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Sat Jul-19-08 12:51 PM
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| 4. But you didn't vote in my poll. |
| -Should the Roman Catholic Church allow women to be priests? |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 12:39 PM |
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The Catholic Church needs to get in the 21st Century |
fortyfeetunder |
Jul-19-08 12:43 PM |
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I'm quite surprised that the overwhelming response in the poll |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 12:48 PM |
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If there were any such thing as democracy in the RCC, |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-20-08 10:27 AM |
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Funny reason they give |
lwfern |
Jul-19-08 12:58 PM |
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Good point! |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 01:01 PM |
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Heck... |
HawkerHurricane |
Jul-19-08 02:59 PM |
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Priests are still wearing dresses --- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-08 11:42 PM |
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Shhhh, don't give them any ideas |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-20-08 11:16 PM |
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I find it odd that they use that argument |
Bill McBlueState |
Jul-19-08 04:10 PM |
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Do Palestinian men have a habit of quoting the Old Testament? |
Boojatta |
Jul-20-08 10:41 PM |
#125 |
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That's really close to the top of my "don't give a shit either way" list. |
exothermic |
Jul-19-08 12:50 PM |
#3 |
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But you didn't vote in my poll. |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 12:51 PM |
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its a cult - disband them - too many brainwashed - need deprogramming effort with all of these |
28erl |
Jul-19-08 12:56 PM |
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It's a cult? I don't agree. |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 01:01 PM |
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It is a cult . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-08 11:44 PM |
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An organized religion is just a cult with more people, time and money. |
Zhade |
Jul-20-08 12:11 AM |
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Did you have a telegraph office write that post? |
spoony |
Jul-19-08 01:08 PM |
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Actually, it is just the opposite! |
DailyGrind51 |
Jul-19-08 03:11 PM |
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You missed one of the essentials of a "cult" -- getting them while they're young . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-08 11:46 PM |
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What do you really know about the priesthood? |
DailyGrind51 |
Jul-20-08 09:01 AM |
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We know what the Italians have told us . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 11:20 AM |
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The fact that sickos have gotten in |
DailyGrind51 |
Jul-21-08 01:07 PM |
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AND, priests should be permitted to marry! |
DailyGrind51 |
Jul-19-08 12:56 PM |
#6 |
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and give the priests some idea of |
PDJane |
Jul-19-08 01:03 PM |
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Damn right! |
DailyGrind51 |
Jul-19-08 01:15 PM |
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or -- at least more average kinds of problems . . . i.e., having affairs, etc. |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-08 11:47 PM |
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Well, haven't celebate males done well? |
TahitiNut |
Jul-19-08 01:04 PM |
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The majority have... |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 01:06 PM |
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no, I'd say today's majority of celebate priests |
galledgoblin |
Jul-19-08 03:14 PM |
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"An estimated 0.2% of Roman Catholic priests have been proven to be abusers." |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 03:30 PM |
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yeah, that's what I was saying |
galledgoblin |
Jul-19-08 03:39 PM |
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accusations against 4,392 priests in the USA, equaling about 4% of all U.S. priests |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 03:42 PM |
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I know what you're saying, but it doesn't really matter how low the number gets |
galledgoblin |
Jul-19-08 03:54 PM |
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Wow... well, I don't know if they ALL understand the teachings or not... |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 03:59 PM |
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just my obervation of the followers |
galledgoblin |
Jul-19-08 04:23 PM |
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Let's not presume that because "they didn't make the news" that all's well . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-08 11:48 PM |
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"The Catholic Ch. has always said women cannot be priests because Jesus didn't have female Apostles" |
paxmusa |
Jul-19-08 01:08 PM |
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No . .. I think what they said was that God/Jesus was male . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-08 11:51 PM |
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Mary Magdalene was an apostle, IMHO. |
Kajsa |
Jul-20-08 02:16 PM |
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Its not part of our tradition which can be traced back 2000 years to Peter. |
Peregrine Took |
Jul-19-08 01:08 PM |
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Sorry, but many "traditions" and official doctrines have been added (and subtracted) |
paxmusa |
Jul-19-08 01:14 PM |
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Not all traditions are good, though. It wasn't traditional for women to do a lot of things |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-19-08 01:15 PM |
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And, in this case, the poster is flat out wrong |
LostinVA |
Jul-19-08 11:57 PM |
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True enough |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-20-08 10:30 AM |
