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51. This is like asking if Hindus should allow reincarnation.
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  -Should the Roman Catholic Church allow women to be priests? Breeze54  Jul-19-08 12:39 PM   #0 
  - The Catholic Church needs to get in the 21st Century  fortyfeetunder   Jul-19-08 12:43 PM   #1 
  - I'm quite surprised that the overwhelming response in the poll  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 12:48 PM   #2 
  - If there were any such thing as democracy in the RCC,  JerseygirlCT   Jul-20-08 10:27 AM   #104 
  - Funny reason they give  lwfern   Jul-19-08 12:58 PM   #7 
  - Good point!  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 01:01 PM   #9 
  - Heck...  HawkerHurricane   Jul-19-08 02:59 PM   #25 
  - Priests are still wearing dresses ---  defendandprotect   Jul-19-08 11:42 PM   #58 
  - Shhhh, don't give them any ideas  Hippo_Tron   Jul-20-08 11:16 PM   #130 
  - I find it odd that they use that argument  Bill McBlueState   Jul-19-08 04:10 PM   #45 
     - Do Palestinian men have a habit of quoting the Old Testament?  Boojatta   Jul-20-08 10:41 PM   #125 
  - That's really close to the top of my "don't give a shit either way" list.  exothermic   Jul-19-08 12:50 PM   #3 
  - But you didn't vote in my poll.  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 12:51 PM   #4 
  - its a cult - disband them - too many brainwashed - need deprogramming effort with all of these  28erl   Jul-19-08 12:56 PM   #5 
  - It's a cult? I don't agree.  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 01:01 PM   #8 
  - It is a cult . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-19-08 11:44 PM   #59 
  - An organized religion is just a cult with more people, time and money.  Zhade   Jul-20-08 12:11 AM   #78 
  - Did you have a telegraph office write that post?  spoony   Jul-19-08 01:08 PM   #13 
  - Actually, it is just the opposite!  DailyGrind51   Jul-19-08 03:11 PM   #27 
     - You missed one of the essentials of a "cult" -- getting them while they're young . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-19-08 11:46 PM   #60 
        - What do you really know about the priesthood?  DailyGrind51   Jul-20-08 09:01 AM   #97 
           - We know what the Italians have told us . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 11:20 AM   #117 
              - The fact that sickos have gotten in  DailyGrind51   Jul-21-08 01:07 PM   #140 
  - AND, priests should be permitted to marry!  DailyGrind51   Jul-19-08 12:56 PM   #6 
  - and give the priests some idea of  PDJane   Jul-19-08 01:03 PM   #10 
  - Damn right!  DailyGrind51   Jul-19-08 01:15 PM   #18 
  - or -- at least more average kinds of problems . . . i.e., having affairs, etc.  defendandprotect   Jul-19-08 11:47 PM   #61 
  - Well, haven't celebate males done well?  TahitiNut   Jul-19-08 01:04 PM   #11 
  - The majority have...  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 01:06 PM   #12 
     - no, I'd say today's majority of celebate priests  galledgoblin   Jul-19-08 03:14 PM   #29 
     - "An estimated 0.2% of Roman Catholic priests have been proven to be abusers."  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 03:30 PM   #36 
        - yeah, that's what I was saying  galledgoblin   Jul-19-08 03:39 PM   #40 
           - accusations against 4,392 priests in the USA, equaling about 4% of all U.S. priests  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 03:42 PM   #41 
              - I know what you're saying, but it doesn't really matter how low the number gets  galledgoblin   Jul-19-08 03:54 PM   #43 
                 - Wow... well, I don't know if they ALL understand the teachings or not...  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 03:59 PM   #44 
                    - just my obervation of the followers  galledgoblin   Jul-19-08 04:23 PM   #46 
     - Let's not presume that because "they didn't make the news" that all's well . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-19-08 11:48 PM   #62 
  - "The Catholic Ch. has always said women cannot be priests because Jesus didn't have female Apostles"  paxmusa   Jul-19-08 01:08 PM   #14 
  - No . .. I think what they said was that God/Jesus was male . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-19-08 11:51 PM   #63 
  - Mary Magdalene was an apostle, IMHO.  Kajsa   Jul-20-08 02:16 PM   #121 
  - Its not part of our tradition which can be traced back 2000 years to Peter.  Peregrine Took   Jul-19-08 01:08 PM   #15 
  - Sorry, but many "traditions" and official doctrines have been added (and subtracted)  paxmusa   Jul-19-08 01:14 PM   #17 
  - Not all traditions are good, though. It wasn't traditional for women to do a lot of things  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-19-08 01:15 PM   #19 
