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Wed Jul-30-08 03:40 PM
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| 38. It's because owning an airline is romantic. |
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In most industries, a company won't enter the market unless it can be profitable. In the airline industry, similar to, say, owning a sports franchise, some companies will enter into the market just because it's such a "fun" thing to do. See: Virgin America, SkyBus, etc.
If regulation fixed this inefficiency, I would not be opposed, but it would almost certainly go too far.
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| -Ok. Airlines are being forced to put up fees. Fuck it - I say NATIONALIZE the airline industry |
HawkeyeX |
Jul-30-08 01:40 PM |
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That makes sense. (So it'll never happen) |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-30-08 01:41 PM |
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Hey I'm all for it |
Taverner |
Jul-30-08 01:43 PM |
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easy |
aspergris |
Jul-30-08 01:44 PM |
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It's long overdiue. Taxpayers have 'invested' billions in the airlines and got NO EQUITY. |
TahitiNut |
Jul-30-08 01:45 PM |
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There was a time when the airline industry was regulated. |
AndyA |
Jul-30-08 01:47 PM |
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deregulation caused long term problems, but it didn't directly cause fares to go up |
onenote |
Jul-30-08 02:28 PM |
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Couple things |
DangerDave921 |
Jul-30-08 04:28 PM |
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I was a TWA pilot then. |
trof |
Jul-31-08 09:19 AM |
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TWA was the bomb... I remember getting stuck in a blizzard in St. Louis |
JCMach1 |
Jul-31-08 12:38 PM |
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We do need to recognize that the industry is simple unsustainable. Look at every other nation... |
SteppingRazor |
Jul-30-08 01:50 PM |
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fact check: Air France, El AL, Aer Lingus, QANTAS are all mostly privately owned |
onenote |
Jul-30-08 02:40 PM |
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Clarification: |
SteppingRazor |
Jul-30-08 03:17 PM |
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The airlines should certainly be nationalized. |
billyoc |
Jul-30-08 01:52 PM |
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At this point, that is the least expensive option.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jul-30-08 01:54 PM |
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No one is forcing the airlines to put up most of the new fees, like the one for checked baggage. |
Gormy Cuss |
Jul-30-08 01:55 PM |
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maybe they'll start attatching these to all the seats: |
QuestionAll |
Jul-30-08 02:06 PM |
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before we have to bail them out again after they file Ch 13 (11 or 7) they should be nationalized |
NightWatcher |
Jul-30-08 01:57 PM |
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Everyone likes their own consolidation of power |
NoMoreMyths |
Jul-30-08 01:57 PM |
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the wto represents the best effort at a 'new world order' since the sun set on the british empire. |
QuestionAll |
Jul-30-08 02:11 PM |
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Yeah |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 01:58 PM |
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Yeah, because we don't give shit to our rail industry. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 02:02 PM |
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What is your argument? |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 02:31 PM |
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Neither. Competition is fine. But passenger trains do NOT make money...not in this day and age. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 02:46 PM |
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If passenger trains don't make money |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 02:57 PM |
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What an imbecilic thought! |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 03:00 PM |
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Answer the question |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:37 PM |
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But they do want something. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 03:44 PM |
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It is not enough for something to be wanted |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:51 PM |
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You don't need a f***ing roadster! You technically need 4 functional wheels AND a road. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 04:00 PM |
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What gives you the right to define what I need? |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:07 PM |
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I didn't say that and you goddamn know it. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 04:15 PM |
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You certainly did |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:17 PM |
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I think the question would more aptly be... |
LanternWaste |
Jul-31-08 08:02 AM |
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Well if you're going to take it to context tell the living members of this "fascist group" the same. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:43 AM |
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Actually, in most of the country, people *CAN'T* rationally choose train service. |
Tesha |
Jul-31-08 10:49 AM |
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Then build your own fucking roads |
Paint It Black |
Jul-31-08 12:01 AM |
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Seriously. People need to put down the Free Market Koolaid once in a while. |
thecatburgler |
Jul-31-08 12:50 PM |
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Yep. If ambulances are losing money because not enough people are using them |
thecatburgler |
Jul-31-08 12:48 PM |
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Japanese rail is privately owned |
AngryAmish |
Jul-30-08 03:42 PM |
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You read my mind |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:56 PM |
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Look at it closer. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 04:01 PM |