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actually, there were many priestesses back in the early days |
galledgoblin |
Jul-19-08 03:17 PM |
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Your tradition is also based on Goddess worship . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-08 11:55 PM |
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Actually, the early Church did allow female priests and priests could get married |
LostinVA |
Jul-19-08 11:56 PM |
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....and then, of course, POPE JOAN snuck in there . . . !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-08 11:57 PM |
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Traditions change. |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-20-08 10:29 AM |
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No opinion. I'm not Catholic. |
spoony |
Jul-19-08 01:11 PM |
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I'm not either but they should allow women to be priests |
goddess40 |
Jul-19-08 03:17 PM |
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Well, you understand of course that it does effect society . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-08 11:59 PM |
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Not really, so long as they can choose not to be Catholic |
spoony |
Jul-20-08 09:07 AM |
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Of course, patriarchy is still a problem . . . as intolerance for homosexuals continues |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 11:10 AM |
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Ah, the kitchen sink emergeth |
spoony |
Jul-20-08 01:39 PM |
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my older sister just entered the Seminary (n/t) |
galledgoblin |
Jul-19-08 01:42 PM |
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The Catholic Church will NEED to start ordaining women |
undeterred |
Jul-19-08 02:00 PM |
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They will ordain farm animals before they're ready to |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-20-08 10:31 AM |
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Yes. yes, yes. But it will be at least 100 years before it happens. |
terrya |
Jul-19-08 02:01 PM |
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I see a schism coming well before then. |
galledgoblin |
Jul-19-08 03:20 PM |
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It's not my religion, not something I have an opinion on. |
Marrah_G |
Jul-19-08 02:04 PM |
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Oh, yes. Absolutely. |
Brigid |
Jul-19-08 02:18 PM |
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It's not my church |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-19-08 03:10 PM |
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No women do... |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 03:12 PM |
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Well, I'm a man |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-19-08 03:22 PM |
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Yes, you do . . . because it effects all of society . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:00 AM |
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but it's a volunteer organization that is based on beliefs |
JI7 |
Jul-20-08 12:09 AM |
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You seem to miss the point that YOUR tax dollars are supporting them . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 01:00 AM |
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Well I think they're idiots |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-20-08 03:38 AM |
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You can also push back against their political influence on government . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 11:06 AM |
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At This Time, No |
dtotire |
Jul-19-08 03:23 PM |
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2,000 years isn't "gradual" enough for you? |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 03:31 PM |
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quoting MLK, JR: |
lwfern |
Jul-19-08 11:02 PM |
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Exactly. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-20-08 10:36 AM |
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Isn't that what patriarchy continued to say to African-Americans . . . wait---???????? |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:01 AM |
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Why? |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-20-08 10:35 AM |
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Separation of church & state means they get to decide this for themselves--not public opinion polls |
Hekate |
Jul-19-08 03:26 PM |
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Who said a public opinion poll was deciding this? |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 03:32 PM |
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Is job discrimination against women a secular law? |
lwfern |
Jul-19-08 11:04 PM |
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Depends on the job--and whether they take federal money connected with it. |
Hekate |
Jul-20-08 02:38 AM |
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I view it as "an exemption" to secular laws |
lwfern |
Jul-20-08 11:11 AM |
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As a pagan, I do not want the State telling me what form my sacraments should take. The Constitution |
Hekate |
Jul-20-08 04:47 PM |
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Many laws apply to church sacraments |
lwfern |
Jul-20-08 05:01 PM |
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Not sure how what I said got interpreted as an ad hominem attack, but let's drop it... |
Hekate |
Jul-20-08 10:39 PM |
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The Church has been trying to overturn Separation of Church and State . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:05 AM |
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It's up to us to keep pushing back--our founding fathers were sons ofthe Enlightenment,not theocrats |
Hekate |
Jul-20-08 02:54 AM |
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No. |
Peake |
Jul-19-08 03:32 PM |
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Whatever they want to do, I suppose. People can join or leave as they choose. |
Occam Bandage |
Jul-19-08 03:48 PM |
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However, church teachings impact all of society . . . intolerance for homosexuals, |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:07 AM |
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Still in the Dark Ages. |
Perragrande |
Jul-19-08 04:36 PM |
