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Wed Jul-16-08 01:55 PM
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| 131. discussion on the Catholic Channel about the Birth Rate |
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I was channel surfing the other day and heard a question on
what I call the Catholic channel that verified a suspicion of
mine. They asked one of the ministers if they were concerned
about the falling birth rate in Europe and the rising birth
rate among Muslims. They wanted to know if they were
concerned that Christians would be in the minority soon. I
think this whole thing is about the politics of birth rate.
Sounds like a losing game to me.
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| -HHS Moves to Define Contraception as Abortion |
margotb822 |
Jul-15-08 04:44 PM |
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k & r for this most important topic |
niyad |
Jul-15-08 04:47 PM |
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Thinking about it |
margotb822 |
Jul-16-08 02:55 PM |
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My God. How far backwards do we need to go? |
Iris |
Jul-15-08 04:47 PM |
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I vote for 1776 |
hootinholler |
Jul-15-08 05:01 PM |
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seen John Adams? |
druidity33 |
Jul-15-08 05:33 PM |
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Personally? I vote for 1789. But in Paris. A good dose of that here, now, might work wonders. |
salguine |
Jul-15-08 11:19 PM |
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Now you're talking. |
cliffordu |
Jul-16-08 12:16 AM |
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But the end result was the Reign of Terror, |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-16-08 07:32 AM |
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Way I see it... |
Chulanowa |
Jul-16-08 01:08 PM |
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I'm very much aware of what followed, believe me. But the way |
salguine |
Jul-16-08 05:02 PM |
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! |
Blue State Native |
Jul-16-08 08:28 AM |
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The GOP is an abortion. |
tridim |
Jul-15-08 04:48 PM |
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In the case of the GOP, maybe we could make abortions retroactive . n/t |
tblue37 |
Jul-15-08 10:53 PM |
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Here's the NYT article on this; this is truly nuts. |
babylonsister |
Jul-15-08 04:49 PM |
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Please |
MadrasT |
Jul-15-08 04:49 PM |
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If it were only so |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jul-16-08 12:30 AM |
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Enough of the Red State-Blue State crap |
Blue Gardener |
Jul-16-08 05:16 AM |
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"compassionate people are here in the Midwest" |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jul-16-08 08:03 AM |
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Actually, |
emmadoggy |
Jul-16-08 12:48 PM |
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FL actually went for Gore in 2000 |
lark |
Jul-16-08 03:18 PM |
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No |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jul-16-08 03:54 PM |
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They very narrowly won most of those "red" states in the South, too. |
Clark2008 |
Jul-16-08 08:35 AM |
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As a Missourian, I really don't appreciate your map and commentary |
Sherman A1 |
Jul-16-08 08:11 AM |
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How sick |
ismnotwasm |
Jul-15-08 04:51 PM |
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That's been the far right's goal all along |
depakid |
Jul-15-08 04:51 PM |
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Off to the Greatest. |
Firespirit |
Jul-15-08 04:51 PM |
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I hope everyone now realizes |
femrap |
Jul-15-08 11:11 PM |
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Top level yes - ground workers are not rw - they do everything they |
jwirr |
Jul-16-08 03:55 PM |
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Yes, of course. I feel |
femrap |
Jul-16-08 08:44 PM |
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Definitely. |
jwirr |
Jul-16-08 09:01 PM |
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And unable to find one, and unable to get on welfare |
HawkeyeX |
Jul-18-08 10:12 PM |
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"Human life" |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jul-16-08 12:32 AM |
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I would fine-tune that just a bit, though. |
Clark2008 |
Jul-16-08 08:38 AM |
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not true |
Lance_Boyle |
Jul-16-08 12:36 PM |
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Your wording is better |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jul-16-08 06:40 PM |
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Any medical doctor that is against contraception and prescribing should be board decertified. |
LiberalFighter |
Jul-16-08 02:49 PM |
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Anyone who researchs my posts ... |
Maat |
Jul-15-08 04:53 PM |
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I can't say I'm surprised to hear there weren't any right-to-lifers in your classes. |
beac |
Jul-15-08 10:30 PM |
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Exactly (n/t)! |
Maat |
Jul-15-08 10:36 PM |
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We love the babies UNTIL they're born! |
mac56 |
Jul-16-08 08:38 AM |
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Excactly! Why don't each of these right to lifers each adopt |
eagertolearn |
