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Thu Jan-25-07 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #3 |
| 12. A non-virginal daughter is not "worth as much" on the marriage "market". |
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Females in those societies are little more than a commodity.
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| -Father kills daughter; doubted virginity |
helderheid |
Jan-25-07 09:28 AM |
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I'm guessing they missed the Father/Daughter Virginity Ball? |
trumad |
Jan-25-07 09:30 AM |
#1 |
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Well, He Couldn't Be Seen In Public With Her! |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-25-07 09:49 AM |
#24 |
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I just knew that was a story based in the US. |
xultar |
Jan-25-07 09:30 AM |
#2 |
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madness. |
mmonk |
Jan-25-07 09:31 AM |
#3 |
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A non-virginal daughter is not "worth as much" on the marriage "market". |
SoCalDem |
Jan-25-07 09:35 AM |
#12 |
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How much is a dead one worth? |
Deep13 |
Jan-25-07 10:19 AM |
#56 |
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Oddly, it BOOSTS the family's standing |
SoCalDem |
Jan-25-07 10:54 AM |
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What a lunatic. nt |
iconoclastic cat |
Jan-25-07 09:31 AM |
#4 |
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Ugh |
LostinVA |
Jan-25-07 09:31 AM |
#5 |
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Probably Never! |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-25-07 09:50 AM |
#25 |
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I know, I know |
LostinVA |
Jan-25-07 10:00 AM |
#32 |
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I am an eternal optimist |
etherealtruth |
Jan-25-07 11:44 AM |
#103 |
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And some people wondered why that "pledge your virginity" ceremony creeped some of us out |
Der Blaue Engel |
Jan-25-07 09:32 AM |
#6 |
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when one of the fathers from that ceremony kills his daughter |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 09:34 AM |
#9 |
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It's not equated, but there is a parallel |
treestar |
Jan-25-07 09:35 AM |
#14 |
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I agree with you here. |
helderheid |
Jan-25-07 09:36 AM |
#15 |
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semantics |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 09:38 AM |
#20 |
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It's not loving and protecting her - |
NCevilDUer |
Jan-25-07 09:44 AM |
#22 |
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have you ever been to one? |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 09:58 AM |
#31 |
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No, I haven't, but I do have two daughters. |
NCevilDUer |
Jan-25-07 10:16 AM |
#50 |
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But that is not a liberal doctrine n/a |
LostinVA |
Jan-25-07 11:46 AM |
#106 |
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No it's not. It's an unnatural and freakish obsession with their |
Bunny |
Jan-25-07 09:58 AM |
#30 |
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i agree with the statement on four year olds |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:02 AM |
#33 |
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So is losing one's virginity evil? |
helderheid |
Jan-25-07 10:04 AM |
#34 |
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apparently so |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-25-07 10:06 AM |
#35 |
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so, you have a problem with the religion... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:08 AM |
#38 |
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No, I have a problem with male control-freaks |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-25-07 10:09 AM |
#40 |
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so, if i teach my children my beliefs i am controlling them? |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:11 AM |
#43 |
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I wasn't speaking about you |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-25-07 10:13 AM |
#46 |
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you butted into my subthread with someone else |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:17 AM |
#52 |
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oh so this is YOUR thread? |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-25-07 10:19 AM |
#58 |
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nope...just pointing out that you can't seem to keep straight |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:21 AM |
#61 |
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Exactly -- saying this is a slam against religion is a strawman |
LostinVA |
Jan-25-07 11:48 AM |
#107 |
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It is an unfortunate element of some male- dominated cultures. |
WinkyDink |
Jan-25-07 01:34 PM |
#127 |
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Christian teaching holds sex outside of marriage as sin |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:07 AM |
#37 |
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Riiiight. So why aren't their purity balls with sons? |
helderheid |
Jan-25-07 10:08 AM |
#39 |
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which of these people has killed their child by this? |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:14 AM |
#49 |
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I am not saying that honor killings happen in our society. What I am saying is that this obsession |
helderheid |
Jan-25-07 10:18 AM |
#54 |
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i agree with you on the onesided nature |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:29 AM |
#64 |
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I'm sure of that about you - I just hope you can see the parallel with gender. |
helderheid |
Jan-25-07 10:30 AM |
#65 |
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I can dig that... n/t |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:31 AM |
#66 |
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Cool. |
helderheid |
Jan-25-07 10:32 AM |
#69 |
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yeah...it is |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:33 AM |
#70 |
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Indeed. |
helderheid |
Jan-25-07 11:06 PM |
#134 |
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Any statistics on how many people actually remain virgins until marriage? |
