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Fri Jul-25-08 01:53 PM
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It's been almost 37 years, and I still feel her loss. A bright light went out of the world, and it didn't have to happen.
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| -Suicide barrier for Golden Gate Bridge? Public debate promises to be emotional |
cboy4 |
Jul-21-08 10:36 PM |
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What would be the point? |
LostInAnomie |
Jul-21-08 10:40 PM |
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Those who are determined will find a way to kill themselves, |
elocs |
Jul-21-08 11:02 PM |
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People who aren't sure don't pick jumping off a bridge as a method. |
LostInAnomie |
Jul-21-08 11:09 PM |
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Untrue |
AngryAmish |
Jul-22-08 07:56 AM |
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Wow. Intense end to that article: |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jul-22-08 12:56 PM |
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You know this for a fact? In every situation? |
elocs |
Jul-22-08 10:18 AM |
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Suicidology is full of surprises |
dmesg |
Jul-22-08 11:12 AM |
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I'm pretty sure if I were to ever kill myself, it would be something quick like that... |
Zevon fan |
Jul-22-08 12:52 PM |
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40 or 50 million to save just one life.. |
snooper2 |
Jul-23-08 09:59 AM |
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I agree with you that people who are determined to kill |
cboy4 |
Jul-21-08 11:47 PM |
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Actually barriers are shown to be very effective |
dmesg |
Jul-21-08 11:53 PM |
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Well, we also don't want bodies in the bay |
dmesg |
Jul-21-08 11:54 PM |
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There's all sorts of dead shit in the bay- and every other large body of water. |
LeftyMom |
Jul-22-08 11:55 PM |
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Right, but they aren't *plummeting into* the bay at 54 m/s |
dmesg |
Jul-23-08 08:00 AM |
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It doesn't matter in the slightest. |
LeftyMom |
Jul-23-08 03:01 PM |
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Ummm |
dmesg |
Jul-23-08 04:12 PM |
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You're more likely to be hit by lightning. |
LeftyMom |
Jul-23-08 04:13 PM |
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Wouldn't kayaking in that spot be suicidal? |
taterguy |
Jul-24-08 05:46 AM |
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There have been studies |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-22-08 07:56 AM |
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It will save lives. |
Olney Blue |
Jul-21-08 11:02 PM |
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I recommend seeing the doc "The Bridge", as for the barrier, i think no matter what |
chimpsrsmarter |
Jul-21-08 11:05 PM |
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Yes! See 'The Bridge'! I'm for the barrier. |
devilgrrl |
Jul-21-08 11:57 PM |
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it sure does. I've walked over that bridge dozens of times but it looked different after |
chimpsrsmarter |
Jul-21-08 11:58 PM |
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I've driven over it several times... |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 12:09 AM |
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I saw "Bridge" just the other day |
kskiska |
Jul-22-08 12:33 AM |
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Yea, that's an excellent documentary. |
cboy4 |
Jul-22-08 06:39 AM |
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The first three minutes are on youtube |
Xithras |
Jul-22-08 12:52 PM |
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i saw on either Sundance or IFC about a year or so ago and it's stuck with me. |
chimpsrsmarter |
Jul-22-08 01:11 PM |
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I think about walking across it and smiling at everyone I meet. |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 01:18 PM |
#71 |
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I think the "transparent" panel is the worst choice |
XemaSab |
Jul-22-08 11:45 PM |
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And it'll be covered in graffiti in ten minutes. nt |
LeftyMom |
Jul-22-08 11:56 PM |
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Oh yeah |
XemaSab |
Jul-23-08 12:07 AM |
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or they'll toodle over the bridge and leap off of one of the conveniently placed nearby cliffs |
LeftyMom |
Jul-23-08 12:13 AM |
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or go down the Peninsula and sit on the tracks |
Retrograde |
Jul-23-08 12:41 AM |
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Or stay home and eat a bottle of pills or a bullet. |
LeftyMom |
Jul-23-08 12:47 AM |
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Please read the ny times magazine article - suicide barriers do not shift, they save lives |
AngryAmish |
Jul-23-08 08:02 AM |
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If they were thwarted on the Golden Gate, most probably wouldn't have gone through with it. |
LeftyMom |
Jul-23-08 09:58 AM |
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So you support the barrier on Golden Gate? |
AngryAmish |
Jul-23-08 11:51 AM |
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NO, I'm saying there's no point to it. |
LeftyMom |
Jul-23-08 02:58 PM |
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Suicide ethical? |
wpelb |
Jul-23-08 05:17 PM |
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Actually, I know the survivor thing well and personally, so don't condescend. |
LeftyMom |
Jul-23-08 05:45 PM |
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Would you feel that way if it was your child? |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-25-08 09:44 AM |
#131 |