Jul-16-08 11:29 AM |
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One problem with that solution: |
lolly |
Jul-16-08 03:27 PM |
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You're right! You mean brainwashing camps! n/t |
eagertolearn |
Jul-18-08 09:29 PM |
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They don't give a rats @ss about the fetus |
lark |
Jul-16-08 03:25 PM |
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I'm not surprised, either. |
kimmylavin |
Jul-15-08 11:10 PM |
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Exactly .... |
Maat |
Jul-17-08 12:47 PM |
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Not surprised. I knew two anti-choice parents who said that the would |
Lorien |
Jul-16-08 12:38 AM |
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good for her, she gets a darwin award |
comtec |
Jul-16-08 07:32 AM |
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What would have been ironic justice would be if her Mom said "Dear, |
MiniMe |
Jul-16-08 07:35 AM |
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speaking as |
pc1971 |
Jul-16-08 11:40 AM |
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She does (n/t)! |
Maat |
Jul-17-08 12:53 PM |
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That's the attitude I'm talking about - very disturbing. |
Maat |
Jul-17-08 12:46 PM |
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So very true. Thank you for adopting. |
beyurslf |
Jul-16-08 09:12 AM |
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Bless you and yours ( in a very upbeat, positive, Universalist way)! |
Maat |
Jul-17-08 12:44 PM |
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It's extremely common for a fertilized, unimplanted egg to be expelled at the end of the cycle. |
Mister Ed |
Jul-15-08 04:53 PM |
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Can they legislate against menstruation? |
MiniMe |
Jul-16-08 07:36 AM |
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You really have to wonder if they will at this point. |
f the letter |
Jul-16-08 02:24 PM |
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I, too, wish you were kidding |
polmaven |
Jul-16-08 09:56 AM |
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Well, we need to be on guard with our Democrats as well. |
madfloridian |
Jul-15-08 04:56 PM |
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Heard someone talking about a "Democrats for LIfe" group . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-15-08 09:52 PM |
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These people cannot be trusted to do the right thing. It's all about |
nosmokes |
Jul-15-08 04:59 PM |
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Please let's not |
polmaven |
Jul-16-08 10:00 AM |
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I wish religion didn't hafta be part of this debate, polmaven |
nosmokes |
Jul-16-08 02:40 PM |
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Actually, |
polmaven |
Jul-16-08 02:52 PM |
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This was in Alabama where methodists are sorta baptist lite.. |
nosmokes |
Jul-16-08 03:37 PM |
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Well, yeah... |
polmaven |
Jul-16-08 04:04 PM |
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I'm so sick of these rat bastards. |
NC_Nurse |
Jul-15-08 05:00 PM |
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What's next??? |
southern_belle |
Jul-15-08 05:20 PM |
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This "proposal" means rape victims do not receive emergency contraception at hospitals |
Justitia |
Jul-15-08 05:21 PM |
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What's next? Compulsory chastity belts? n/t |
melody |
Jul-15-08 05:29 PM |
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I'm glad I don't need contraception at my age. It would take serious |
kestrel91316 |
Jul-15-08 05:35 PM |
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If you have a daughter |
Jake3463 |
Jul-15-08 05:42 PM |
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I have a niece. Put she and her generation are gonna have to do the |
kestrel91316 |
Jul-15-08 07:43 PM |
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When I think I'm getting old, I think of Pete Seeger |
Alcibiades |
Jul-15-08 10:01 PM |
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Why is it none of your business? |
michele77 |
Jul-16-08 07:26 AM |
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I'm 56 and still fighting for my daughter |
lark |
Jul-16-08 03:30 PM |
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Eventually, masturbation will be considered abortion |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Jul-15-08 05:38 PM |
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'Every Sperm Is Sacred' -- Monty Python |
LastLiberal in PalmSprings |
Jul-16-08 05:06 AM |
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And yet, |
montanto |
Jul-16-08 01:26 PM |
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Contraception |
Jake3463 |
Jul-15-08 05:39 PM |
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K & R n/t |
anitar1 |
Jul-15-08 05:42 PM |
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there was an article from 2000 called "the only moral abortion is my abortion" |
ladywnch |
Jul-15-08 06:15 PM |
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i do |
ptm216 |
Jul-15-08 07:17 PM |
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Here you go |
ismnotwasm |
Jul-15-08 11:03 PM |
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Good article, and that's common among religious-types |
Nevernose |
Jul-15-08 11:16 PM |
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I've seen the same thing |
ismnotwasm |
Jul-16-08 08:26 AM |
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Thank you. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jul-16-08 09:59 AM |
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Thank you for that link and |
