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40. Swiftboaters weren't wrong for criticizing Kerry's record, they were wrong for LYING about it.
Those who can't make this distinction shouldn't use the term "swiftboating", because the meaning the term now has depends on it. In fact those who fail to make the distinction in effect join the swiftboaters in doing a serious injustice to Kerry.

Now, if someone LIES about McCain's service, they're doing something similar to what the swiftboaters did to Kerry. So yes, if you don't like the swiftboating of Kerry, don't LIE about McCain's service - because that'd make you a "swiftboater". But that certainly doesn't put McCain's service record out of bounds as an issue - and to suggest otherwise is crazy.
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  -If you didn't like the Swiftboating of Kerry, don't do it to McCain jbane  Jul-23-08 11:02 AM   #0 
  - This should be good.  Midlodemocrat   Jul-23-08 11:04 AM   #1 
  - Scootch over a bit!  KitchenWitch   Jul-23-08 12:44 PM   #73 
  - Very Good...  jbane   Jul-23-08 12:45 PM   #74 
  - Yup. There are a lot of us here at DU.  Midlodemocrat   Jul-23-08 12:50 PM   #77 
  - but do you agree with what the OP said?  book_worm   Jul-23-08 02:50 PM   #114 
  - Thank you.  Richardo   Jul-23-08 11:04 AM   #2 
  - No... military service should *not* be off limits.  gcomeau   Jul-23-08 11:06 AM   #6 
  - 'legitimate' is the key word  Richardo   Jul-23-08 11:08 AM   #8 
  - Agree  Allyoop   Jul-23-08 02:20 PM   #95 
  - Negative...McCain is making his military service the center of his campaign  Squatch   Jul-23-08 11:17 AM   #23 
     - Hm.....where did we hear that before?!?!?  HardWorkingDem   Jul-23-08 11:28 AM   #32 
     - I don't know where the hell you've heard that before.  Squatch   Jul-23-08 11:33 AM   #35 
        - How McCain...  HardWorkingDem   Jul-23-08 11:43 AM   #46 
     - Absolutely. He was unlike Kerry. McCain was a lousy service member.  TexasObserver   Jul-23-08 12:10 PM   #59 
  - IBTL.  hisownpetard   Jul-23-08 11:04 AM   #3 
  - I don't think we have to  liberal N proud   Jul-23-08 11:04 AM   #4 
  - Please provide examples of such swiftboating, oh long time listener.  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jul-23-08 11:06 AM   #5 
  - if it's off limits, then why does he keep bringing it up?  libnnc   Jul-23-08 11:07 AM   #7 
  - You're right - so if you want to criticize McCain's service stop complaining about Kerry's treatment  Richardo   Jul-23-08 11:10 AM   #11 
     - last time I checked, this was 2008  libnnc   Jul-23-08 11:11 AM   #12 
     - Ask the people who are still bemoaning Kerry's swiftboating  Richardo   Jul-23-08 11:13 AM   #15 
        - People should not lie about McCain. This was the problem with the swiftboaters: the lies...  Mass   Jul-23-08 11:15 AM   #19 
        - point to where I moaned about Kerry's service.  libnnc   Jul-23-08 11:18 AM   #24 
     - Yeah we can. We can do it because they did it first.  treestar   Jul-23-08 12:05 PM   #56 
     - It's a pissing contest you can't win.  Richardo   Jul-23-08 01:51 PM   #87 
     - Is there a difference between swiftboating and criticizing or pointing out lies  uppityperson   Jul-23-08 01:01 PM   #79 
        - I'll bet the swiftboaters said the same thing  Richardo   Jul-23-08 01:49 PM   #85 
           - which part of "The Swiftboaters lied" do you not understand?  libnnc   Jul-23-08 01:54 PM   #89 
           - Is there a difference between swiftboating and criticizing or pointing out lies?  uppityperson   Jul-23-08 01:59 PM   #91 
              - You're right - I read that as a statement.  Richardo   Jul-23-08 02:28 PM   #96 
  - There's nothing honorable about John McCain.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-23-08 11:08 AM   #9 
  - I'll sure criticize him for having Swiftliars on his campaign  wryter2000   Jul-23-08 11:39 AM   #42 
  - It's been that "Holier than thou," and "We'll take the high road !"  TheDebbieDee   Jul-23-08 11:10 AM   #10 
  - That's fine, but it means you can't bitch about the other side using the "low road" tactics.  cobalt1999   Jul-23-08 11:14 AM   #16 