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But there is a point to it |
AngryAmish |
Jul-23-08 09:36 PM |
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the people who are against the barriers for aesthetic reasons sicken me |
dwickham |
Jul-21-08 11:49 PM |
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They should have put one in from the get-go. |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 12:01 AM |
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We constantly make cost-benefit decisions that involve life and death |
taterguy |
Jul-22-08 08:46 AM |
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do people go to the Grand Canyon to kill themselves? |
dwickham |
Jul-22-08 11:40 PM |
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Grand Canyon leads national parks in suicides . . . |
taterguy |
Jul-23-08 04:07 AM |
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bullshit if raw numbers shouldn't matter |
dwickham |
Jul-23-08 07:47 PM |
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It matters if the apple is someone you love and care about |
taterguy |
Jul-24-08 06:31 AM |
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yes |
mrs_p |
Jul-22-08 12:03 AM |
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Everyone! Check out this SF Chronicle series on the bridge from 2005 |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 12:12 AM |
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I'm of two minds. |
oktoberain |
Jul-22-08 12:45 AM |
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Well if you're in favor of the barriers for the reasons you |
cboy4 |
Jul-22-08 01:24 AM |
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Well, I meant it this way. |
oktoberain |
Jul-22-08 01:36 AM |
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Ah, got it now. |
cboy4 |
Jul-22-08 01:43 AM |
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a suicide does not only end one life |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-22-08 08:02 AM |
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I agree. But, |
oktoberain |
Jul-22-08 12:27 PM |
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I understand what you are saying |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-23-08 11:59 AM |
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No, but the vast majority are |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-22-08 08:21 AM |
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Whales die every day. It doesn't affect the "health" of the ocean. |
exothermic |
Jul-22-08 10:04 AM |
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Not all people who choose suicide are depressed/insane/mentally ill. |
LWolf |
Jul-23-08 09:27 PM |
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I've crossed that bridge a number of times |
FloridaJudy |
Jul-22-08 07:00 AM |
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I've gone across on a motorcycle |
cobalt1999 |
Jul-23-08 11:10 AM |
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The clear barriers would be my choice |
Mike Daniels |
Jul-22-08 07:42 AM |
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The nets would cut the fall in half |
taterguy |
Jul-22-08 09:21 AM |
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ok, now that makes sense |
galledgoblin |
Jul-23-08 08:35 PM |
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maybe they should put up diving boards???? |
spanone |
Jul-22-08 08:01 AM |
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Oh, you so funny! |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 08:03 AM |
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suicide is so hilarious |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-22-08 08:16 AM |
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You've obviously not gone through the devastation |
cboy4 |
Jul-22-08 09:09 AM |
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May you never know the pain of someone you love |
Midlodemocrat |
Jul-22-08 09:52 AM |
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I lol'd. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jul-22-08 11:09 AM |
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That's a pretty fucking tacky thing to say. |
racaulk |
Jul-22-08 12:41 PM |
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Serious forum is fucking serious |
Political Heretic |
Jul-23-08 12:02 AM |
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Definitely |
Marie26 |
Jul-22-08 08:50 AM |
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People will find a way regardless is their argument. |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 08:52 AM |
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But is that true? |
Marie26 |
Jul-22-08 08:59 AM |
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I don't think it's true... |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 09:04 AM |
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From your link: |
Marie26 |
Jul-22-08 09:17 AM |
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Exactly. |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 09:43 AM |
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The argument is "Will it make a difference?" |
Bleachers7 |
Jul-22-08 09:51 AM |
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And the answer is clear: yes. |
Marie26 |
Jul-22-08 09:58 AM |
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If that stat is legitimate, then they should do the barrier, |
Bleachers7 |
Jul-22-08 10:03 AM |
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Read the article |
Marie26 |
Jul-22-08 10:04 AM |
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"prevented" bridge jumpers were prevented by people -- not an impersonal barrier. |
Political Heretic |
Jul-23-08 12:04 AM |
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I see no reason... |
Nabeshin |
Jul-22-08 09:20 AM |
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Let's forget family and friends who are devastated by suicide. |
cboy4 |
Jul-22-08 09:31 AM |
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From the series: No easy death |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 09:55 AM |
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wow... chilling story... |