leftynyc |
Jul-16-08 12:23 PM |
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Yup |
FloridaJudy |
Jul-16-08 02:31 AM |
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. |
Lars39 |
Jul-15-08 07:07 PM |
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They'll try to quietly get away with this, but way too many women and men |
Ilsa |
Jul-15-08 07:23 PM |
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Any man that doesn't want to become a single parent might support this as well. |
Iris |
Jul-16-08 09:50 AM |
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K & R |
ihavenobias |
Jul-15-08 07:27 PM |
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Do any of these people have medical degrees? |
Nikia |
Jul-15-08 07:33 PM |
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It'll never happen |
briv1016 |
Jul-15-08 07:38 PM |
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We've heard that at every step backwards. |
Lars39 |
Jul-15-08 07:54 PM |
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Pressure can be put on them in many ways . . because they have so many products approved ... |
defendandprotect |
Jul-15-08 09:56 PM |
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Bush has already made it legal for PHARMACISTS to refuse to fill prescriptions for The Pill... |
Hekate |
Jul-16-08 12:29 AM |
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I think it shows their desperation . . . but I'm sure they'll have no problem with VIAGRA . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-08 02:57 PM |
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Their beef is anything funded by federal dollars. At least thats where they are starting |
MiniMe |
Jul-16-08 07:39 AM |
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And this is why there is a seperation of church and state.. |
MadMaddie |
Jul-15-08 07:51 PM |
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When we're passing taxpayer MONEY onto churches, Separation of Church & State . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-15-08 09:57 PM |
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And this is why I am angry at Obama for touting government support for |
Demoiselle |
Jul-15-08 09:58 PM |
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2 things |
Jake3463 |
Jul-15-08 10:06 PM |
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not really...3rd trimester abortions are a hot-button issue for religionists |
noiretblu |
Jul-16-08 04:35 PM |
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Agreed but I will also add....if these church organizations |
MadMaddie |
Jul-15-08 10:54 PM |
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Incredible - scary stuff. |
litlady |
Jul-15-08 09:16 PM |
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Every sperm is sacred... |
rucky |
Jul-15-08 09:17 PM |
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Great. |
progressoid |
Jul-15-08 09:22 PM |
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Just another reason to get the fundie zealots out of our government. n/t |
LibInTexas |
Jul-15-08 09:23 PM |
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These are crazed people, but corrupt government is entangled with church now . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-15-08 09:51 PM |
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Don't forget, Obama supports giving money to religious organizations too. nt |
TheGoldenRule |
Jul-15-08 11:01 PM |
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Don't forget, Obama has been "blessed" by Planned Parenthood. nt |
Hekate |
Jul-16-08 12:31 AM |
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That's good to understand . . . however . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-17-08 09:49 PM |
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What's next? Rejecting a pick up line? |
CreekDog |
Jul-15-08 10:25 PM |
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To coin a phrase from our friend Mike Malloy |
givemebackmycountry |
Jul-15-08 10:57 PM |
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WTF?! Is this even Legal?! |
TheGoldenRule |
Jul-15-08 11:00 PM |
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*tears hair* this is unthinkable . thanks shrub et al for taking us to unfathamable depths n/t k/r |
LaStrega |
Jul-16-08 12:00 AM |
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Ahhh, the Global Gag Order comes home to roost. On Bush's very first day in the Oval Office... |
Hekate |
Jul-16-08 12:18 AM |
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K&R also because it is hard to believe this happens in 2008. /nt |
Overseas |
Jul-16-08 12:31 AM |
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What kills me about these nutcases |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jul-16-08 12:35 AM |
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And the really screwed up part... |
pipi_k |
Jul-16-08 08:26 AM |
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"Science made it possible for them to override God's plan" |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jul-16-08 08:00 PM |
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time to start retroactive aborting them |
Neo |
Jul-16-08 12:56 AM |
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Actually, I don't think of it as last ditch digs |
JPettus |
Jul-16-08 01:18 AM |
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I have to agree with you. |
progdog |
Jul-16-08 10:14 AM |
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I'm so fucking sick and tired of these religious whackjobs running... |
Fox Mulder |
Jul-16-08 01:41 AM |
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If they want to remove a foetus |
snot |
Jul-16-08 04:48 AM |
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Good lord |
VWolf |
Jul-16-08 07:22 AM |
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The more we expose this crazy shit, the worse McCain and the GOP look |
bunkerbuster1 |
Jul-16-08 07:41 AM |
