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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 02:06 PM
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10. Only if other groups are permitted to do so
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  -Should religious flyers be distributed on public school grounds? Breeze54  Jul-23-08 01:52 PM   #0 
  - Hell NO  Parche   Jul-23-08 01:55 PM   #1 
  - I would expect her not to whine when they were handed out also...  loveable liberal   Jul-23-08 01:57 PM   #8 
  - I voted "not sure" because my son's school  Clark2008   Jul-23-08 02:12 PM   #15 
  - "I doubt they would ever try to put flyers for camp in our school"  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:15 PM   #17 
  - Atheism is not a religious group  spoony   Jul-23-08 02:23 PM   #23 
  - I KNow  Parche   Jul-23-08 02:30 PM   #32 
     - I'm an agnostic.  quantessd   Jul-24-08 02:16 AM   #94 
  - It's not her place to decide  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-23-08 02:39 PM   #38 
  - No harm in distributing flyers... others do it all the time...  loveable liberal   Jul-23-08 01:56 PM   #2 
  - There is a harm - it violates our Constitutional rights when a government official allows  bean fidhleir   Jul-23-08 02:00 PM   #9 
     - Only if they favour one over another  spoony   Jul-23-08 02:19 PM   #19 
     - Apparently the superintendent felt it did favor one over the other.  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:48 PM   #45 
        - "It" being what? Their district?  spoony   Jul-23-08 03:13 PM   #57 
           - Yes we are talking about a religious flyer for a bible school.  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 03:14 PM   #58 
              - You have misunderstood  spoony   Jul-23-08 03:30 PM   #67 
     - Which of our Constitutional right does it harm?  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-23-08 02:38 PM   #37 
  - Drama and Soccer clubs are clubs organized by the school itself ...  meegbear   Jul-23-08 01:56 PM   #3 
  - Many sports clubs are NOT run by the schools  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-23-08 02:09 PM   #12 
  - I did not know that ...  meegbear   Jul-23-08 03:17 PM   #60 
  - The soccer clubs here are organized outside the school. n/t  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:49 PM   #47 
  - All she needs is a reminder that  freesqueeze   Jul-23-08 01:56 PM   #4 
  - My local K-8 grade school has religious (Baptist) services on Sunday.  panader0   Jul-23-08 01:56 PM   #5 
  - Why wouldn't they rent space to other religious groups?  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:16 PM   #18 
  - Your evidence for this is what>?  aspergris   Jul-23-08 03:36 PM   #71 
  - HELL NO!  temperancedissent   Jul-23-08 01:57 PM   #6 
  - While I see where you're coming from, mere exposure to  spoony   Jul-23-08 02:26 PM   #27 
     - I don't agree. Religion belongs in church,  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:28 PM   #30 
     - Which is why they cannot favour any one religion over another  spoony   Jul-23-08 02:35 PM   #34 
        - they cannot favor one group over another.  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:43 PM   #41 
           - Finally somebody who UNDERSTANDS the law  aspergris   Jul-23-08 03:37 PM   #72 
     - I hardly sheltered my child from religion  temperancedissent   Jul-23-08 03:10 PM   #54 
  - Advertise your bible school at your church.  Captain Angry   Jul-23-08 01:57 PM   #7 
  - I agree. Hand them out at the library, the grocery store, etc.  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:11 PM   #13 
  - That's all I'm saying. :-)  Captain Angry   Jul-23-08 02:21 PM   #20 
  - I agree. Separation of Church and State needs to be respected.  quantessd   Jul-23-08 02:41 PM   #40 
  - Evidence please  aspergris   Jul-23-08 03:38 PM   #73 
     - Evidence of what?  Captain Angry   Jul-23-08 03:54 PM   #76 
        - And I'm saying  aspergris   Jul-23-08 04:00 PM   #77 
           - Ah. You can't exactly say you were "saying" something when all I got to work with was a "?"  Captain Angry   Jul-23-08 04:09 PM   #82 
              - I think they'd generally accept that we have religious freedom  aspergris   Jul-23-08 04:18 PM   #87 
  - Only if other groups are permitted to do so  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-23-08 02:06 PM   #10 
  - Religion doesn't belong in a public school. n/t  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:12 PM   #14 
     - That isn't a valid response to the post  spoony   Jul-23-08 02:21 PM   #21 
     - Separation of church and state.  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:26 PM   #28 
     - To my knowledge, Jefferson's personal opinions  spoony   Jul-23-08 02:29 PM   #31 
     - Your opinion is irrelevant about how irrelevant my opinion may or may not be....  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:40 PM   #39 
        - You keep citing things that agree with me  spoony   Jul-23-08 03:16 PM   #59 
     - And the state cannot prohibit religion  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-23-08 03:02 PM   #50 
        - Public schools may not provide religious instruction but may teach about religion  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 03:12 PM   #56 