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I would agree |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:10 PM |
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There are roads in the middle of nowhere that hardly give profit to the podunk towns they connect. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 04:17 PM |
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Yes |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:22 PM |
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I'd like to see an example of this Randian gloriousness where it worked out. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:49 AM |
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You have to be kidding |
wvbygod |
Jul-31-08 09:01 AM |
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Socialism, Libertarianism, Socialism, Libertarianism, Socialism, Libertarianism, |
RadiationTherapy |
Jul-30-08 04:40 PM |
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By whom? |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 08:55 PM |
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Logic. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:45 AM |
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I'm not really too much of a Socialist. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 09:00 AM |
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Not quite |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-30-08 11:50 PM |
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??? |
fudge stripe cookays |
Jul-30-08 06:43 PM |
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Well then |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 11:25 PM |
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I'm taking out east in the spring. |
fudge stripe cookays |
Jul-31-08 05:04 AM |
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I've said it before I'll say it again: |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:44 AM |
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Yay me! |
fudge stripe cookays |
Jul-31-08 12:53 PM |
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For effective passenger rail service |
MicaelS |
Jul-31-08 08:45 AM |
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and for that you need money. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:48 AM |
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Friend, your preaching to the choir |
MicaelS |
Jul-31-08 08:58 AM |
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I don't know how much they make off us us. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 09:29 AM |
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Yes I was |
MicaelS |
Jul-31-08 09:31 AM |
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Good on you. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 09:34 AM |
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Great idea - then you can start with the multi-billiiion dollar SUBSIDIZED airline industry... |
TankLV |
Jul-31-08 09:20 AM |
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Bogus argument... if rail could provide fast transport when and where people want to go |
JCMach1 |
Jul-31-08 12:42 PM |
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Thank you for your informed and true response. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 01:11 PM |
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That's because federal funds were drastically cut. |
AllieB |
Jul-30-08 02:33 PM |
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Why does Amtrak need public funds? |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 02:34 PM |
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Why can't the fire department or libraries? |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 02:47 PM |
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Public Goods Versus Private Goods |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:34 PM |
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Well then passenger rail would be a "Public Good" |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 03:36 PM |
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It's not |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:39 PM |
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I suggest that you read up on rail. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 03:45 PM |
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You need to read up on rail |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 03:55 PM |
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Bullshit. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 04:02 PM |
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Geographically, the US is not Europe or Japan |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:13 PM |
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Yup |
DangerDave921 |
Jul-30-08 04:41 PM |
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That's going to change if gas prices continue the way they are going and Amtrak gets funding |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 08:52 AM |
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and population dispersion will change. Gas prices are seeing to that. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 09:38 AM |
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Why do the AIRLINES need BILLIONS in subsidies? |
TankLV |
Jul-31-08 09:26 AM |
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As an Amtrak employee I find that a little offensive. |
YOY |
Jul-30-08 02:55 PM |
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No offense intended. |
AllieB |
Jul-30-08 04:08 PM |
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The latest one seems to have done semi-good. |
YOY |
Jul-31-08 01:09 PM |
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Nationalize? That's long overdue. Or just let them go bust. |
RedLetterRev |
Jul-30-08 02:03 PM |
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"Or just let them go bust" - reminder that tens of thousands of ppl work for those companies |
Bluebear |
Jul-30-08 02:30 PM |
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Honestly I have no problem |
RedLetterRev |
Jul-30-08 03:06 PM |
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Too bad - nobody cared about the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS who worked in STEEL... |
TankLV |
Jul-31-08 09:29 AM |
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Let them go bust |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 02:53 PM |
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According to the good folks at airliners.net, the Spanish government is investigating these fees. |
EOO |
Jul-30-08 02:48 PM |
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Hope you enjoy your $600 New York-Chicago flight, running twice daily. |
Occam Bandage |
Jul-30-08 02:56 PM |
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Everything would run through Minneapolis, Oberstar chairs the house transportation |
RGBolen |
Jul-30-08 04:32 PM |
