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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 09:42 AM
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77. a bit of an overstatement methinks.
There were three options on the Kucinich's impeachment resolution: an immediate up/down vote, a vote to table or a vote to refer. The fact that every Democrat voted to refer hardly suggests that they all would have voted for impeachment if there had been an immediate up/down vote (or would've voted against tabling if that had been the option). Referral was the "safe" vote, just as it has been on Kucinich's other impeachment resolutions.

I know folks want to be excited about this, but the fact is that it really doesn't change things very much. Yes, there may be a "televised" hearing on the failings and misdeeds of the chimpy gang, but it has been made clear that they won't be "impeachment" hearings and the chances of them leading to anything further in the way of impeachment proceedings are very small.

The reason for holding these hearings are complex, but mostly have to do with an effort to be responsive to that portion of the Democratic party base that has been calling for hearings and in order to keep negative stories about this administration in the news in order to help Democratic congressional candidates.

I think holding hearings is a good thing -- a position I've taken for several years -- but I'm not so naieve as to think that they will produce an impeachment proceeding.
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  -FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR - The Kucinich Impeachment Resolution - Yeas = 238 Nays = 180 !! Breeze54  Jul-15-08 06:22 PM   #0 
  - GOOD... and When stuff comes out  fascisthunter   Jul-15-08 06:28 PM   #1 
  - That public hearing should be quite interesting and open some eyes!!  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 06:32 PM   #2 
     - no I don't, but can help look around  fascisthunter   Jul-15-08 06:39 PM   #5 
     - Interesting that Conyers didn't vote on this  JFN1   Jul-16-08 12:20 PM   #89 
     - Here's the June 11  frog92969   Jul-16-08 06:41 PM   #104 
        - Changed to H.Res.799  frog92969   Jul-16-08 06:46 PM   #106 
  - Kick. n/t  pinto   Jul-15-08 06:37 PM   #3 
  - So call those 'Yeas' in your state  temperancedissent   Jul-15-08 06:38 PM   #4 
  - I'm trying to right now, but mine's mailbox is full.  tbyg52   Jul-15-08 07:20 PM   #27 
  - we should ask the reps to directly contact the network media to request coverage.  Voice for Peace   Jul-16-08 12:01 PM   #86 
  - k&r #5. nt  bananas   Jul-15-08 06:46 PM   #6 
  - It's a start.  robertpaulsen   Jul-15-08 06:48 PM   #7 
  - On Regular TV...NOT just cable!! Maybe on PBS or NBC, CBS & ABC!!  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 06:58 PM   #14 
  - Somebody pinch me I think I'm dreaming  bonito   Jul-15-08 06:53 PM   #8 
  - As long as we're going to air Bush's dirty laundry, it's good.  Jack Rabbit   Jul-15-08 06:55 PM   #9 
  - Exactly!! Baby steps, aggravating baby steps!  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:02 PM   #17 
  - An "election year review"?  Beam Me Up   Jul-15-08 06:55 PM   #10 
  - Wasn't this vote just to send it to the Judiciary Committee, like the last 35 articles?  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-15-08 06:56 PM   #11 
  - Conyers didn't vote?  Cleita   Jul-15-08 06:58 PM   #12 
  - good questions.  FarceOfNature   Jul-15-08 07:00 PM   #16 
  - Is there some rule that bars them from voting on this?  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:08 PM   #22 
  - I smell a Mexican Standoff:  lfairban   Jul-15-08 10:00 PM   #49 
  - Awesome links!! "I will move to 'impeach the President."- Biden  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 10:36 PM   #51 
  - What a bunch of scaredy cats.  Cleita   Jul-15-08 11:06 PM   #54 
  - Conyers has good reasons to keep his powder dry:  judasdisney   Jul-16-08 05:19 AM   #68 
     - Or........... when he lifts the rug and sweep, sweep, sweep.  pokercat999   Jul-16-08 05:12 PM   #98 
