Won't work as you envision |
MicaelS |
Jul-31-08 08:56 AM |
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Do you really want the ruling party to control air travel in America even more? |
TexasObserver |
Jul-31-08 04:30 AM |
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Aeroflot. n/t |
rucky |
Jul-31-08 05:15 AM |
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That way service would be better and fares would be cheaper** |
Egalitariat |
Jul-31-08 08:38 AM |
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Great idea! Government employees running air travel. What could possibly go wrong? |
AngryAmish |
Jul-31-08 09:05 AM |
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Think FEMA |
Thothmes |
Jul-31-08 10:34 AM |
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FEMA did fine (think Grand Forks) until the Republicans took over |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 12:32 PM |
#127 |
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Of course |
Thothmes |
Jul-31-08 02:59 PM |
#136 |
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If you can guarantee that private sector companies will never be controlled |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 04:18 PM |
#137 |
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It looks like you want to nationalize to lower the pay of about 5000 people |
Dreamer Tatum |
Jul-31-08 10:55 AM |
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As a retired airline pilot, I am 100% in favor of nationalizing the airlines. |
DemoTex |
Jul-31-08 09:44 AM |
#113 |
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Southwest Airlines... |
bdab1973 |
Jul-31-08 12:49 PM |
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No - just enforce antitrust laws and remove the monopoly-type power that hubs have. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jul-31-08 09:59 AM |
#114 |
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Mass transit, Resources (Oil) and Healthcare and Daycare need to be nationalized like crazy |
librechik |
Jul-31-08 10:17 AM |
#116 |
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