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Oh geeze, what is this, snide libertarian greedhead pile-on day? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-30-08 11:52 PM |
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It wasn't good then either. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 08:18 AM |
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It's not a bizarre set of hops now? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 08:49 AM |
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Nowhere near as bad as back then. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 09:00 AM |
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I would trade a day or two of traveling "ease" |
hogwyld |
Jul-31-08 11:03 AM |
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ah, someone else who remembers the not so good old days |
onenote |
Jul-30-08 04:44 PM |
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Another old timer with a good memory. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 09:03 AM |
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Why not just not bail them out next time |
Mr. Blonde |
Jul-30-08 03:13 PM |
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It's because owning an airline is romantic. |
insleeforprez |
Jul-30-08 03:40 PM |
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Yes Yes Yes! |
DangerDave921 |
Jul-30-08 04:04 PM |
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Oh sure, use ridiculous examples |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 12:14 AM |
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of course it's ridiculous |
DangerDave921 |
Jul-31-08 06:29 AM |
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Some are good; some are not |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 08:43 AM |
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Could I get a federal pension? |
hawkowl88 |
Jul-30-08 04:26 PM |
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How much do you make? |
Nederland |
Jul-30-08 04:32 PM |
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Yes. |
hawkowl88 |
Jul-30-08 05:48 PM |
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Only a matter of time when the planes start falling from the skies because of |
Imagevision |
Jul-30-08 11:39 PM |
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People would stop flying |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-30-08 11:41 PM |
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There were zero deaths due to accidents on commercial airlines last year and so far this year |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jul-31-08 10:13 AM |
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Anyone remember the '70s?? |
SoCalDem |
Jul-30-08 11:45 PM |
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Yee-up |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-30-08 11:57 PM |
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I remember them, Just not the way you do. |
onenote |
Jul-31-08 12:12 AM |
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Most intelligent and fact-based post I have seen in a LONG while nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Jul-31-08 10:45 AM |
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And it cost a fortune to fly back then. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 08:21 AM |
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People still got around |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 08:44 AM |
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You mean the wealthy still got around. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 08:51 AM |
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Those were the best vacations ever. I saw most of the country before I was 10. |
Marrah_G |
Jul-31-08 10:33 AM |
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Same here. |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-31-08 10:50 AM |
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MY dad taught public school so summers were the perfect time to see the country |
Marrah_G |
Jul-31-08 10:54 AM |
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My father was a Lutheran pastor, and he always negotiated for four weeks of vacation |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 12:29 PM |
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CARTER started deregulation, including airlines - not Reagan |
fed_up_mother |
Jul-31-08 09:38 AM |
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The Airline Deregulation Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by the President in 1978: |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jul-31-08 10:18 AM |
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How about we just let the airline industry die out... |
Jack_DeLeon |
Jul-31-08 04:24 AM |
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Won't work as you envision |
MicaelS |
Jul-31-08 08:56 AM |
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Do you really want the ruling party to control air travel in America even more? |
TexasObserver |
Jul-31-08 04:30 AM |
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Aeroflot. n/t |
rucky |
Jul-31-08 05:15 AM |
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That way service would be better and fares would be cheaper** |
Egalitariat |
Jul-31-08 08:38 AM |
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Great idea! Government employees running air travel. What could possibly go wrong? |
AngryAmish |
Jul-31-08 09:05 AM |
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Think FEMA |
Thothmes |
Jul-31-08 10:34 AM |
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FEMA did fine (think Grand Forks) until the Republicans took over |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 12:32 PM |
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Of course |
Thothmes |
Jul-31-08 02:59 PM |
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If you can guarantee that private sector companies will never be controlled |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-31-08 04:18 PM |
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It looks like you want to nationalize to lower the pay of about 5000 people |
Dreamer Tatum |
Jul-31-08 10:55 AM |
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As a retired airline pilot, I am 100% in favor of nationalizing the airlines. |
DemoTex |
Jul-31-08 09:44 AM |
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Southwest Airlines... |
bdab1973 |
Jul-31-08 12:49 PM |
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No - just enforce antitrust laws and remove the monopoly-type power that hubs have. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jul-31-08 09:59 AM |
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Mass transit, Resources (Oil) and Healthcare and Daycare need to be nationalized like crazy |
librechik |
Jul-31-08 10:17 AM |
#116 |
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