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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:30 PM
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18. "Or just let them go bust" - reminder that tens of thousands of ppl work for those companies
Nationalize, yes. Oust the gilded-CEO's yes. but leave the working people out of it.
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  -Ok. Airlines are being forced to put up fees. Fuck it - I say NATIONALIZE the airline industry HawkeyeX  Jul-30-08 01:40 PM   #0 
  - That makes sense. (So it'll never happen)  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-30-08 01:41 PM   #1 
  - Hey I'm all for it  Taverner   Jul-30-08 01:43 PM   #2 
  - easy  aspergris   Jul-30-08 01:44 PM   #3 
  - It's long overdiue. Taxpayers have 'invested' billions in the airlines and got NO EQUITY.  TahitiNut   Jul-30-08 01:45 PM   #4 
  - There was a time when the airline industry was regulated.  AndyA   Jul-30-08 01:47 PM   #5 
  - deregulation caused long term problems, but it didn't directly cause fares to go up  onenote   Jul-30-08 02:28 PM   #17 
  - Couple things  DangerDave921   Jul-30-08 04:28 PM   #58 
  - I was a TWA pilot then.  trof   Jul-31-08 09:19 AM   #104 
     - TWA was the bomb... I remember getting stuck in a blizzard in St. Louis  JCMach1   Jul-31-08 12:38 PM   #128 
  - We do need to recognize that the industry is simple unsustainable. Look at every other nation...  SteppingRazor   Jul-30-08 01:50 PM   #6 
  - fact check: Air France, El AL, Aer Lingus, QANTAS are all mostly privately owned  onenote   Jul-30-08 02:40 PM   #22 
     - Clarification:  SteppingRazor   Jul-30-08 03:17 PM   #33 
  - The airlines should certainly be nationalized.  billyoc   Jul-30-08 01:52 PM   #7 
  - At this point, that is the least expensive option..  Virginia Dare   Jul-30-08 01:54 PM   #8 
  - No one is forcing the airlines to put up most of the new fees, like the one for checked baggage.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-30-08 01:55 PM   #9 
  - maybe they'll start attatching these to all the seats:  QuestionAll   Jul-30-08 02:06 PM   #15 
  - before we have to bail them out again after they file Ch 13 (11 or 7) they should be nationalized  NightWatcher   Jul-30-08 01:57 PM   #10 
  - Everyone likes their own consolidation of power  NoMoreMyths   Jul-30-08 01:57 PM   #11 
  - the wto represents the best effort at a 'new world order' since the sun set on the british empire.  QuestionAll   Jul-30-08 02:11 PM   #16 
  - Yeah  Nederland   Jul-30-08 01:58 PM   #12 
  - Yeah, because we don't give shit to our rail industry.  YOY   Jul-30-08 02:02 PM   #13 
  - What is your argument?  Nederland   Jul-30-08 02:31 PM   #19 
     - Neither. Competition is fine. But passenger trains do NOT make money...not in this day and age.  YOY   Jul-30-08 02:46 PM   #23 
        - If passenger trains don't make money  Nederland   Jul-30-08 02:57 PM   #29 
           - What an imbecilic thought!  YOY   Jul-30-08 03:00 PM   #30 
           - Answer the question  Nederland   Jul-30-08 03:37 PM   #36 
           - But they do want something.  YOY   Jul-30-08 03:44 PM   #40 
           - It is not enough for something to be wanted  Nederland   Jul-30-08 03:51 PM   #42 
              - You don't need a f***ing roadster! You technically need 4 functional wheels AND a road.  YOY   Jul-30-08 04:00 PM   #45 
              - What gives you the right to define what I need?  Nederland   Jul-30-08 04:07 PM   #49 
                 - I didn't say that and you goddamn know it.  YOY   Jul-30-08 04:15 PM   #53 
                    - You certainly did  Nederland   Jul-30-08 04:17 PM   #54 
                       - I think the question would more aptly be...  LanternWaste   Jul-31-08 08:02 AM   #82 
                       - Well if you're going to take it to context tell the living members of this "fascist group" the same.  YOY   Jul-31-08 08:43 AM   #87 
              - Actually, in most of the country, people *CAN'T* rationally choose train service.  Tesha   Jul-31-08 10:49 AM   #121 
           - Then build your own fucking roads  Paint It Black   Jul-31-08 12:01 AM   #74 
           - Seriously. People need to put down the Free Market Koolaid once in a while.  thecatburgler   Jul-31-08 12:50 PM   #132 
           - Yep. If ambulances are losing money because not enough people are using them  thecatburgler   Jul-31-08 12:48 PM   #130 
           - Japanese rail is privately owned  AngryAmish   Jul-30-08 03:42 PM   #39 
              - You read my mind  Nederland   Jul-30-08 03:56 PM   #44 
              - Look at it closer.  YOY   Jul-30-08 04:01 PM   #46 
                 - I would agree  Nederland   Jul-30-08 04:10 PM   #51 
