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24. Kudos to Bill Moyers for a fine interview segment. Just when I thought
I had seen it all and had no further capacity to be outraged, I saw the incredibly moving and thought-provoking interview with Mayer.

The part that got to me yesterday was the segment in which Mayer outlined the active participation of doctors and psychologists in the torture regime. The way Mayer expressed it, the doctors and shrinks were actively participating in the torture regime, going so far as to resuscitate a detainee whose vital signs were 'cratering,' only so he could be further tortured.

At this point, I am somewhat sorry to tell DU, I no longer plan to vote for Obama in November. Sorry, but I now plan to vote 3rd party, probably McKinney and the Greens. I do not take this decision lightly, having voted Dem in every presidential and off-year election since 1980. But anyone with even a shred of decency would be calling for war crimes trials to convene immediately, not saying that no prosecutions are envisioned and that country should 'move on' (the thrust of Obama's remarks on the subject to date).
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  -DOJ Lawyers: "Lunatics Had Taken Over The Country" They Feared Cheney & Feared For Their Lives kpete  Jul-26-08 11:26 AM   #0 
  - breaking: doj lawyers were a bunch of chickenshit enablers...did NOTHING when they could  spanone   Jul-26-08 11:29 AM   #1 
  - Not quite  Warpy   Jul-26-08 11:47 AM   #6 
  - ... but the MAJORITY kept their jobs . . . only 8 out of 100 were fired .......  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 12:01 PM   #12 
  - And one was killed, er, died under suspicious circumstances, IIRC.  NCevilDUer   Jul-26-08 09:06 PM   #65 
     - So many that I can only ....  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 11:26 PM   #81 
  - I believe that probating wills requires membership in the bar.  ArbustoBuster   Jul-26-08 02:26 PM   #23 
     - They'll make great jailhouse lawyers, filing appeals and stays of execution written in pencil.  leveymg   Jul-27-08 06:08 AM   #97 
     - That's not funny.  crikkett   Jul-27-08 09:13 AM   #100 
     - And you are right on!  Enthusiast   Jul-28-08 01:56 PM   #112 
  - How many of you spend your days believing you and your family are under a constant threat?  JulieRB   Jul-26-08 02:53 PM   #26 
  - You're the chicken shit. Words are cheap. Some female lawyers have already been murdered.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jul-26-08 03:29 PM   #27 
     - I can not remember all of pieces of their stories, what were they investigating? nt  flashl   Jul-26-08 04:28 PM   #31 
     - I'm not at all sure now. But I have a feeling it was the politicization  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jul-26-08 06:49 PM   #51 
        - I remember the dead person you've mentioned: Ray Lemme. Fatal acquaintance with Rep. Speaker of  Judi Lynn   Jul-27-08 01:06 AM   #88 
        - The mills of God grind slow...  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jul-27-08 11:12 AM   #107 
        - FYI. The two US Attys deaths I vaguely remembered were linked Medicare and Medicaid fraud case.  flashl   Jul-28-08 01:28 PM   #109 
     - I agree. Walk a mile. I have been harassed until I thought I would  roguevalley   Jul-26-08 04:57 PM   #34 
        - Well, you'll be a hero of mine, as long as I remember that name.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jul-26-08 06:51 PM   #52 
           - life can be hard and shades of grey. I wish it were different.  roguevalley   Jul-26-08 07:59 PM   #61 
              - It's a very spiritual position to be in. To act in good faith, when you're in an  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jul-27-08 11:10 AM   #106 
  - I'll bet it was the one who went to the hospital to see Ashcroft  notadmblnd   Jul-26-08 11:39 AM   #2 
  - Comey came to mind right away for me.  speedoo   Jul-26-08 01:20 PM   #20 
     - and Jack Goldsmith. Here's an extract from Jeff Rosen's NYT article:  leveymg   Jul-27-08 06:21 AM   #98 
  - Rec 5  helderheid   Jul-26-08 11:41 AM   #3 
  - They were smart not to stand up to Cheney -- he murders people  melody   Jul-26-08 11:44 AM   #4 
  - Absolutely agree --- we have failed to acknowledge the political  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 12:02 PM   #13 
