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Fri Aug-01-08 04:31 AM
Response to Reply #78 |
| 127. So I guess you didn't actually read the article. Just spouting NRA talking points... |
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"Sapone's earliest known private intelligence operation occurred in the mid-1980s, when she served as an operative for Perceptions International, a Connecticut-based security firm. Working for Perceptions, which has since been shuttered, she infiltrated the animal rights community for US Surgical Corporation, a target of activists who objected to its testing on dogs. According to a 1989 article in New England Business, Sapone appeared on the animal rights scene in 1986 and quickly became "involved in at least a half dozen animal rights groups." She "made a point of getting to know all of the key people in the movement," and "traveled around the country to most protests, meetings and conferences." At meetings, activists would later say, Sapone advocated taking illegal or violent action to advance the movement. She befriended a 33-year-old activist named Fran Trutt, who in November 1988 would be arrested for planting a remote-controlled pipe bomb near the parking space of US Surgical chairman Leon Hirsch. According to Trutt, on her way to carry out the bombing she lost her nerve and placed a call to Sapone, who convinced her to follow through with the plan—a fact that prompted activists to accuse Sapone of acting as an agent provocateur. (Another Perceptions International operative, Marcus Mead, drove Trutt to US Surgical on the day of the attempted bombing.)"
That is a quote right from the article.
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| -MOTHERJONES: Unmasking a Gun Lobby Mole |
Segami |
Jul-30-08 12:00 PM |
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and yet many -- even on this board -- allow themselves to be bamboozled by the NRA, not seeing them |
villager |
Jul-30-08 12:03 PM |
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Deception can penetrate even the sharpest of nimble minds. |
Segami |
Jul-30-08 12:09 PM |
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And many continue to be brainwashed by the Republican Brady Bunch. |
fl410 |
Jul-30-08 12:10 PM |
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So... you're imagining the NRA hasn't been a faithful GOP tool for decades? |
villager |
Jul-30-08 12:16 PM |
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Not at all. The GOP has played them for fools just like it has done with nearly half of |
fl410 |
Jul-30-08 12:57 PM |
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Once again, its DEJA VU all over again and the Rovian tactics are starting to see daylight |
Segami |
Jul-30-08 01:32 PM |
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It's always possible I didn't, but... |
villager |
Jul-31-08 01:59 AM |
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Don't you remember what Jim Brady's job was when he got shot? |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 10:12 AM |
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Oh, I remember. |
villager |
Jul-31-08 10:54 AM |
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Yes, I am generally anti-Brady |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 12:04 PM |
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"bans on ordinary civilian sporting and self-defense firearms" Such as? |
Junkdrawer |
Jul-31-08 12:11 PM |
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Go to http://www.thomas.gov and look up HR 1022 |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 12:25 PM |
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The Assault Weapons Ban....Are those words so hard to use? |
Junkdrawer |
Jul-31-08 12:32 PM |
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The AR-15 is the most common rifle used in serious centerfire rifle matches |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 12:40 PM |
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I rest my case. n/t |
Junkdrawer |
Jul-31-08 12:41 PM |
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You have made no effort to understand my position |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 12:44 PM |
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Unless I am mistaken... |
Dimensio0 |
Jul-31-08 01:54 PM |
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AR-15s are increasingly popular for target shooting |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 01:58 PM |
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Junkdrawer probably thinks an AR-15 is a machine gun |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 02:07 PM |
#76 |
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Too much Slackmaster! |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 02:13 PM |
#79 |
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He certainly doesn't show many signs of having an open mind |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 02:15 PM |
#80 |
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Are you going to let the gun-control movement define your vocabulary for you? |
derby378 |
Jul-31-08 02:39 PM |
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It's the most common centerfire target rifle in the USA... |
benEzra |
Aug-05-08 10:12 PM |
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Such as anything less than a fully automatic firearm. |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 01:52 PM |
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Hmm. So I did understand your original post. |
villager |
Jul-31-08 12:51 PM |
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People who advocate unlimited restrictions on firearms made the NRA what it is today |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 12:54 PM |
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nice talking point -- "the NRA isn't responsible for what it does! *You* are!" |
villager |
Jul-31-08 06:27 PM |
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You haven't done jack shit as far as I can tell |
slackmaster |