  - And, in this case, the poster is flat out wrong  LostinVA   Jul-19-08 11:57 PM   #68 
     - True enough  JerseygirlCT   Jul-20-08 10:30 AM   #106 
  - actually, there were many priestesses back in the early days  galledgoblin   Jul-19-08 03:17 PM   #31 
  - Your tradition is also based on Goddess worship . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-19-08 11:55 PM   #65 
  - Actually, the early Church did allow female priests and priests could get married  LostinVA   Jul-19-08 11:56 PM   #66 
  - ....and then, of course, POPE JOAN snuck in there . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-19-08 11:57 PM   #67 
  - Traditions change.  JerseygirlCT   Jul-20-08 10:29 AM   #105 
  - No opinion. I'm not Catholic.  spoony   Jul-19-08 01:11 PM   #16 
  - I'm not either but they should allow women to be priests  goddess40   Jul-19-08 03:17 PM   #30 
  - Well, you understand of course that it does effect society . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-19-08 11:59 PM   #69 
     - Not really, so long as they can choose not to be Catholic  spoony   Jul-20-08 09:07 AM   #98 
        - Of course, patriarchy is still a problem . . . as intolerance for homosexuals continues  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 11:10 AM   #115 
           - Ah, the kitchen sink emergeth  spoony   Jul-20-08 01:39 PM   #120 
  - my older sister just entered the Seminary (n/t)  galledgoblin   Jul-19-08 01:42 PM   #20 
  - The Catholic Church will NEED to start ordaining women  undeterred   Jul-19-08 02:00 PM   #21 
  - They will ordain farm animals before they're ready to  JerseygirlCT   Jul-20-08 10:31 AM   #107 
  - Yes. yes, yes. But it will be at least 100 years before it happens.  terrya   Jul-19-08 02:01 PM   #22 
  - I see a schism coming well before then.  galledgoblin   Jul-19-08 03:20 PM   #32 
  - It's not my religion, not something I have an opinion on.  Marrah_G   Jul-19-08 02:04 PM   #23 
  - Oh, yes. Absolutely.  Brigid   Jul-19-08 02:18 PM   #24 
  - It's not my church  MonkeyFunk   Jul-19-08 03:10 PM   #26 
  - No women do...  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 03:12 PM   #28 
  - Well, I'm a man  MonkeyFunk   Jul-19-08 03:22 PM   #33 
  - Yes, you do . . . because it effects all of society . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:00 AM   #70 
     - but it's a volunteer organization that is based on beliefs  JI7   Jul-20-08 12:09 AM   #75 
     - You seem to miss the point that YOUR tax dollars are supporting them . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 01:00 AM   #87 
     - Well I think they're idiots  MonkeyFunk   Jul-20-08 03:38 AM   #93 
        - You can also push back against their political influence on government . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 11:06 AM   #114 
  - At This Time, No  dtotire   Jul-19-08 03:23 PM   #34 
  - 2,000 years isn't "gradual" enough for you?  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 03:31 PM   #37 
  - quoting MLK, JR:  lwfern   Jul-19-08 11:02 PM   #56 
  - Exactly. nt  JerseygirlCT   Jul-20-08 10:36 AM   #109 
  - Isn't that what patriarchy continued to say to African-Americans . . . wait---????????  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:01 AM   #71 
  - Why?  JerseygirlCT   Jul-20-08 10:35 AM   #108 
  - Separation of church & state means they get to decide this for themselves--not public opinion polls  Hekate   Jul-19-08 03:26 PM   #35 
  - Who said a public opinion poll was deciding this?  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 03:32 PM   #38 
  - Is job discrimination against women a secular law?  lwfern   Jul-19-08 11:04 PM   #57 
  - Depends on the job--and whether they take federal money connected with it.  Hekate   Jul-20-08 02:38 AM   #91 
     - I view it as "an exemption" to secular laws  lwfern   Jul-20-08 11:11 AM   #116 
        - As a pagan, I do not want the State telling me what form my sacraments should take. The Constitution  Hekate   Jul-20-08 04:47 PM   #122 
           - Many laws apply to church sacraments  lwfern   Jul-20-08 05:01 PM   #123 
              - Not sure how what I said got interpreted as an ad hominem attack, but let's drop it...  Hekate   Jul-20-08 10:39 PM   #124 
  - The Church has been trying to overturn Separation of Church and State . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:05 AM   #73 
     - It's up to us to keep pushing back--our founding fathers were sons ofthe Enlightenment,not theocrats  Hekate   Jul-20-08 02:54 AM   #92 
  - No.  Peake   Jul-19-08 03:32 PM   #39 
  - Whatever they want to do, I suppose. People can join or leave as they choose.  Occam Bandage   Jul-19-08 03:48 PM   #42 
  - However, church teachings impact all of society . . . intolerance for homosexuals,  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:07 AM   #74 