  - Perhaps the next resolution will actually get impeachment hearings.  LWolf   Jul-15-08 06:58 PM   #13 
  - DK is on the floor now fighting for poor people against the CC companies and house loan companies  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:04 PM   #19 
     - LOL  MuseRider   Jul-15-08 07:23 PM   #31 
     - You got that right! He will keep going! We should all send him $$ for his re-election campaign!  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:25 PM   #33 
        - Yup  MuseRider   Jul-15-08 07:28 PM   #35 
           - I'm sending what I can... but I need help!  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:30 PM   #36 
     - Yes, he will.  LWolf   Jul-15-08 07:31 PM   #37 
  - Why do so many republicans hate America?  Feeney2   Jul-15-08 06:59 PM   #15 
  - I've been asking that for years!!!!!  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:05 PM   #20 
  - They hate us for our freedoms.  Dinkeldog   Jul-16-08 06:25 PM   #102 
  - Brian Baird actually got a vote right for a change??  newmajority   Jul-15-08 07:02 PM   #18 
  - Looks like you have your work cut out for you.....  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:06 PM   #21 
  - Baird? My part-time "liberal" rep? Took time off writing editorials in support of the war?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-15-08 07:12 PM   #25 
  - Which Republicans voted yea?  Seen the light   Jul-15-08 07:10 PM   #23 
  - Go to the link and you can see the names italicized  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:21 PM   #28 
  - kickin for ron paul!  biermeister   Jul-16-08 02:12 PM   #92 
  - Nine repukes did the right thing?!  KamaAina   Jul-15-08 07:10 PM   #24 
  - Ah...It's Election Year And Shays Is Running Scared  KharmaTrain   Jul-15-08 08:09 PM   #43 
  - Shays voted yes!!!!! MY Shays???? Really????  jazzjunkysue   Jul-16-08 12:37 AM   #55 
     - He's Scared Shit Again...  KharmaTrain   Jul-16-08 01:03 AM   #63 
  - Reichert? Our own little arsonist?  Castleman   Jul-16-08 12:04 PM   #87 
  - Huh. How about that!  MuseRider   Jul-15-08 07:19 PM   #26 
  - Maybe all the petitions and e-mails are working?!  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:22 PM   #30 
     - Let's hope.  MuseRider   Jul-15-08 07:27 PM   #34 
        - Good idea!! I will too but in the AM....  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:32 PM   #38 
  - Don't congressional republicans realize that voting "yea" would be a great way  anonymous171   Jul-15-08 07:22 PM   #29 
  - They stampeded away from Bush today on the Medicare Veto over ride  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:23 PM   #32 
  - Dems must have made a deal with Bush: Lieberman gives Dems majority so long as they don't use it to  yurbud   Jul-15-08 07:33 PM   #39 
  - huh? I think you are confusing the House and the Senate  onenote   Jul-16-08 09:43 AM   #78 
     - the deal with Lieberman was for control of senate after 2006 election  yurbud   Jul-16-08 11:06 PM   #112 
  - Of course, Mica is on the "Nay" list. I wish to god we could get some decent people in Congress!  1monster   Jul-15-08 07:43 PM   #40 
  - Maybe he can be removed? Vote the bastid out!! n/t  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 07:59 PM   #41 
  - 229 to 0 Democrats. Now that's what I call great news.  autorank   Jul-15-08 08:05 PM   #42 
  - Democratic 229 + Republican 9 say YES to Impeachment!!  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 08:19 PM   #44 
     - Yes, I like that wedge.  autorank   Jul-16-08 02:06 AM   #64 
     - They are differentiated by party in italics at the link.  Breeze54   Jul-16-08 02:17 AM   #65 
        - The Nifty Nine - Republicans Voting YEA on "The Kucinich Resolution"  autorank   Jul-16-08 03:01 AM   #67 
           - And a toast to autorank for being there all the way & helping to find the repub Yea details!!!  Breeze54   Jul-16-08 05:35 AM   #69 
           - is the "nifty nine better than the "tip of the hat 24"?  onenote   Jul-16-08 06:06 PM   #101 
     - a bit of an overstatement methinks.  onenote   Jul-16-08 09:42 AM   #77 
  - Has this made it to the MSM or any of the news shows yet?  KaryninMiami   Jul-15-08 08:53 PM   #45 