Aug-01-08 10:40 AM |
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Nice cogent, clearheaded projection-laden response there, Slackmaster |
villager |
Aug-01-08 11:46 AM |
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And I commend you for your prejudiced, ingnorance-rich personal attacks |
slackmaster |
Aug-01-08 12:53 PM |
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boy, you're really riled up today -- perhaps some time on the shooting range is in order? |
villager |
Aug-01-08 12:58 PM |
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I haven't been to a range in about a year, you may be right |
slackmaster |
Aug-01-08 01:02 PM |
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"hater?" Have you re-read your last two posts to me lately? |
villager |
Aug-01-08 01:13 PM |
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Do look at your own posts some time |
slackmaster |
Aug-01-08 01:18 PM |
#147 |
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umm... glass houses? |
villager |
Aug-01-08 01:40 PM |
#149 |
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More like pots and kettles |
slackmaster |
Aug-01-08 01:44 PM |
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We'll let your metaphor stand |
villager |
Aug-01-08 01:50 PM |
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Wonder why that was? |
tburnsten |
Aug-05-08 10:35 AM |
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The NRA has been a faithful pro-gun organization for over a century |
krispos42 |
Jul-31-08 10:19 AM |
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Please post citations for this claim. |
pipoman |
Jul-31-08 06:05 AM |
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Thank you for proving his point. |
baldguy |
Jul-31-08 06:39 AM |
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Pretty simplistic |
pipoman |
Jul-31-08 06:47 AM |
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I'm a Life Member of the NRA |
Ezlivin |
Jul-31-08 04:42 PM |
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Thanks |
pipoman |
Jul-31-08 07:18 PM |
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She was a gun-control advocate before she began working for the NRA, it looks like |
krispos42 |
Jul-31-08 10:13 AM |
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I'm not an NRA supporter, but they do provide a lot of useful technical information |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 10:17 AM |
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and she is one of the tips of the moleberg |
ensho |
Jul-30-08 12:08 PM |
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This has been going on 24/7 for the last 8 years. Time to purge these pricks. |
Segami |
Jul-30-08 12:10 PM |
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"confirm for me the way that the gun lobby works, which is no rules, no question of fairness |
Swede |
Jul-30-08 01:29 PM |
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Ahh, Mr. Miller... |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 01:23 PM |
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"Cry me a river!" |
D__S |
Jul-31-08 02:28 PM |
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What a PANTLOAD!!! |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 02:36 PM |
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What a joke... |
Nabeshin |
Jul-31-08 02:41 PM |
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Mary was an "agent provocateur" in the animal rights movement |
TheBorealAvenger |
Jul-30-08 01:51 PM |
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I wonder what her next ' mission ' will be and who'll foot the bill? It would seem that you can't |
Segami |
Jul-30-08 01:58 PM |
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With any luck her face will be plastered on every progressive group's meeting room bulletin board |
Hekate |
Jul-31-08 02:16 AM |
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My gods, she convinced an animal-rights activist to plant a pipe bomb |
Hekate |
Jul-31-08 02:33 AM |
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Like the FBI/CIA in the 60s |
Nevernose |
Jul-31-08 04:11 AM |
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That is fucked up |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 01:32 PM |
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Do the math |
Tejas |
Jul-31-08 06:06 AM |
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I see nothing wrong with her actions. |
D__S |
Jul-31-08 06:38 AM |
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Wow. Just wow.... |
Junkdrawer |
Jul-31-08 06:47 AM |
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May I second that "wow"? |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jul-31-08 10:41 AM |
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There certainly are |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 04:09 PM |
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Let me second your second... |
truebrit71 |
Jul-31-08 04:37 PM |
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That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. |
alarimer |
Jul-31-08 07:38 AM |
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You forgot the :sarcasm: tag |
baldguy |
Jul-31-08 08:02 AM |
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the first three groups you mentioned have a history of murders and bombings |
Blue_Tires |
Jul-31-08 08:07 AM |
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True... |
D__S |
Jul-31-08 08:25 AM |
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And the NRA is spying on their political opposition |
baldguy |
Jul-31-08 09:11 AM |
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they never were on the side of Freedom |
fascisthunter |
Jul-31-08 10:20 AM |
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Umm, NRA is not a government agency |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 01:37 PM |
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There's a saying... |
D__S |
Jul-31-08 02:22 PM |