  - Still in the Dark Ages.  Perragrande   Jul-19-08 04:36 PM   #47 
  - Evidently, Pope Ratzy is turning the church towards Evangelicalism . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:10 AM   #76 
  - Yes n/t  OhioChick   Jul-19-08 04:44 PM   #48 
  - Yes, since you asked - but as a non-Catholic, it's not really up to me.  LeftishBrit   Jul-19-08 05:20 PM   #49 
  - It is up to you . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:11 AM   #77 
  - Yes  bigwillq   Jul-19-08 05:21 PM   #50 
  - This is like asking if Hindus should allow reincarnation.  rug   Jul-19-08 05:23 PM   #51 
  - No, it's their church, they can believe what they want.  Common Sense Party   Jul-19-08 05:24 PM   #52 
  - The hierarchy of the church often believes in control --  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:12 AM   #79 
     - All fine and dandy.  Common Sense Party   Jul-20-08 01:08 AM   #90 
        - That's just the point . . . no you can't . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 11:00 AM   #113 
  - Only if men are allowed to be Nuns. n/t  rucky   Jul-19-08 05:25 PM   #53 
  - Except nuns marry God when they become nuns, but priests don't marry God.  Breeze54   Jul-19-08 05:28 PM   #54 
  - Not at all  JerseygirlCT   Jul-20-08 10:37 AM   #110 
  - I do wonder what will happen to the sisters and the brothers in the future...  galledgoblin   Jul-20-08 03:43 AM   #94 
  - Kinda like becoming a waiter at Hooters.  rucky   Jul-20-08 08:39 AM   #96 
  - I'm sure there would be those who continue to feel called to  JerseygirlCT   Jul-20-08 10:39 AM   #111 
     - excellent points (n/t)  galledgoblin   Jul-20-08 12:06 PM   #119 
  - they can become  mrs_p   Jul-20-08 10:59 PM   #126 
  - I'm a non-practicing Catholic  mvd   Jul-19-08 05:30 PM   #55 
  - 'Some' suggest that the book of John  Mind_your_head   Jul-19-08 11:55 PM   #64 
     - Of course . . . Mary was the "Apostle to the Apostles" . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:13 AM   #80 
  - No  krispos42   Jul-20-08 12:03 AM   #72 
  - Right . . . the Catholic Church still REFUSES to acknowledge the full personhood of females . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:15 AM   #82 
     - I expect them to be consistant with their beliefs  krispos42   Jul-20-08 12:35 AM   #84 
     - Honesty isn't exactly their policy . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:57 AM   #86 
     - And Judaism has four divisions, unlike the RCC.  Perragrande   Jul-20-08 01:06 AM   #89 
        - Well, "their beliefs" . . . are imposed upon our society . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 10:54 AM   #112 
     - wtf indeed, what on earth are you on about?  spoony   Jul-20-08 09:18 AM   #99 
  - No  Book Lover   Jul-20-08 12:15 AM   #81 
  - And they also have this Vatican nation -- one acre -- all males !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-20-08 12:17 AM   #83 
  - exactly!  Leeny   Jul-20-08 12:47 AM   #85 
  - I couldn't care less  Canuckistanian   Jul-20-08 01:04 AM   #88 
  - Definitely "Yes" but to be fair what about women as rabbis and imams? n/t  pampango   Jul-20-08 05:49 AM   #95 
  - There are currently female rabbis, but no female imams  marshall   Jul-20-08 09:31 AM   #102 
  - Maybe a better question would be, "Should the Catholic Church make the leap  salguine   Jul-20-08 09:24 AM   #100 
  - I see no reason beyond tradition to not allow female priests-- but they can do what want...  aikoaiko   Jul-20-08 09:29 AM   #101 
  - This is one of the major reasons I am no longer R. Catholic  JerseygirlCT   Jul-20-08 10:26 AM   #103 
  - I'm a "collapsed Catholic."  tomreedtoon   Jul-20-08 11:21 AM   #118 
  - um, what jesuits  mrs_p   Jul-20-08 11:05 PM   #128 
     - I don't hang around any Jesuits anymore.  tomreedtoon   Jul-21-08 11:10 AM   #133 
        - i am truly glad  mrs_p   Jul-21-08 11:20 AM   #135 
  - As far as I'm concerned, any church with stupid rules can  Ilsa   Jul-20-08 11:02 PM   #127 
  - so, i'm still considered new here  mrs_p   Jul-20-08 11:14 PM   #129 
  - It is generally acceptable to offer criticism where due  lwfern   Jul-20-08 11:32 PM   #131 
     - sorry...lwfern...your first option  ProdigalJunkMail   Jul-21-08 11:13 AM   #134 
        - Have you alerted on the posts when you see them?  lwfern   Jul-21-08 11:44 AM   #136 
           - i do...and it is sad  ProdigalJunkMail   Jul-21-08 11:52 AM   #137 
              - If you see something along the lines of that  lwfern   Jul-21-08 11:56 AM   #138 
                 - i haven given up on that front  ProdigalJunkMail   Jul-21-08 12:02 PM   #139 
  - The Roman Catholic Church should fold,  old mark   Jul-21-08 04:56 AM   #132 
 

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