Blue_Tires |
Jul-23-08 08:59 AM |
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I don't see why the trauma of rescue workers and witnesses at a suicide scene... |
Nabeshin |
Jul-22-08 10:16 AM |
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Nabeshin, you lack a certain emotion that most human |
cboy4 |
Jul-22-08 10:28 AM |
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Suicide can wreak a family... It is very destructive for everyone.... |
MillieJo |
Jul-22-08 11:06 AM |
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Almost Everyone Has Some Sort of Pain They Have to Learn to Live With |
Crisco |
Jul-23-08 04:24 PM |
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Suicide does not only sadden a family |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-22-08 11:20 AM |
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I think I'd be very scared the day we see sucide booths in urban centers... |
Zevon fan |
Jul-22-08 01:00 PM |
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Will it make a difference? |
Bleachers7 |
Jul-22-08 09:49 AM |
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read the article up thread |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-22-08 11:22 AM |
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Yeah, that will fix the problem. Luckily there are no other bridges in the whole fucking world. |
exothermic |
Jul-22-08 09:59 AM |
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that's lovely |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-22-08 11:24 AM |
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Don't waste your time with that clown |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 12:34 PM |
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Way to show off those reading skills there, champ. |
EOTE |
Jul-23-08 11:03 AM |
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I've never visited the GGB |
GreenEyedLefty |
Jul-22-08 10:20 AM |
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The last pic would work. They could jump out of a net. |
King Coal |
Jul-22-08 12:30 PM |
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Might help prevent "suicides of opportunity" |
anonymous171 |
Jul-22-08 01:01 PM |
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How about a diving board? |
Tyler Durden |
Jul-22-08 01:19 PM |
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Too bad some other stooge beat you the punch. |
devilgrrl |
Jul-22-08 01:23 PM |
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Are you mentally retarded? If you are, just let me know and |
cboy4 |
Jul-22-08 08:35 PM |
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Don't ruin the aesthetics of the structure for something that won't stop suicides |
Political Heretic |
Jul-23-08 12:01 AM |
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No shit |
XemaSab |
Jul-23-08 12:24 AM |
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I suggest you read the article at |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-23-08 07:46 AM |
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I read the first page, but I'm at work - you want to get to the point for me? |
Political Heretic |
Jul-23-08 08:15 PM |
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Okay I read page two when I got back to my desk again, and I see the point |
Political Heretic |
Jul-23-08 08:22 PM |
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Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. |
EOTE |
Jul-23-08 11:05 AM |
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They were stopped by PEOPLE, not by a BARRIER. There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE |
Political Heretic |
Jul-23-08 08:19 PM |
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So what if it's 20%? |
EOTE |
Jul-25-08 09:33 AM |
#130 |
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A thing about the nets... |
Fox Mulder |
Jul-23-08 12:39 AM |
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Yep. |
Iggo |
Jul-23-08 09:50 AM |
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I biked across the bridge a couple of weeks ago.... |
gorekerrydreamticket |
Jul-23-08 07:37 AM |
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On the approach to the Delaware Memorial Bridge |
treestar |
Jul-23-08 11:02 AM |
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The GGB has phones that directly connect you to a crisis hotline |
taterguy |
Jul-23-08 11:11 AM |
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I had the same thought |
wpelb |
Jul-23-08 05:21 PM |
#114 |
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Why now? |
mmonk |
Jul-23-08 11:04 AM |
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They should put concertina wire across the top of the existing barrier. |
Vickers |
Jul-23-08 11:40 AM |
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I say put up motion activated machine guns. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jul-23-08 05:18 PM |
#113 |
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Refit all the WWII-era machine gun batteries in the Headlands |
XemaSab |
Jul-23-08 05:29 PM |
#116 |
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And of course, monitor everybody's phone calls. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jul-23-08 05:30 PM |
#117 |
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*putting on heavy flame suit* |
Firespirit |
Jul-23-08 04:46 PM |
#111 |
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Upon further reflection, you know what this reminds me of? |
XemaSab |
Jul-23-08 05:27 PM |
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Seattle has its own suicide magnet, the Aurora bridge on Hwy. 99 |
maxsolomon |
Jul-23-08 05:42 PM |
#118 |
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Put up the barrier. |
LWolf |
Jul-23-08 09:24 PM |
#125 |
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yes.... |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-25-08 09:53 AM |
#132 |
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Thank you. |
LWolf |
Jul-25-08 01:53 PM |
#133 |
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your right, it doesn't have to happen |
easttexaslefty |
Jul-25-08 02:46 PM |
#134 |
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