     - It might mean that YOU can't 8itch about repukes using  TheDebbieDee   Jul-23-08 11:17 AM   #22 
     - LOL  cobalt1999   Jul-23-08 11:22 AM   #28 
     - Then you prefer a repuke Presidency  treestar   Jul-23-08 12:06 PM   #57 
        - Hypocrisy is one thing I try very hard not to fall into.  cobalt1999   Jul-23-08 12:18 PM   #63 
  - No, he's not a chicken hawk.... He's a fucking WAR HAWK!!!  Breeze54   Jul-23-08 11:12 AM   #13 
  - He got shot down and held prisoner by a third world army. What's there to swiftboat?  devilgrrl   Jul-23-08 11:12 AM   #14 
  - That's fine. But it's not a qualification for President. n/t  rucky   Jul-23-08 11:14 AM   #17 
  - Would questions about the side-effects of his meds be okay?  L. Coyote   Jul-23-08 11:15 AM   #18 
  - Nope, I hope he goes down however he goes down--I am "win at all costs" now.  wienerdoggie   Jul-23-08 11:15 AM   #20 
  - I agree. WE MUST win in November. Whatever it takes!  TheDebbieDee   Jul-23-08 11:19 AM   #25 
     - I'm almost on board with that except for two things  jbane   Jul-23-08 11:27 AM   #31 
        - "Go swiftboat"..  YvonneCa   Jul-23-08 11:37 AM   #38 
        - I'm a wife of a career serviceman--I don't think military records are off-limits--  wienerdoggie   Jul-23-08 12:27 PM   #66 
        - I'm a vet, too, Jbane. And I take exception to McSame's  TheDebbieDee   Jul-23-08 02:47 PM   #111 
  - McCain is swiftboating himself, thanks to Jed Lewison of the JedReport.  Kaleko   Jul-23-08 11:16 AM   #21 
  - thanks for that clip....did you see this one, from the same person, which highlights conclusively  Gabi Hayes   Jul-23-08 12:03 PM   #53 
  - I agree, he served honorably. No problems with that. I agree with Wes Clark,  MiniMe   Jul-23-08 11:20 AM   #26 
  - Is it fair to revisit what the Bush campaign said back in 2000 about McCain?  predfan   Jul-23-08 11:20 AM   #27 
  - Ah yes, the high road, it always leads to a good view of your opponent's victory party  RGBolen   Jul-23-08 11:22 AM   #29 
  - Sad but so true. nt  zanne   Jul-23-08 11:30 AM   #34 
  - Did he stick up for Kerry publicly against the Swift Boat "Veterans"?  The Stranger   Jul-23-08 11:23 AM   #30 
  - I think we should give as good as we get.  zanne   Jul-23-08 11:30 AM   #33 
  - Do you consider Wes Clark's comments a form of "swiftboating"?  bullwinkle428   Jul-23-08 11:36 AM   #36 
  - John McCain is swiftboating himself  blogslut   Jul-23-08 11:37 AM   #37 
  - While I agree in principle  wryter2000   Jul-23-08 11:37 AM   #39 
  - Swiftboaters weren't wrong for criticizing Kerry's record, they were wrong for LYING about it.  iconicgnom   Jul-23-08 11:38 AM   #40 
  - That's a good distinction to make.  LittleClarkie   Jul-23-08 01:14 PM   #80 
  - Thank you...  YvonneCa   Jul-23-08 02:41 PM   #107 
  - i have never nor would i ever criticize his military. regardless, i thank him for that AND  seabeyond   Jul-23-08 11:38 AM   #41 
  - oh boy....I am not jumping in the middle of this mess.  Marrah_G   Jul-23-08 11:39 AM   #43 
  - if he uses any of the swift boaters in his campaign he should be trashed for it, other  chimpsrsmarter   Jul-23-08 11:42 AM   #44 
  - I've missed your pragmatic rationality...  Richardo   Jul-23-08 02:43 PM   #108 
     - Hi, nice to see you too!  chimpsrsmarter   Jul-23-08 02:53 PM   #117 
  - "The man served honorably."  Vickers   Jul-23-08 11:43 AM   #45 
  - he's sporting a Navy avatar. I guess he is looking out for his Navy buddy  NightWatcher   Jul-23-08 12:25 PM   #65 
  - USN  jbane   Jul-23-08 04:08 PM   #118 
  - I would not attack  Mz Pip   Jul-23-08 11:44 AM   #47 
  - The Democrats didn't start this bs.  sarge43   Jul-23-08 11:47 AM   #48 
  - So we can't wear the purple heart bandaids at our convention?  JaneQPublic   Jul-23-08 11:56 AM   #49 
     - I hope not, else I'd have to re-register as an Independent. n/t  sarge43   Jul-23-08 12:15 PM   #61 
  - The truth should never be off limits. And I'd be REALLY surprised if any  AzDar   Jul-23-08 11:56 AM   #50 
  - we don't need to swiftboat McCain: He's swiftboating himself  cap   Jul-23-08 12:00 PM   #51 