  - Paul Wellstone was almost certainly a Bush/Cheney victim  melody   Jul-26-08 06:05 PM   #43 
     - Absolutely . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 06:32 PM   #46 
        - I wouldn't be surprised. n/t  melody   Jul-26-08 06:47 PM   #50 
        - Ted Kennedy?  NBachers   Jul-26-08 08:53 PM   #63 
           - JFK Jr goes without saying, imo n/t  melody   Jul-26-08 10:19 PM   #70 
           - Yes . . . I have .. .  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 11:16 PM   #76 
  - Agreed - but not just Cheney, his little pet monkey is vicious too. nt  glitch   Jul-26-08 12:06 PM   #15 
  - That is a true characterization, right there.  yardwork   Jul-26-08 05:13 PM   #35 
  - Only after the Pretzel visited, when he had his attitude adjusted. n/t  fla nocount   Jul-26-08 05:38 PM   #38 
  - Absolutely but the topic wasn't Bush -- the Bush family is Murder Inc. n/t  melody   Jul-26-08 06:06 PM   #44 
     - Topic Cheney = Topic Bush, and vice versa. They are both deeply emeshed with the Texas Mafia  glitch   Jul-26-08 09:45 PM   #67 
        - They are when the topic is both of them. This topic was on Cheney  melody   Jul-26-08 10:19 PM   #69 
  - Bingo  RufusTFirefly   Jul-26-08 01:17 PM   #19 
  - The ones who are killed are also the ones they can't buy off/intimidate  melody   Jul-26-08 06:12 PM   #45 
  - Right....who do you think mailed the  femrap   Jul-26-08 02:04 PM   #22 
  - Exactly  melody   Jul-26-08 06:03 PM   #42 
  - If he is bad he must go. The American people deserve better.  bambino   Jul-26-08 07:26 PM   #58 
  - Or at least blows buckshot in your face. And then expects an apology from you.  bulloney   Jul-26-08 07:34 PM   #60 
  - And he shoots friends in the face just for fun!  PuraVidaDreamin   Jul-27-08 06:08 AM   #96 
  - Why isn't this heappening more often?  Canuckistanian   Jul-26-08 11:46 AM   #5 
  - Anyone who pays attention to history knows that communications are subject to interception.  Fumesucker   Jul-26-08 05:34 PM   #37 
  - This intimidation, blackmail, and extortion is the greatest reason  BushDespiser12   Jul-26-08 11:50 AM   #7 
  - This needs to be on the front page of DU  helderheid   Jul-26-08 11:52 AM   #8 
  - And yet, even people like Nadler, who says outright that these criminals  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-08 11:55 AM   #9 
  - Watched Nadler yesterday and he said he had previously been against . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 11:59 AM   #11 
  - Nadler, Conyers, Waxman, Watt, Jackon Lee, Wexler --  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-08 12:09 PM   #16 
     - Forget if Nadler gave a reason for not wanting to go -- but hope he's ready now-!!  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 06:40 PM   #49 
  - Thats because he is scared too  NNN0LHI   Jul-26-08 01:31 PM   #21 
     - He should be scared. I'm doing some research on Porter Goss  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-08 02:42 PM   #25 
        - Ah Pelosi opens the closet of weasels  truedelphi   Jul-26-08 04:50 PM   #33 
        - Of Course. We really are Guatemala, just on a bigger scale.  sfexpat2000   Jul-27-08 12:08 AM   #86 
        - Operation 40 was headed by Nixon . . . and Pelosi is shocking -- !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 06:53 PM   #53 
           - I know. It's a through line. Porter Gosss has been Poppy's jogging buddy  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-08 10:52 PM   #73 
              - Re Goss . ..  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 11:11 PM   #74 
                 - Could also be that Bay of Pigs offshoot, Dallas.  sfexpat2000   Jul-26-08 11:18 PM   #78 
                    - I'm worried more . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 11:23 PM   #80 
  - Went to my library the other day looking for the book -- it's on order . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-26-08 11:56 AM   #10 
  - And they are absolutely correct.  glitch   Jul-26-08 12:05 PM   #14 
  - LARTA.  CJCRANE   Jul-26-08 12:20 PM   #17 
  - Please stop demeaning Asylum dwellers  nolabels   Jul-26-08 08:59 PM   #64 
  - K & R  jazzy062   Jul-26-08 12:26 PM   #18 
  - Kudos to Bill Moyers for a fine interview segment. Just when I thought  coalition_unwilling   Jul-26-08 02:37 PM   #24 
  - The vast Criminality of the Busholini Regime is staggering.  Disturbed   Jul-26-08 03:39 PM   #28 
