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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 01:34 PM
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130. I guess my view is that we should push for him to do the right thing,
even when we might lose. We're bound to be disappointed sometimes, but I think it's still important on issues like FISA and retroactive immunity to keep getting our views across the best we can.
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  -How Should the Next President Deal with the Bush White House's Crimes? Octafish  Jul-26-08 11:41 AM   #0 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Jul-26-08 11:44 AM   #1 
  - Truth and Reconciliation Commission?  Octafish   Jul-26-08 12:59 PM   #22 
     - That would have to involve the victims of America's crimes, yes?  Solly Mack   Jul-26-08 04:37 PM   #58 
     - Excellent points, Solly Mack.  Octafish   Jul-26-08 09:40 PM   #73 
        - The full truth can come out in a trial  Solly Mack   Jul-27-08 08:27 AM   #105 
     - Truth Commissions are only appropriate in post civil-war situations, when trials would spark  leveymg   Jul-27-08 06:00 AM   #93 
     - Weak. that;s not NEARLY enough.  Phred42   Jul-27-08 08:20 AM   #101 
     - We Prefer Truth and Consequences!  Demeter   Jul-27-08 11:55 AM   #124 
  - Hang the bastards! nt  tmfun   Jul-26-08 11:46 AM   #2 
  - The Rosenbergs got the electric chair in 1953.  Octafish   Jul-26-08 01:03 PM   #23 
  - indicte, imprison..........  PDJane   Jul-26-08 11:46 AM   #3 
  - Gov. Siegelman would make an excellent Special Prosecutor.  Octafish   Jul-26-08 01:13 PM   #26 
  - Try them for treason and execute those who are found guilty  tularetom   Jul-26-08 11:49 AM   #4 
  - Speaking of goats...  Octafish   Jul-26-08 09:49 PM   #74 
  - as a traditionalist, I kind of like tar and feathers, myself  wordpix   Jul-27-08 08:19 AM   #100 
  - By Impeaching Nancy Pelocy for not doing her constitutional duty  FreakinDJ   Jul-26-08 11:49 AM   #5 
  - Pelosi cannot be impeached.  Thothmes   Jul-26-08 07:02 PM   #63 
  - Can you clarify? In Friday's hearing "around" impeachment ...  puebloknot   Jul-27-08 02:44 AM   #87 
     - Maybe someone doesn't know what they're talking about  madokie   Jul-27-08 06:51 AM   #96 
     - Yes. John Dean wrote an article pointing to the possible "wisdom" ...  puebloknot   Jul-27-08 02:42 PM   #133 
     - Because there's already a process in the Constitution for Members of Congress:  NYC Liberal   Jul-27-08 10:46 AM   #118 
        - Please do elaborate on the expulsion process you speak of.  puebloknot   Jul-27-08 02:54 PM   #134 
           - You don't know about expelling a member of Congress?  NYC Liberal   Jul-27-08 03:31 PM   #136 
              - It won't happen. And if it *were* undertaken ...  puebloknot   Jul-28-08 06:59 PM   #142 
                 - It's public record just like anything else  NYC Liberal   Jul-29-08 09:25 AM   #144 
  - Perhaps what we need to do is show her what we're talking about...  Octafish   Jul-26-08 10:00 PM   #76 
     - great link. thanks. but I doubt that Nanci would  bbgrunt   Jul-27-08 08:52 AM   #107 
  - K&R  lynettebro440   Jul-26-08 11:54 AM   #6 
  - Bush-Cheney crony got Iraq oil deal  Octafish   Jul-26-08 10:29 PM   #78 
  - off to the greatest page you go! K & enthusiastically R'd!!!  peacebird   Jul-26-08 11:55 AM   #7 
  - He should investigate for a while, then begin prosecution 8-9 months before midterm elections.  anonymous171   Jul-26-08 11:57 AM   #8 