impeachdubya |
Jan-25-07 10:33 AM |
#71 |
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somewhere in what I think was another thread... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:43 AM |
#80 |
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I would tend to agree. I still find the purity balls creepy, but parents do have the right |
impeachdubya |
Jan-25-07 10:52 AM |
#86 |
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Good for you. But none of the rest of us will be held to your outdated morals. |
LeftyMom |
Jan-25-07 04:28 PM |
#133 |
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Sure, raise your kids however you want. Your definition of protection |
Bunny |
Jan-25-07 10:07 AM |
#36 |
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but do you KNOW what is going on there? |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:10 AM |
#41 |
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Nothing is "assumed" about making daughters sign pledges |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-25-07 10:12 AM |
#44 |
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absolutely. |
helderheid |
Jan-25-07 10:13 AM |
#47 |
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Exactly |
LostinVA |
Jan-25-07 11:49 AM |
#108 |
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Their motivation and behavior leaves very little to "assume". It's right out there for |
Bunny |
Jan-25-07 10:20 AM |
#59 |
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i agree...i do tend to assume that people generally have |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:26 AM |
#63 |
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I am not trying to bust your balls for raising your daughters in your |
Bunny |
Jan-25-07 10:31 AM |
#67 |
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He won't believe you |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-25-07 10:34 AM |
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nope...just you... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:35 AM |
#74 |
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God bless |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-25-07 10:37 AM |
#76 |
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so my sarcasm and lack of interest in your comment |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:41 AM |
#78 |
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God bless you |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-25-07 10:45 AM |
#81 |
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who is insulting? |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:47 AM |
#83 |
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well, at least you're not busting my balls |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:40 AM |
#77 |
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. |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-25-07 01:11 PM |
#126 |
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I knew we'd get there eventually... |
Tesha |
Jan-25-07 10:42 AM |
#79 |
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well, I never hid anything so I don't know why we FINALLY get to it |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:46 AM |
#82 |
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I would be willing to bet that almost no one who claimed to |
alarimer |
Jan-25-07 11:29 AM |
#97 |
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I CAN'T get married. EVER. |
kgfnally |
Jan-25-07 10:52 AM |
#85 |
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for women and men of the christian faith it IS wrong |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:59 AM |
#90 |
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Why am I so angry? |
kgfnally |
Jan-25-07 11:00 AM |
#92 |
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ok...I can see that |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 11:03 AM |
#93 |
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Your beliefs are directly responsible for suicides |
kgfnally |
Jan-25-07 11:11 AM |
#94 |
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you know what...you are wrong |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 11:21 AM |
#95 |
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No, actually, YOU are wrong |
kgfnally |
Jan-25-07 11:33 AM |
#98 |
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read the questions before what you are bitter about |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 11:42 AM |
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The poster isn't talking about SEX, even though that's what YOU'RE focusing on |
LostinVA |
Jan-25-07 11:51 AM |
#109 |
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well sex and marriage are kind of intertwined for christians of most sects |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 11:56 AM |
#112 |
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I'm an ex CCD teacher, and one of my minors was Comparative Religion |
LostinVA |
Jan-25-07 12:01 PM |
#114 |
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well, I never said you didn't |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 12:05 PM |
#117 |
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Oh, bullshit. Christ spoke about adultery and divorce, not pre-marital |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-25-07 12:39 PM |
#119 |
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don't bother to read anything else I have written here |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 12:54 PM |
#121 |
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Gee, I guess I didn't realize this was your private message board |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-25-07 01:10 PM |
#125 |
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you're really tightly focused on the issue at hand, I see |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 01:59 PM |
#129 |
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Well, I can't get married. I don't have legal rights. |
haruka3_2000 |
Jan-25-07 11:42 AM |
#101 |
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well, I cannot say what is right or wrong for YOU |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 11:44 AM |
#104 |
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Don't bother |
kgfnally |
Jan-25-07 11:45 AM |
#105 |
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If you love your daughter |
stanwyck |
Jan-25-07 11:53 AM |
#111 |
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Yes. The whole purity ball thing is just a weakened version |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-25-07 09:58 AM |
#29 |
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Only in the sense that a job is a weakened form of slavery, or some such. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-25-07 10:52 AM |
#87 |