                    - There are roads in the middle of nowhere that hardly give profit to the podunk towns they connect.  YOY   Jul-30-08 04:17 PM   #55 
                       - Yes  Nederland   Jul-30-08 04:22 PM   #56 
                       - I'd like to see an example of this Randian gloriousness where it worked out.  YOY   Jul-31-08 08:49 AM   #94 
                       - You have to be kidding  wvbygod   Jul-31-08 09:01 AM   #101 
                       - Socialism, Libertarianism, Socialism, Libertarianism, Socialism, Libertarianism,  RadiationTherapy   Jul-30-08 04:40 PM   #61 
                          - By whom?  Nederland   Jul-30-08 08:55 PM   #66 
                          - Logic.  YOY   Jul-31-08 08:45 AM   #91 
                          - I'm not really too much of a Socialist.  YOY   Jul-31-08 09:00 AM   #100 
              - Not quite  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-30-08 11:50 PM   #71 
           - ???  fudge stripe cookays   Jul-30-08 06:43 PM   #65 
           - Well then  Nederland   Jul-30-08 11:25 PM   #67 
              - I'm taking out east in the spring.  fudge stripe cookays   Jul-31-08 05:04 AM   #79 
                 - I've said it before I'll say it again:  YOY   Jul-31-08 08:44 AM   #89 
                    - Yay me!  fudge stripe cookays   Jul-31-08 12:53 PM   #133 
           - For effective passenger rail service  MicaelS   Jul-31-08 08:45 AM   #90 
           - and for that you need money.  YOY   Jul-31-08 08:48 AM   #92 
              - Friend, your preaching to the choir  MicaelS   Jul-31-08 08:58 AM   #98 
                 - I don't know how much they make off us us.  YOY   Jul-31-08 09:29 AM   #108 
                    - Yes I was  MicaelS   Jul-31-08 09:31 AM   #109 
                       - Good on you.  YOY   Jul-31-08 09:34 AM   #110 
           - Great idea - then you can start with the multi-billiiion dollar SUBSIDIZED airline industry...  TankLV   Jul-31-08 09:20 AM   #105 
           - Bogus argument... if rail could provide fast transport when and where people want to go  JCMach1   Jul-31-08 12:42 PM   #129 
              - Thank you for your informed and true response.  YOY   Jul-31-08 01:11 PM   #135 
  - That's because federal funds were drastically cut.  AllieB   Jul-30-08 02:33 PM   #20 
     - Why does Amtrak need public funds?  Nederland   Jul-30-08 02:34 PM   #21 
     - Why can't the fire department or libraries?  YOY   Jul-30-08 02:47 PM   #24 
     - Public Goods Versus Private Goods  Nederland   Jul-30-08 03:34 PM   #34 
        - Well then passenger rail would be a "Public Good"  YOY   Jul-30-08 03:36 PM   #35 
           - It's not  Nederland   Jul-30-08 03:39 PM   #37 
              - I suggest that you read up on rail.  YOY   Jul-30-08 03:45 PM   #41 
                 - You need to read up on rail  Nederland   Jul-30-08 03:55 PM   #43 
                    - Bullshit.  YOY   Jul-30-08 04:02 PM   #47 
                       - Geographically, the US is not Europe or Japan  Nederland   Jul-30-08 04:13 PM   #52 
                          - Yup  DangerDave921   Jul-30-08 04:41 PM   #62 
                          - That's going to change if gas prices continue the way they are going and Amtrak gets funding  YOY   Jul-31-08 08:52 AM   #96 
                          - and population dispersion will change. Gas prices are seeing to that.  YOY   Jul-31-08 09:38 AM   #111 
     - Why do the AIRLINES need BILLIONS in subsidies?  TankLV   Jul-31-08 09:26 AM   #106 
     - As an Amtrak employee I find that a little offensive.  YOY   Jul-30-08 02:55 PM   #27 
        - No offense intended.  AllieB   Jul-30-08 04:08 PM   #50 
           - The latest one seems to have done semi-good.  YOY   Jul-31-08 01:09 PM   #134 
  - Nationalize? That's long overdue. Or just let them go bust.  RedLetterRev   Jul-30-08 02:03 PM   #14 
  - "Or just let them go bust" - reminder that tens of thousands of ppl work for those companies  Bluebear   Jul-30-08 02:30 PM   #18 
  - Honestly I have no problem  RedLetterRev   Jul-30-08 03:06 PM   #31 
  - Too bad - nobody cared about the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS who worked in STEEL...  TankLV   Jul-31-08 09:29 AM   #107 
  - Let them go bust  Nederland   Jul-30-08 02:53 PM   #26 
  - According to the good folks at airliners.net, the Spanish government is investigating these fees.  EOO   Jul-30-08 02:48 PM   #25 
  - Hope you enjoy your $600 New York-Chicago flight, running twice daily.  Occam Bandage   Jul-30-08 02:56 PM   #28 
  - Everything would run through Minneapolis, Oberstar chairs the house transportation  RGBolen   Jul-30-08 04:32 PM   #59 
  - Oh geeze, what is this, snide libertarian greedhead pile-on day?  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-30-08 11:52 PM   #72 