  - Greenwald for AG  IDemo   Jul-26-08 12:00 PM   #9 
  - Investigate  bigwillq   Jul-26-08 12:02 PM   #10 
  - i hope that everyone realizes that NOTHING is going to be done to/about the cheney misadministration  QuestionAll   Jul-26-08 12:04 PM   #11 
  - I wouldn't even bet a cold cup of coffee against that.  exothermic   Jul-26-08 12:14 PM   #15 
  - Sad but True  FreakinDJ   Jul-26-08 12:15 PM   #16 
  - Absolutely.  Blue_In_AK   Jul-26-08 12:31 PM   #21 
  - I know, you all keep saying that, but after yesterday, I have reason to think otherwise.  Independent_Liberal   Jul-26-08 02:07 PM   #40 
  - why is that?  QuestionAll   Jul-26-08 07:22 PM   #65 
     - Perhaps I'm a bit of an optimist, but...  Independent_Liberal   Jul-26-08 08:19 PM   #66 
        - i do disagree.  QuestionAll   Jul-26-08 08:41 PM   #67 
  - they market the "Democrat vs. Republican" sports team imagery  datasuspect   Jul-26-08 03:54 PM   #56 
  - First off, let's not repeat the mistakes of the past  Canuckistanian   Jul-26-08 12:08 PM   #12 
  - I'm hoping for the Hague, myself.  intheflow   Jul-26-08 12:11 PM   #13 
  - The question is "will" not "should." If it's a Republican, nothing. If it's a Democrat,  exothermic   Jul-26-08 12:14 PM   #14 
  - Urge Congress to do its job nt  LiberalEsto   Jul-26-08 12:17 PM   #17 
  - Turn all docs over the Den Haage. and let them weigh in. Or name the jerks as "enemy combatants" &  elehhhhna   Jul-26-08 12:24 PM   #18 
  - Put them all in prison. If we don't, they'll do this again. They'll be back  Joanne98   Jul-26-08 12:29 PM   #19 
  - They'll be back and in the Congressional Ethics Office like Porter Goss.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-08 01:08 PM   #25 
     - Oh I know! That's so depressing.  Joanne98   Jul-26-08 01:53 PM   #37 
  - They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law  Blue_In_AK   Jul-26-08 12:30 PM   #20 
  - There won't be anything dealt with it seems.  mmonk   Jul-26-08 01:07 PM   #24 
  - Are we sure that crimes have been committed?  slipslidingaway   Jul-26-08 01:16 PM   #27 
  - If Democratic party leaders say there is some question  mmonk   Jul-26-08 01:18 PM   #28 
     - Well then there must not have been, maybe they were just really  slipslidingaway   Jul-26-08 01:34 PM   #33 
        - I was kidding. Of course there were clear crimes  mmonk   Jul-26-08 01:44 PM   #36 
           - Except that at least one leader in our party is not sure if crimes  slipslidingaway   Jul-26-08 02:16 PM   #44 
              - I know.  mmonk   Jul-26-08 02:42 PM   #45 
              - OK and Cass Sunstein for Supreme court???  slipslidingaway   Jul-26-08 03:03 PM   #48 
                 - Let's hope your update is true it's not certain.  mmonk   Jul-26-08 03:14 PM   #49 
                    - Yes, here is the embedded link to the National Journal article,  slipslidingaway   Jul-26-08 03:18 PM   #51 
                       - Disturbing.  mmonk   Jul-26-08 03:24 PM   #52 
                          - :(( n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-26-08 03:37 PM   #53 
                             - this is NOT a good sign. I share your :((( and raise you a (.  bbgrunt   Jul-27-08 09:01 AM   #109 
                                - :)))) Agree and posting the links below as a reference for later...  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-08 11:40 AM   #122 
              - The bright line is intent  realpolitik   Jul-27-08 12:08 PM   #126 