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Evidently, Pope Ratzy is turning the church towards Evangelicalism . . . !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:10 AM |
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Yes n/t |
OhioChick |
Jul-19-08 04:44 PM |
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Yes, since you asked - but as a non-Catholic, it's not really up to me. |
LeftishBrit |
Jul-19-08 05:20 PM |
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It is up to you . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:11 AM |
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Yes |
bigwillq |
Jul-19-08 05:21 PM |
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This is like asking if Hindus should allow reincarnation. |
rug |
Jul-19-08 05:23 PM |
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No, it's their church, they can believe what they want. |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-19-08 05:24 PM |
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The hierarchy of the church often believes in control -- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:12 AM |
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All fine and dandy. |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-20-08 01:08 AM |
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That's just the point . . . no you can't . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 11:00 AM |
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Only if men are allowed to be Nuns. n/t |
rucky |
Jul-19-08 05:25 PM |
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Except nuns marry God when they become nuns, but priests don't marry God. |
Breeze54 |
Jul-19-08 05:28 PM |
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Not at all |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-20-08 10:37 AM |
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I do wonder what will happen to the sisters and the brothers in the future... |
galledgoblin |
Jul-20-08 03:43 AM |
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Kinda like becoming a waiter at Hooters. |
rucky |
Jul-20-08 08:39 AM |
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I'm sure there would be those who continue to feel called to |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-20-08 10:39 AM |
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excellent points (n/t) |
galledgoblin |
Jul-20-08 12:06 PM |
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they can become |
mrs_p |
Jul-20-08 10:59 PM |
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I'm a non-practicing Catholic |
mvd |
Jul-19-08 05:30 PM |
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'Some' suggest that the book of John |
Mind_your_head |
Jul-19-08 11:55 PM |
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Of course . . . Mary was the "Apostle to the Apostles" . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:13 AM |
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No |
krispos42 |
Jul-20-08 12:03 AM |
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Right . . . the Catholic Church still REFUSES to acknowledge the full personhood of females . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:15 AM |
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I expect them to be consistant with their beliefs |
krispos42 |
Jul-20-08 12:35 AM |
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Honesty isn't exactly their policy . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:57 AM |
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And Judaism has four divisions, unlike the RCC. |
Perragrande |
Jul-20-08 01:06 AM |
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Well, "their beliefs" . . . are imposed upon our society . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 10:54 AM |
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wtf indeed, what on earth are you on about? |
spoony |
Jul-20-08 09:18 AM |
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No |
Book Lover |
Jul-20-08 12:15 AM |
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And they also have this Vatican nation -- one acre -- all males !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-08 12:17 AM |
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exactly! |
Leeny |
Jul-20-08 12:47 AM |
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I couldn't care less |
Canuckistanian |
Jul-20-08 01:04 AM |
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Definitely "Yes" but to be fair what about women as rabbis and imams? n/t |
pampango |
Jul-20-08 05:49 AM |
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There are currently female rabbis, but no female imams |
marshall |
Jul-20-08 09:31 AM |
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Maybe a better question would be, "Should the Catholic Church make the leap |
salguine |
Jul-20-08 09:24 AM |
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I see no reason beyond tradition to not allow female priests-- but they can do what want... |
aikoaiko |
Jul-20-08 09:29 AM |
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This is one of the major reasons I am no longer R. Catholic |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-20-08 10:26 AM |
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I'm a "collapsed Catholic." |
tomreedtoon |
Jul-20-08 11:21 AM |
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um, what jesuits |
mrs_p |
Jul-20-08 11:05 PM |
#128 |
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I don't hang around any Jesuits anymore. |
tomreedtoon |
Jul-21-08 11:10 AM |
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i am truly glad |
mrs_p |
Jul-21-08 11:20 AM |
#135 |
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As far as I'm concerned, any church with stupid rules can |
Ilsa |
Jul-20-08 11:02 PM |
#127 |
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so, i'm still considered new here |
mrs_p |
Jul-20-08 11:14 PM |
#129 |
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It is generally acceptable to offer criticism where due |
lwfern |
Jul-20-08 11:32 PM |
#131 |
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sorry...lwfern...your first option |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jul-21-08 11:13 AM |
#134 |
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Have you alerted on the posts when you see them? |
lwfern |
Jul-21-08 11:44 AM |
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i do...and it is sad |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jul-21-08 11:52 AM |
#137 |
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If you see something along the lines of that |
lwfern |
Jul-21-08 11:56 AM |
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i haven given up on that front |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jul-21-08 12:02 PM |
#139 |
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The Roman Catholic Church should fold, |
old mark |
Jul-21-08 04:56 AM |
#132 |
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