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It's a weakened form of patriarchal control |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-25-07 12:41 PM |
#120 |
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Yup |
LostinVA |
Jan-25-07 11:53 AM |
#110 |
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I disagree |
Annces |
Jan-25-07 09:36 AM |
#16 |
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Agreed. |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-25-07 09:38 AM |
#19 |
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No, I can equate the two right now, because it is the same freaking mentality |
Der Blaue Engel |
Jan-25-07 10:11 AM |
#42 |
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logical fallacy seems to be ok with you...so go with that n/t |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:19 AM |
#57 |
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Denial seems to be okay with you...so go with that n/t |
Der Blaue Engel |
Jan-25-07 01:55 PM |
#128 |
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Like it's not going to happen... |
trumad |
Jan-25-07 10:35 AM |
#73 |
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well, it doesn't generally happen here a lot |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Jan-25-07 10:49 AM |
#84 |
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Let me guess. He killed her because she MIGHT HAVE lost her |
no_hypocrisy |
Jan-25-07 09:32 AM |
#7 |
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Jesus Christ, that is just so fucked up. |
two gun sid |
Jan-25-07 09:32 AM |
#8 |
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Man the penalties for homicide are pretty lenient in Jordan |
treestar |
Jan-25-07 09:34 AM |
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Very ugly |
Annces |
Jan-25-07 09:34 AM |
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She ran away several times for unknown reasons. |
NCevilDUer |
Jan-25-07 09:46 AM |
#23 |
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Anybody wanna spot me a plane ticket to Jordan |
realpolitik |
Jan-25-07 09:34 AM |
#11 |
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Ha! |
jellybeancurse |
Jan-25-07 09:57 AM |
#28 |
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She had run away "for unknown reasons." |
blonndee |
Jan-25-07 09:35 AM |
#13 |
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I'm sure he was abusive. The poor girl probably had good reason to run away. nt |
atommom |
Jan-25-07 09:38 AM |
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I'm thinking sexual abuse (non-penetrating). n/t |
NoodleyAppendage |
Jan-25-07 10:18 AM |
#55 |
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oh the horror. |
Lurking Dem |
Jan-25-07 09:37 AM |
#17 |
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God, no kidding. |
helderheid |
Jan-25-07 10:34 AM |
#72 |
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This is why I will always feel it is OK to pass judgment upon other cultures. |
Selatius |
Jan-25-07 09:43 AM |
#21 |
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If something is harmful, cruel or even insane... |
Deep13 |
Jan-25-07 10:16 AM |
#51 |
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Right, any country that treated a racial minority the way that women |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-25-07 11:28 AM |
#96 |
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Exactly |
etherealtruth |
Jan-25-07 12:04 PM |
#116 |
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This is inexcusable and uncivilized behavior |
fujiyama |
Jan-25-07 11:27 PM |
#137 |
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That's absolutely barbaric. |
Dulcinea |
Jan-25-07 09:50 AM |
#26 |
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This passage from the article says it all... |
Javaman |
Jan-25-07 10:12 AM |
#45 |
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Wow. |
Dorian Gray |
Jan-25-07 09:56 AM |
#27 |
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"The tests proved that she was a virgin" |
Deep13 |
Jan-25-07 10:14 AM |
#48 |
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An intact hymen is generally a pretty good clue - |
NCevilDUer |
Jan-25-07 10:25 AM |
#62 |
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The hymen is an elastic muscle. |
Deep13 |
Jan-25-07 10:31 AM |
#68 |
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It is almost always torn or stretched |
Lurking Dem |
Jan-25-07 11:59 AM |
#113 |
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I only know what the forensic nurse testified to. |
Deep13 |
Jan-25-07 12:04 PM |
#115 |
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Father-in-law was president of ACOG for quite a long time. |
Lurking Dem |
Jan-25-07 01:00 PM |
#122 |
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The father likely had latent urges to screw his daughter...he's rather kill her than share her. |
NoodleyAppendage |
Jan-25-07 10:17 AM |
#53 |
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She was a virgin 'til her father's bullet penetrated her. nt |
sweetheart |
Jan-25-07 10:21 AM |
#60 |
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men, including fathers have no business sticking their noses in women's |
donsu |
Jan-25-07 10:37 AM |
#75 |
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I think you probably go to far. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-25-07 10:56 AM |
#89 |
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to a point |
donsu |
Jan-25-07 11:38 AM |
#100 |
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I disagree too... |
SayWhatYo |
Jan-25-07 11:00 AM |
#91 |
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Gee, how radical. |
Deep13 |
Jan-25-07 01:05 PM |
#124 |
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Even if they are, like, 12... |
theboss |
Jan-25-07 02:30 PM |
#132 |
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The American version of this story.. |
turtlensue |
Jan-25-07 11:37 AM |
#99 |
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Don't fool yourself. Red states have no monopoly on stupid sexist control freaks |
Bucky |
Jan-25-07 11:44 AM |
#102 |
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and nothing will happen with this guy- he will go free |
Beaverhausen |
Jan-25-07 12:09 PM |
#118 |
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Usually against the death penalty |
shadowknows69 |
Jan-25-07 01:02 PM |
#123 |
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If he was so worried about "family honor".... |
Missy M |
Jan-25-07 02:27 PM |
#130 |
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In Jordan? |
slackmaster |
Jan-25-07 02:29 PM |
#131 |
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Religious insanity is rampant over there. |
MrSlayer |
Jan-25-07 11:19 PM |
#135 |
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Around the world, how many women kill their sons? |
ComeAndTakeIt |
Jan-25-07 11:21 PM |
#136 |
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