     - It wasn't good then either.  cobalt1999   Jul-31-08 08:18 AM   #83 
        - It's not a bizarre set of hops now?  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-31-08 08:49 AM   #93 
           - Nowhere near as bad as back then.  cobalt1999   Jul-31-08 09:00 AM   #99 
              - I would trade a day or two of traveling "ease"  hogwyld   Jul-31-08 11:03 AM   #125 
  - ah, someone else who remembers the not so good old days  onenote   Jul-30-08 04:44 PM   #63 
     - Another old timer with a good memory.  cobalt1999   Jul-31-08 09:03 AM   #102 
  - Why not just not bail them out next time  Mr. Blonde   Jul-30-08 03:13 PM   #32 
  - It's because owning an airline is romantic.  insleeforprez   Jul-30-08 03:40 PM   #38 
  - Yes Yes Yes!  DangerDave921   Jul-30-08 04:04 PM   #48 
  - Oh sure, use ridiculous examples  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-31-08 12:14 AM   #76 
     - of course it's ridiculous  DangerDave921   Jul-31-08 06:29 AM   #81 
        - Some are good; some are not  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-31-08 08:43 AM   #86 
  - Could I get a federal pension?  hawkowl88   Jul-30-08 04:26 PM   #57 
  - How much do you make?  Nederland   Jul-30-08 04:32 PM   #60 
     - Yes.  hawkowl88   Jul-30-08 05:48 PM   #64 
  - Only a matter of time when the planes start falling from the skies because of  Imagevision   Jul-30-08 11:39 PM   #68 
  - People would stop flying  Hippo_Tron   Jul-30-08 11:41 PM   #69 
  - There were zero deaths due to accidents on commercial airlines last year and so far this year  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-31-08 10:13 AM   #115 
  - Anyone remember the '70s??  SoCalDem   Jul-30-08 11:45 PM   #70 
  - Yee-up  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-30-08 11:57 PM   #73 
  - I remember them, Just not the way you do.  onenote   Jul-31-08 12:12 AM   #75 
  - Most intelligent and fact-based post I have seen in a LONG while nt  Dreamer Tatum   Jul-31-08 10:45 AM   #120 
  - And it cost a fortune to fly back then.  cobalt1999   Jul-31-08 08:21 AM   #84 
  - People still got around  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-31-08 08:44 AM   #88 
     - You mean the wealthy still got around.  cobalt1999   Jul-31-08 08:51 AM   #95 
        - Those were the best vacations ever. I saw most of the country before I was 10.  Marrah_G   Jul-31-08 10:33 AM   #118 
           - Same here.  cobalt1999   Jul-31-08 10:50 AM   #122 
           - MY dad taught public school so summers were the perfect time to see the country  Marrah_G   Jul-31-08 10:54 AM   #123 
           - My father was a Lutheran pastor, and he always negotiated for four weeks of vacation  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-31-08 12:29 PM   #126 
  - CARTER started deregulation, including airlines - not Reagan  fed_up_mother   Jul-31-08 09:38 AM   #112 
  - The Airline Deregulation Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by the President in 1978:  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-31-08 10:18 AM   #117 
  - How about we just let the airline industry die out...  Jack_DeLeon   Jul-31-08 04:24 AM   #77 
  - Won't work as you envision  MicaelS   Jul-31-08 08:56 AM   #97 
  - Do you really want the ruling party to control air travel in America even more?  TexasObserver   Jul-31-08 04:30 AM   #78 
  - Aeroflot. n/t  rucky   Jul-31-08 05:15 AM   #80 
  - That way service would be better and fares would be cheaper**  Egalitariat   Jul-31-08 08:38 AM   #85 
  - Great idea! Government employees running air travel. What could possibly go wrong?  AngryAmish   Jul-31-08 09:05 AM   #103 
  - Think FEMA  Thothmes   Jul-31-08 10:34 AM   #119 
  - FEMA did fine (think Grand Forks) until the Republicans took over  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-31-08 12:32 PM   #127 
     - Of course  Thothmes   Jul-31-08 02:59 PM   #136 
        - If you can guarantee that private sector companies will never be controlled  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-31-08 04:18 PM   #137 
  - It looks like you want to nationalize to lower the pay of about 5000 people  Dreamer Tatum   Jul-31-08 10:55 AM   #124 
  - As a retired airline pilot, I am 100% in favor of nationalizing the airlines.  DemoTex   Jul-31-08 09:44 AM   #113 
  - Southwest Airlines...  bdab1973   Jul-31-08 12:49 PM   #131 
  - No - just enforce antitrust laws and remove the monopoly-type power that hubs have. (nt)  redqueen   Jul-31-08 09:59 AM   #114 
  - Mass transit, Resources (Oil) and Healthcare and Daycare need to be nationalized like crazy  librechik   Jul-31-08 10:17 AM   #116 
 

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