           - And how is that affected by these flyers?  spoony   Jul-23-08 03:17 PM   #61 
           - See post # 53  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 04:08 PM   #81 
           - The school was not providing religious instruction  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-23-08 03:18 PM   #62 
              - You are commenting on a comment about another comment.  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 04:10 PM   #84 
     - Yup  aspergris   Jul-23-08 03:39 PM   #74 
     - Actually, the Supreme Court ruled in 1981 that schools must be content neutral when allowing access  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-23-08 02:25 PM   #25 
  - from "The Oxford Companion to the Supreme Court of the United States"  hfojvt   Jul-23-08 02:07 PM   #11 
  - But that's assuming all are willing participants.  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:13 PM   #16 
  - "...By contrast when religious activity in public schools..."  Squatch   Jul-23-08 02:24 PM   #24 
  - Thank you  aspergris   Jul-23-08 03:41 PM   #75 
  - In an ideal world, all groups should have equal access to hand out flyers at school.  Fumesucker   Jul-23-08 02:22 PM   #22 
  - No  bigwillq   Jul-23-08 02:26 PM   #26 
  - Absolutely not.  ncliberal   Jul-23-08 02:26 PM   #29 
  - Agreed and Welcome to DU, ncliberal !  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:32 PM   #33 
  - Hi! Thanks for the welcome but I've been here a long time.  ncliberal   Jul-23-08 02:36 PM   #35 
     - Then you're still "new" !  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:44 PM   #43 
  - How are they different?  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-23-08 02:37 PM   #36 
     - no one's come to the door lately to convert me to Arsenal.  ulysses   Jul-23-08 02:48 PM   #46 
     - How about Crystal Palace?  tkmorris   Jul-23-08 03:05 PM   #52 
     - true.  ulysses   Jul-23-08 03:11 PM   #55 
     - You lot are letting other feelings seep into this  spoony   Jul-23-08 03:20 PM   #64 
     - One is specifically proselytizing for a religion.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-23-08 03:20 PM   #63 
        - Presence is endorsement?  spoony   Jul-23-08 03:22 PM   #65 
           - Distributing recruitment flyers is more than just presence.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-23-08 03:34 PM   #70 
  - Is this just some random woman?  NoMoreMyths   Jul-23-08 02:44 PM   #42 
  - How about the kids that aren't 'bible' oriented feel excluded? Maybe?  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 02:46 PM   #44 
     - Maybe soccer makes non-athletic kids feel bad  spoony   Jul-23-08 03:25 PM   #66 
        - Some kids that chose not to participate in religious activities are harassed.  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 04:26 PM   #89 
           - Yep. My niece went through a horrible time at a supposedly public school  Oregonian   Jul-23-08 05:32 PM   #93 
  - Yes, just as soon as I can distribute Darwin's "Origin of the Species" in their churches...  KansDem   Jul-23-08 02:50 PM   #48 
  - The school will lose the suit  bamalib   Jul-23-08 02:51 PM   #49 
  - It depends on what was in the flier....Did it contain "proselytizing language.?  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 03:06 PM   #53 
     - Clicking the link doesn't give any relevant facts.  bamalib   Jul-23-08 04:09 PM   #83 
        - That's the point. We don't know the content of the flyer.  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 04:13 PM   #85 
  - If it's during Fairy Tales class, then sure.  BlooInBloo   Jul-23-08 03:03 PM   #51 
  - Substantial contribution as always  spoony   Jul-23-08 03:33 PM   #68 
     - Indeed. I *am* what prevents "proper conversations" from taking place....  BlooInBloo   Jul-23-08 04:07 PM   #80 
  - Geez, they have everyplace else they can distribute whatever  treestar   Jul-23-08 03:34 PM   #69 
  - they're never at the DMV when you need them.  ulysses   Jul-23-08 04:00 PM   #78 
  - Legally, she is right.  anonymous171   Jul-23-08 04:04 PM   #79 
  - Her flyers could cause Jewish or nonChristian children to feel ostracized.  McCamy Taylor   Jul-23-08 04:16 PM   #86 
  - If they allow any religious flyers they should extend the same courtesy to ALL religions  slackmaster   Jul-23-08 04:19 PM   #88 
  - Simpler, but unconstitutional  aspergris   Jul-23-08 05:24 PM   #90 
  - A thousand times NO. Wait, make that a million times NO.  Oregonian   Jul-23-08 05:26 PM   #91 
  - No  Irishonly   Jul-23-08 05:31 PM   #92 
  - The first ammendment doesn't prohibit the establishment of drama and soccer clubs  Herdin_Cats   Jul-24-08 03:05 AM   #95 
  - Of course not.  LeftyMom   Jul-24-08 03:10 AM   #96 
  - Nothing should be distributed on school property that isn't on the curriculum  TrogL   Jul-24-08 03:53 AM   #97 
  - Honestly it wouldnt bother me  AutumnMist   Jul-24-08 04:16 AM   #98 
  - I voted yes.  alwysdrunk   Jul-24-08 07:35 AM   #99 
  - What about the Boy Scouts recruiting class by class...  PassingFair   Jul-24-08 07:52 AM   #100 
  - If it was only advertising a summer camp, I wouldn't have a problem with it.  OnionPatch   Jul-24-08 08:05 AM   #101 
 

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