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The anti-slavery movement deprived citizens of one of their constitutional rights. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-31-08 09:54 AM |
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You do realize your beliefs are in the |
pipoman |
Jul-31-08 08:16 PM |
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Every one of those sites |
michreject |
Jul-31-08 09:40 AM |
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I'm Not Surprised You'd Feel That Way Considering you have |
fascisthunter |
Jul-31-08 10:18 AM |
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"Time to take the meds...."?!?!?! |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 10:29 AM |
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No sweat off my balls. |
D__S |
Jul-31-08 02:24 PM |
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Chill... |
derby378 |
Jul-31-08 02:52 PM |
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Sentiments I agree with. |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 01:50 PM |
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Mother Jones is FOS. |
old mark |
Jul-31-08 09:16 AM |
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Wow...now isn't that a steaming pile of horsehit... |
truebrit71 |
Jul-31-08 10:53 AM |
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Which part isn't true? |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 01:44 PM |
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Banning handguns is NOT a progressive trait anymore? |
truebrit71 |
Jul-31-08 02:55 PM |
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What is "progressive" about banning handguns? |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 03:05 PM |
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Outlawing handguns is SO not progressive... |
derby378 |
Jul-31-08 03:05 PM |
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surrrrre |
fascisthunter |
Jul-31-08 03:09 PM |
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Sooner or later, you'll have to make a choice... |
derby378 |
Jul-31-08 03:16 PM |
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Way to not address anything I said. |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 03:22 PM |
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Re-read my answer... |
truebrit71 |
Jul-31-08 03:54 PM |
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I read it several times.. |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 04:08 PM |
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Civil rights violation? Not so much... |
truebrit71 |
Jul-31-08 04:31 PM |
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I have some news for you. |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 04:56 PM |
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You claim gun-control is a progressive issue |
tburnsten |
Aug-01-08 06:31 AM |
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It might be one |
krispos42 |
Aug-01-08 10:17 AM |
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Yes this woman who has infiltrated and promoted violence in activist groups is the real hero here. |
GreenJ |
Jul-31-08 11:06 AM |
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Why would gun control groups have any secrets to keep from us? |
wvbygod |
Jul-31-08 09:47 AM |
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Whoa. That amount of spin will make you nauseous... |
Junkdrawer |
Jul-31-08 09:49 AM |
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it's pretty funny actually |
fascisthunter |
Jul-31-08 10:15 AM |
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I'm in the same boat |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 01:51 PM |
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Interesting article. |
krispos42 |
Jul-31-08 10:16 AM |
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Just a bunch of law-abiding citizens |
gratuitous |
Jul-31-08 10:17 AM |
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I agree wholeheartedly |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 01:56 PM |
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At first I thought "Well, wonder how many Marys post here?". But... |
Junkdrawer |
Jul-31-08 02:28 PM |
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On sensibility... |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 02:47 PM |
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How silly of me...what deer hunter leaves his home without 50 caliber bullets.... |
Junkdrawer |
Jul-31-08 03:16 PM |
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What does deer hunting have to do with it? |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 03:27 PM |
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I can't believe there are people on this thread that are defending this woman |
GreenJ |
Jul-31-08 11:02 AM |
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Yes. But you probably don't live in perpetual fear that *someone*... |
Junkdrawer |
Jul-31-08 11:07 AM |
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What is liberal about gun bans? |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 02:00 PM |
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Brady Campaign's an organization that only exists to self-perpetuate - Bollocks |
TheBorealAvenger |
Jul-31-08 03:33 PM |
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The article doesn't say anything about her promoting violence |
slackmaster |
Jul-31-08 02:13 PM |
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So I guess you didn't actually read the article. Just spouting NRA talking points... |
GreenJ |
Aug-01-08 04:31 AM |
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Yes, I missed that part, thanks |
slackmaster |
Aug-01-08 10:39 AM |
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Good. |
gorfle |
Jul-31-08 11:19 AM |
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Free speech is a fundamental Constitutionally enumerated right. |
baldguy |
Jul-31-08 12:42 PM |
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Isn't government spying bub. |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 02:02 PM |