  - I'll bet you $1000 that he does exactly what Clinton did, nothing.  greyhound1966   Jul-26-08 01:28 PM   #29 
  - I wouldn't take you up on that bet.  happydreams   Jul-26-08 01:33 PM   #32 
     - You do have to watch what you say around here sometimes. n/t  Blue_In_AK   Jul-26-08 02:00 PM   #38 
        - "watch what you say"....  happydreams   Jul-27-08 04:57 PM   #138 
  - "Crimes" is the key word. "rule of law" Follow where the clues lead  Fuzz   Jul-26-08 01:31 PM   #30 
  - Bill Hicks had it right  RufusTFirefly   Jul-26-08 01:33 PM   #31 
  - Yes, Bill Hicks did have it right. Watch. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-27-08 01:43 AM   #81 
     - Reminds me of ...  flashl   Jul-27-08 08:39 AM   #106 
        - Precisely. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-27-08 09:55 AM   #115 
  - Cass Sunstein lifts the tent for the camel's nose  bleever   Jul-26-08 01:38 PM   #34 
  - Do you have a reason to believe we should remain  Pastiche423   Jul-26-08 06:21 PM   #60 
  - Yes,  bleever   Jul-27-08 01:42 AM   #80 
     - That's not what I meant.  Pastiche423   Jul-27-08 04:09 AM   #92 
        - I guess my view is that we should push for him to do the right thing,  bleever   Jul-27-08 01:34 PM   #130 
           - I believe you are right  Pastiche423   Jul-27-08 01:53 PM   #131 
  - bleever, Bill clinton was a very smart fellow as well but sold out our rule of law  mod mom   Jul-27-08 09:01 AM   #108 
     - I agree, mod mom.  bleever   Jul-27-08 01:31 PM   #129 
  - Bush and Cheney need to be turned over to the ICC.  Usrename   Jul-26-08 01:43 PM   #35 
  - I agree that our courts AND our political leaders  bbgrunt   Jul-27-08 09:18 AM   #110 
  - Two words  sellitman   Jul-26-08 02:01 PM   #39 
  - And then we have no grassroots movement who is writing to Congress or the press about this matter  TheBorealAvenger   Jul-26-08 02:11 PM   #41 
  - Rendition Flights To Gitmo  Me.   Jul-26-08 02:15 PM   #42 
  - They also have the right to hang themselves for dessert making it their last meal  mmonk   Jul-26-08 03:50 PM   #55 
  - I wish Glenn Greenwald (whom I respect) wouldn't call it the Iran-Contra scandal.  ArbustoBuster   Jul-26-08 02:15 PM   #43 
  - And I agree with you.  Enthusiast   Jul-27-08 09:18 AM   #111 
  - Bruce Fein and Glen Greenwald on Cass Sunstein and more...  slipslidingaway   Jul-26-08 02:56 PM   #46 
  - WTF?...so according to Cass Sunstein, * can get away with violating the constitution as long as he  mod mom   Jul-26-08 02:57 PM   #47 
  - Sunstein is beginning to give me nightmares.  bbgrunt   Jul-27-08 09:23 AM   #112 
  - I agree. Investigate and prosecute and sentence the guilty and RESTORE  Overseas   Jul-26-08 03:17 PM   #50 
  - Prosecute  Prophet 451   Jul-26-08 03:47 PM   #54 
  - Ray Of Hope  Me.   Jul-26-08 04:00 PM   #57 
  - We already have a process for dealing with them, impeachment.  Edweird   Jul-26-08 04:55 PM   #59 
  - While it's fun to dream, here's the reality.  JNelson6563   Jul-26-08 06:36 PM   #61 
  - Investigation, prosecution, revocation of citizenship, ostracism.  sofa king   Jul-26-08 06:42 PM   #62 
  - Investigate all the way back to the Y2K selections.  lpbk2713   Jul-26-08 07:06 PM   #64 
  - .  mopinko   Jul-26-08 08:43 PM   #68 
  - Your Images Are My Dreams  Care   Jul-27-08 02:12 AM   #84 
  - Arrest, Indict, Prosecute, Imprison  dpbrown   Jul-26-08 08:55 PM   #69 
  - Kick n/t  bonito   Jul-26-08 09:11 PM   #70 
  - In a "One Party" political system, with two right wings, like the one we have....  host   Jul-26-08 09:15 PM   #71 