  - It's not 'swiftboating' if it is factual...that is the biggest difference..  truebrit71   Jul-23-08 12:02 PM   #52 
  - And lose the election  treestar   Jul-23-08 12:03 PM   #54 
  - Who's doing it to mccain?  No Surrender   Jul-23-08 12:04 PM   #55 
  - Who's swiftboating McCain? eom  donco6   Jul-23-08 12:07 PM   #58 
  - John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life  yorgatron   Jul-23-08 12:15 PM   #60 
     - Yes mother.  sarge43   Jul-23-08 12:16 PM   #62 
  - "swiftboating" has the connotation of UNtrue. McNASTY has ugly TRUTHS about him. n/t  UTUSN   Jul-23-08 12:23 PM   #64 
  - No one's questioning his service--it's his shameless use of it as  Alter Ego   Jul-23-08 12:29 PM   #67 
  - What's honorable about bombing innocent women and children to death?  DutchLiberal   Jul-23-08 12:36 PM   #68 
  - Questioning the relevancy of his POW experience isn't swiftboating  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-23-08 12:37 PM   #69 
  - Pfffft  temperancedissent   Jul-23-08 12:38 PM   #70 
  - "Swiftboating" is telling outright lies. Calling into question Captain Combover's .........  Husb2Sparkly   Jul-23-08 12:42 PM   #71 
  - the man did not serve honorably. he couldn't carry John Kerry's jockstrap. nt.  IndianaJones   Jul-23-08 12:43 PM   #72 
  - Show me one example of a DUer Swiftboating McCain.  pnwmom   Jul-23-08 12:45 PM   #75 
  - I agree.  EOO   Jul-23-08 12:48 PM   #76 
  - He did (serve honorably)? Link? Proof? He needs to prove what he says.  uppityperson   Jul-23-08 01:00 PM   #78 
  - Indeed.  sarge43   Jul-23-08 01:32 PM   #81 
  - I can still question his judgment and military policies.  quantessd   Jul-23-08 01:33 PM   #82 
  - Of course you can. Questioning his judgement is not casting aspersions on his service.  Richardo   Jul-23-08 02:36 PM   #99 
  - mc idiot hired the very people who swiftboated him to swiftboat Obama  Philosoraptor   Jul-23-08 01:38 PM   #83 
  - How many planes did he crack up?  dbaker41   Jul-23-08 01:48 PM   #84 
  - i agree. nt  lionesspriyanka   Jul-23-08 01:50 PM   #86 
  - Do you agree that McCain should shut his fucking yap about his record?  libnnc   Jul-23-08 01:56 PM   #90 
     - no. i think people shouldnt lie about service. what they did to kerry was unforgiveable.  lionesspriyanka   Jul-23-08 02:02 PM   #92 
        - Who on DU has lied about McCain's service record?  libnnc   Jul-23-08 02:07 PM   #93 
        - did i say he has? i just agreed that he shouldnt be swiftboated.  lionesspriyanka   Jul-23-08 02:10 PM   #94 
        - You won't win that argument.  Richardo   Jul-23-08 02:33 PM   #97 
           - People who plan on voting for McCain soley based on his POW status  libnnc   Jul-23-08 02:37 PM   #101 
           - That's what I was saying  Richardo   Jul-23-08 02:39 PM   #103 
           - Funny how that works  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-23-08 02:43 PM   #109 
              - You're another one who can't read, aren't you?  Richardo   Jul-23-08 02:49 PM   #112 
        - Thank you...  YvonneCa   Jul-23-08 02:40 PM   #106 
  - okay.  spanone   Jul-23-08 01:52 PM   #88 
  - Who's spreading false stories about McCain's service in Vietnam?  LeftCoast   Jul-23-08 02:34 PM   #98 
  - Suggesting his Vietnam experience does not qualify him is NOT disparaging his service  Richardo   Jul-23-08 02:38 PM   #102 
     - I think we're arguing much the same thing  LeftCoast   Jul-23-08 02:44 PM   #110 
        - Agreed.  Richardo   Jul-23-08 02:50 PM   #113 
  - I think I've read 15 replies asking you for examples of "swiftboating", or do you know what the fuck  burythehatchet   Jul-23-08 02:36 PM   #100 
  - The Mets are closing in on the Phillies....  jbane   Jul-23-08 04:11 PM   #119 
  - He didn't serve Honorably  snooper2   Jul-23-08 02:39 PM   #104 
  - He was a lousy student, he's a liar, he is devoid of principles, he's never had to work an honest  burythehatchet   Jul-23-08 02:39 PM   #105 
  - Telling the truth is not "swiftboating."  silverweb   Jul-23-08 02:52 PM   #115 
  - Here's 2 Swiftboats I see against McCain quite often on DU  RamboLiberal   Jul-23-08 02:52 PM   #116 
 

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