  - my god...  shanti   Jul-27-08 02:03 AM   #91 
  - Good to have Mayer's compilation of this information.  Overseas   Jul-26-08 03:39 PM   #29 
  - yes  shanti   Jul-27-08 02:04 AM   #92 
  - Boosh's DOJ ...  flashl   Jul-26-08 03:44 PM   #30 
  - They had good reason to be scared ..... Raymond Lemme  Botany   Jul-26-08 04:31 PM   #32 
  - We tried to tell them in 2001 didn't we?  Hubert Flottz   Jul-26-08 05:19 PM   #36 
  - When I watched Moyers' program last night, and as I read the last paragraph of your O.P.  Uncle Joe   Jul-26-08 05:45 PM   #39 
  - Just a tad. Sounds like the Onion, doesn't it?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jul-26-08 06:57 PM   #55 
  - I did what I usually do with stuff like this. Bookmarked it AND emailed it to myself  calimary   Jul-26-08 05:49 PM   #40 
  - Does anyone here really think Cheney et al will give up power quietly?  faygokid   Jul-26-08 05:51 PM   #41 
  - I fear you're right  skepticscott   Jul-26-08 06:38 PM   #48 
  - agree  ensho   Jul-27-08 10:21 AM   #104 
  - Based on what I"ve heard for a long time and also what is being posted here it's not hard to  bertman   Jul-26-08 06:37 PM   #47 
  - Didn't Pelosi's husband show up at the Grove earlier this month?  merh   Jul-27-08 12:00 AM   #84 
  - really.....  shanti   Jul-27-08 02:08 AM   #94 
     - check the dungeon for any discussion here  merh   Jul-27-08 09:06 AM   #99 
  - Re: "They did not put up a fight. And that is a tragedy."  anotheryellowdog   Jul-27-08 01:10 AM   #90 
  - This thread reminds me of another story that transpired during George HW Bush's presidency.  bertman   Jul-26-08 06:56 PM   #54 
  - I don't think I could have really got a more or less true impression of Meese, if  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jul-26-08 07:02 PM   #56 
     - Hunter Thompson - another "suicide" -nt  eowyn_of_rohan   Jul-26-08 07:06 PM   #57 
        - Yes, you wonder, don't you? Even if it was a technical suicide in the sense  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jul-27-08 11:00 AM   #105 
  - this is what I have been thinking  klyon   Jul-26-08 07:30 PM   #59 
  - I can't blame them. Many times when you stand up to psychopaths, you get...  Triana   Jul-26-08 08:44 PM   #62 
  - My neutered dogs have more balls than these wimps  Holly_Hobby   Jul-26-08 09:11 PM   #66 
  - "Why didn't they call a press conference or two?" Newsflash: the press belongs to RW  live love laugh   Jul-26-08 10:14 PM   #68 
  - live love laugh, while I understand your sentiments about the RW owning the press, having  bertman   Jul-26-08 10:51 PM   #72 
     - Shakers in fear and movers silenced by the big sleep. Dems outgunned.  azul   Jul-26-08 11:13 PM   #75 
     - The dem leadership bringing this up would be met with same deaf ear by the press. nt  live love laugh   Jul-27-08 02:08 AM   #95 
  - Press conferences have been had  merh   Jul-27-08 12:03 AM   #85 
     - And that's my point, too. A...."A" press conference alone is nothing. Whether the media  live love laugh   Jul-27-08 02:06 AM   #93 
     - And, as much as I hate to say this, since Pelosi took impeachment off the table, the MSM  bertman   Jul-27-08 11:51 AM   #108 
  - And how can we assume that these threats and tactics  libnnc   Jul-26-08 10:41 PM   #71 
  - K&R  DeepModem Mom   Jul-26-08 11:17 PM   #77 
  - Fortunate Son author didn't sound suicidal, but somehow...  azul   Jul-26-08 11:22 PM   #79 
  - Weren't some of the DOJ attorneys fired when they refused to participate  csziggy   Jul-26-08 11:38 PM   #82 
  - What I Find Most Disgusting  lilyannerose   Jul-26-08 11:38 PM   #83 
  - I am really starting to believe that Pelosi and Reid  FKA MNChimpH8R   Jul-27-08 12:20 AM   #87 
  - MARCH INTO THE WHITE HOUSE AND ARREST THE CRIMINALS.  Zhade   Jul-27-08 01:09 AM   #89 
  - Only Impeachment Can Stop This Terrorism Of Americans  Senator   Jul-27-08 09:31 AM   #101 
  - The Republican Party in the Democratic Party - the players are  higher class   Jul-27-08 09:35 AM   #102 
  - She's got a very good book. I have one problem with it though...  Joanne98   Jul-27-08 09:42 AM   #103 
  - them, and the whole of congress...apparently.  QuestionAll   Jul-28-08 01:33 PM   #110 
  - Just finished the book  LibFromWV   Jul-28-08 01:37 PM   #111 
 

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