  - I didn't watch the news... I was watching the voting on C-Span and I don't buy Pay TV.  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 09:09 PM   #46 
  - Thank you Dennis for fighting the good fight!!  Ichingcarpenter   Jul-15-08 09:12 PM   #47 
  - I'm going to want the collector DVD for this one when it comes out  IDemo   Jul-15-08 09:14 PM   #48 
  - This was symbolic, right?  Canuckistanian   Jul-15-08 10:09 PM   #50 
  - No !  Breeze54   Jul-15-08 10:37 PM   #52 
     - OK. Here's hoping....  Canuckistanian   Jul-15-08 10:46 PM   #53 
  - Here's my letter to my own Chris Shays  jazzjunkysue   Jul-16-08 12:46 AM   #56 
  - You know you want to.  jazzjunkysue   Jul-16-08 12:48 AM   #57 
  - Great letter!! -- Is he a repub?  Breeze54   Jul-16-08 12:51 AM   #59 
     - Thanks. He's a repub but seeing the light.  jazzjunkysue   Jul-16-08 07:01 AM   #73 
  - I feel faint.  Lugnut   Jul-16-08 12:49 AM   #58 
  - I did too earlier!  Breeze54   Jul-16-08 12:53 AM   #61 
  - It's hard to tell with Paul.  Lugnut   Jul-16-08 09:33 AM   #76 
  - Kanjorski also voted aye on referring Kucinich's other impeachment resolutions  onenote   Jul-16-08 10:00 AM   #82 
  - Complicity if the Dem's and the M$M fail to report this as a valid news story event.  Imagevision   Jul-16-08 12:53 AM   #60 
  - Do you have cable TV? I haven't watched TV today at all.  Breeze54   Jul-16-08 12:55 AM   #62 
  - How did Nancy Pelosi vote? She's not listed.  Alexander   Jul-16-08 02:23 AM   #66 
  - It has been asked, over and over & at Post # 12... this isn't the only thread about this.  Breeze54   Jul-16-08 05:36 AM   #70 
     - The Speaker of the House traditionally does not cast a vote  Hippo_Tron   Jul-16-08 06:29 PM   #103 
        - I figured as much. Thanks for the info.  Alexander   Jul-16-08 08:30 PM   #110 
  - Another set of hearing the bu$h regime will refuse to testify for  liberal N proud   Jul-16-08 05:46 AM   #71 
  - Look at the bigger picture.... get it out on the airwaves for the public to see  Breeze54   Jul-16-08 06:49 AM   #72 
  - Definitely  liberal N proud   Jul-16-08 07:03 AM   #74 
  - If we pound it into the public discourse, through televised hearings.  tekisui   Jul-16-08 07:06 AM   #75 
  - Boren voted yea.  Z_I_Peevey   Jul-16-08 09:51 AM   #79 
  - why are you surprised? Boren voted yea on motions to refer Kucinich's other impeachment resolutions  onenote   Jul-16-08 09:58 AM   #81 
     - I haven't kept up with his votes on this issue, and my  Z_I_Peevey   Jul-16-08 10:25 AM   #83 
  - good to see my two reps voted yes, one is up for re election  alyce douglas   Jul-16-08 09:55 AM   #80 
  - great. when is the hearing scheduled for? december? n/t  orleans   Jul-16-08 11:22 AM   #84 
  - Before Aug. Recess, possibly....  Breeze54   Jul-16-08 12:25 PM   #90 
  - presumably before Congress adjourns at the end of September  onenote   Jul-16-08 06:02 PM   #100 
  - I see my idiot rep didn't even bother to vote.  Yael   Jul-16-08 12:00 PM   #85 
  - WOOHOO another strongly worded letter  Indenturedebtor   Jul-16-08 12:10 PM   #88 
  - Jaded as I am cant help but think air time doesnt amount for much  ann_american2004   Jul-16-08 01:32 PM   #91 
  - Just the thing  Bette Noir   Jul-16-08 02:16 PM   #93 
  - Better than nothing.  D23MIURG23   Jul-16-08 02:25 PM   #94 
  - can we impeach McCain... ahead of time... just in case he gets elected ;*)  happygoluckytoyou   Jul-16-08 03:23 PM   #95 
  - LOL! I'm for dat!  lonestarnot   Jul-16-08 05:52 PM   #99 
  - K&R for Kucinich  bluevoter4life   Jul-16-08 03:43 PM   #96 
  - Just as long as 911 isnt mentioned right ?  Twist_U_Up   Jul-16-08 04:21 PM   #97 
  - So? It's a meaningless event.  Phred42   Jul-16-08 06:45 PM   #105 
     - Never.  Breeze54   Jul-16-08 07:08 PM   #107 
        - You understand that Pelosi has already stated that they are  Phred42   Jul-16-08 07:32 PM   #108 
           - Looks like she changed her mind, huh?  Breeze54   Jul-16-08 08:24 PM   #109 
              - I hope YOU'RE right.  Phred42   Jul-16-08 10:37 PM   #111 

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