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Sure! |
gorfle |
Aug-01-08 06:39 PM |
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How to put a stop to a MMM/Brady/VPC meeting |
virginia mountainman |
Jul-31-08 12:46 PM |
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And expose them as targets to the gun freaks. |
baldguy |
Jul-31-08 12:48 PM |
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Terrible thing... |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 01:34 PM |
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Yeah like banning lethal weapons... |
truebrit71 |
Jul-31-08 03:56 PM |
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Yeah, because it would save lives, right? |
krispos42 |
Aug-01-08 10:15 AM |
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Question for you...when was the Brady Bill first enacted? |
truebrit71 |
Aug-01-08 10:19 AM |
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1993, taking effect in 1994. Some elements expired in 2004. |
krispos42 |
Aug-01-08 11:09 AM |
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"Is there any legislation that would correspond to that increase? "..I can honestly say I don't know |
truebrit71 |
Aug-01-08 11:29 AM |
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It's per-capita, not absolute |
krispos42 |
Aug-01-08 01:58 PM |
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LOL, bullshit... |
virginia mountainman |
Jul-31-08 01:42 PM |
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They have a right to ban cameras at their meetings you moron |
TheBorealAvenger |
Jul-31-08 03:36 PM |
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Uh... |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 03:43 PM |
#102 |
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You must be incredibly bored. I could think of all kinds of better things to do on a summer day |
TheBorealAvenger |
Jul-31-08 09:15 PM |
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Yea.. |
virginia mountainman |
Jul-31-08 10:56 PM |
#125 |
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Why would what I wrote lead you to believe I'm bored? |
beevul |
Aug-01-08 03:20 PM |
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Are you saying that anti-gun activists experience irrational paranoia? |
Dimensio0 |
Jul-31-08 01:56 PM |
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I would Say that Was True of Militant Gun Nuts Pushing the NRA Agenda (RW) |
fascisthunter |
Jul-31-08 04:30 PM |
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"who own guns, and they also support gun regulation." |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 04:52 PM |
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A safer society and a gun-free society do not necessary go hand-in-hand |
krispos42 |
Aug-01-08 10:42 AM |
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The Gun Control Movement Is Not "republican filled." |
Paladin |
Jul-31-08 04:28 PM |
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But it IS republican led. |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 05:01 PM |
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That Is Most Certainly NOT A Misrepresentation Of That Poll |
Paladin |
Aug-01-08 01:29 PM |
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Love to hear it? Allow me. This is how its a misrepresentation. |
beevul |
Aug-01-08 02:52 PM |
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All you objectors... |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 02:13 PM |
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Um. someone from a gun-lobby infiltrates an anti-gun group to better aid her sponsors.. |
truebrit71 |
Jul-31-08 03:59 PM |
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And it works the other way as well |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 04:13 PM |
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How odd. |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 04:18 PM |
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How odd, I have exposed your republican thought process and you obfuscate instead... |
truebrit71 |
Jul-31-08 04:36 PM |
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My republican thought process? |
beevul |
Jul-31-08 04:49 PM |
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Gun-nuts bore me... |
truebrit71 |
Aug-01-08 07:56 AM |
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Gosh...I'm...flattered? |
beevul |
Aug-01-08 02:58 PM |
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truebrit, are you another canadian? |
old mark |
Aug-01-08 08:33 AM |
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Nope. |
truebrit71 |
Aug-01-08 08:39 AM |
#132 |
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Basic Corporate Espionage |
tburnsten |
Jul-31-08 02:39 PM |
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Enemy combatant. |
NoSheep |
Jul-31-08 03:30 PM |
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This thread made me feel like I should go get a gun. |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-31-08 06:34 PM |
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i think there are a few licensed dealers on DU somewhere |
Blue_Tires |
Jul-31-08 10:56 PM |
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Most companies are non-partisan |
tburnsten |
Aug-01-08 06:46 AM |
#129 |
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Please get yourself some safety training before you pick up a gun or any other weapon |
slackmaster |
Aug-01-08 12:54 PM |
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hahaha it's not like I've never handled anything dangerous before. |
FarceOfNature |
Aug-01-08 04:08 PM |
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No worries, just shoot by yourself |
tburnsten |
Aug-01-08 06:30 PM |
#157 |
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If you found that post aggressive you really do need to stay out any discussion on guns. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-05-08 02:46 PM |
#160 |