  - Have every single person  norepubsin08   Jul-26-08 09:24 PM   #72 
  - Subpoenas, Hearings, Indictments, Trials, Verdicts  specimenfred1984   Jul-26-08 09:50 PM   #75 
  - If I Had My Way  Care   Jul-27-08 02:14 AM   #85 
     - The Same Obama that voted for FISA & Telco amnesty and calls it "the war on terror"?  host   Jul-27-08 02:34 AM   #86 
        - No, The Obama That Will Be President.  Care   Jul-27-08 11:45 AM   #123 
        - Moyer's has said what many still fear to say  sattahipdeep   Jul-27-08 12:21 PM   #128 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-08 07:43 PM   #140 
  - Seppuku.  jmowreader   Jul-26-08 10:10 PM   #77 
  - Save on prison space  wial   Jul-27-08 01:39 AM   #79 
  - Nice :)  diane in sf   Jul-27-08 03:37 AM   #91 
  - executive order  leftofthedial   Jul-27-08 01:57 AM   #82 
  - Two words...  ImForGore   Jul-27-08 02:09 AM   #83 
  - Did these a few years back....  JawJaw   Jul-27-08 02:51 AM   #88 
  - "Suicides" and "Accidents"  frog92969   Jul-27-08 03:01 AM   #89 
  - Thoroughly and severely--psychopaths have no conscience so it would be very  diane in sf   Jul-27-08 03:30 AM   #90 
  - If McCain Gets in there ..It Ain't Gonna Happen..  Razorblade02   Jul-27-08 06:39 AM   #94 
  - Maybe its time to invest in rope making  madokie   Jul-27-08 06:49 AM   #95 
  - And no pardons!!  Herdin_Cats   Jul-27-08 06:54 AM   #97 
  - What I think will happen  Tab   Jul-27-08 08:10 AM   #98 
  - first we need to IMPEACH BUSH before he PARDONS everyone else  wordpix   Jul-27-08 08:17 AM   #99 
  - Exactly!  Phred42   Jul-27-08 08:20 AM   #102 
  - What if it goes back to big Swiss banks?  Festivito   Jul-27-08 08:22 AM   #103 
  - Should a Bear shit in the woods?  Phred42   Jul-27-08 08:26 AM   #104 
  - They all should be prosecuted, but...  totodeinhere   Jul-27-08 09:36 AM   #113 
  - "Corruption in public office is treason."  formercia   Jul-27-08 09:51 AM   #114 
  - what SHOULD be done ... or what MIGHT to be done?  Martin Eden   Jul-27-08 10:26 AM   #116 
  - Dems don't have the guts to pursue Impeachment  cyclezealot   Jul-27-08 10:37 AM   #117 
  - Prosecute and convict Bushco, then send them  anotheryellowdog   Jul-27-08 11:21 AM   #119 
  - Just a note unrelated to topic, but thought I would share. LOL  lonestarnot   Jul-27-08 11:23 AM   #120 
  - And they stand to be held accountable just like every defendant when sentence is passed!  lonestarnot   Jul-27-08 11:27 AM   #121 
  - "Corruption in public office is treason."  realpolitik   Jul-27-08 11:56 AM   #125 
  - criminalizing policy disputes  klyon   Jul-27-08 12:19 PM   #127 
  - Don't get sucked into that sick web.  cleveramerican   Jul-27-08 02:21 PM   #132 
  - "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."  puebloknot   Jul-27-08 03:07 PM   #135 
     - there are a limited number of things any president can accomplish  cleveramerican   Jul-28-08 04:28 PM   #141 
        - "Hope and change" fashioned out of brushing criminality under the rug?  puebloknot   Jul-29-08 04:18 AM   #143 
           - it really is an either/or proposition  cleveramerican   Jul-29-08 02:36 PM   #145 
              - Which is why, if your math is correct, there is a *reason* ...  puebloknot   Jul-29-08 06:30 PM   #146 
  - Cart 'em off to Gitmo sans charge or trail, placing former inmates  DailyGrind51   Jul-27-08 04:19 PM   #137 
  - if nothing is done to put these criminals in prison  blues90   Jul-27-08 05:01 PM   #139 
 

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