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If they're going to do that, hand jobs and bj's should be outlawed too. |
raccoon |
Jul-16-08 07:56 AM |
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K&R n/t |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-16-08 08:05 AM |
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Female control over contraception is probably THE MOST IMP. indicator |
RainDog |
Jul-16-08 08:17 AM |
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Women will have to fight for their freedom all over again it seems |
windoe |
Jul-16-08 08:18 AM |
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I sit here and daydream |
pipi_k |
Jul-16-08 08:42 AM |
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so every time my bc prevents a fertilized egg from implanting, its an abortion? |
FLDem5 |
Jul-16-08 08:45 AM |
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Even if you're not on bc |
margotb822 |
Jul-16-08 11:11 AM |
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This has been their goal all along! It's not about abortion, it's about the birthrate. |
Joanne98 |
Jul-16-08 08:49 AM |
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When will they go away? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jul-16-08 09:10 AM |
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Are they going to ban Condoms too? |
liberal N proud |
Jul-16-08 09:21 AM |
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Probably on the second list. |
no_hypocrisy |
Jul-16-08 09:23 AM |
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Condoms protect men |
aphopkin |
Jul-16-08 10:27 AM |
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Does anyone not realize how important it is that we get Barack in the Oval Office yet? |
Alter Ego |
Jul-16-08 09:23 AM |
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Oh let me guess. My beloved Dave is behind the Weldon amendment. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Jul-16-08 10:17 AM |
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It's only a matter of time until they determine that masturbation is genocide. |
King Sandbox |
Jul-16-08 11:13 AM |
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Well, that would even it out |
margotb822 |
Jul-16-08 11:14 AM |
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Life begins in the gonads |
Terry in Austin |
Jul-16-08 11:38 AM |
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Therefore ovulation is murder! |
Karl_Bonner_1982 |
Jul-16-08 03:37 PM |
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Look you cretins! Every sperm is sacred!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Indenturedebtor |
Jul-16-08 11:24 AM |
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K&R. |
Vidar |
Jul-16-08 11:36 AM |
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Ugh! What the crap is wrong with our HHS? |
PerpetuallyDazed |
Jul-16-08 11:55 AM |
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49% of Americans are idiots? |
lark |
Jul-16-08 03:44 PM |
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We need to outlaw organized religion in the US. It makes as much sense. This is BS. rec'd |
williesgirl |
Jul-16-08 12:00 PM |
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that would mean outlawing spermicide. ought to outlaw viagra, too, in order to prevent |
Voice for Peace |
Jul-16-08 12:04 PM |
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Someone WANTS the US to be a third-world country, and they're using the idiot religious right |
Dr_eldritch |
Jul-16-08 12:09 PM |
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Has anyone asked Mccain how |
leftynyc |
Jul-16-08 12:15 PM |
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Yeah, let's get McCain's position on this issue ON THE RECORD |
butlerd |
Jul-16-08 04:14 PM |
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Are they advocating a return to |
xxqqqzme |
Jul-16-08 12:51 PM |
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And here's the next step: |
jeff30997 |
Jul-16-08 01:02 PM |
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Bush has stacked government departments with rightwing appointees |
suffragette |
Jul-16-08 01:49 PM |
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discussion on the Catholic Channel about the Birth Rate |
KrazyinKS |
Jul-16-08 01:55 PM |
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100 recs for this indication of how important it is to get the Repukes out of the White House |
BrklynLiberal |
Jul-16-08 01:59 PM |
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The ridiculous extremes to which this can be taken.. |
JackDragna |
Jul-16-08 02:11 PM |
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Totally agree and am with you in hate |
lark |
Jul-16-08 03:50 PM |
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I hate the right wing |
English Lady |
Jul-16-08 02:47 PM |
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I hate them too |
RainDog |
Jul-16-08 03:06 PM |
#141 |
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Wouldn't that be a nice little lame duck gift to the RW. |
Cant trust em |
Jul-16-08 03:14 PM |
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This shows the real agenda. |
Karl_Bonner_1982 |
Jul-16-08 03:24 PM |
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So they're quoting a poll from 2001 to justify redefining legitimate medical terms? |
elehhhhna |
Jul-16-08 03:34 PM |
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HERE COMES ANOTHER TEENAGE PACT! |
tyon517izhere |
Jul-16-08 03:34 PM |
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This is blatantly political - they are out after the Roman Catholic vote |
jwirr |
Jul-16-08 03:47 PM |
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most catholic women |
mrs_p |
Jul-16-08 04:12 PM |
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I know but I doubt that the repubs know that. |
jwirr |
Jul-16-08 06:51 PM |
#166 |
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So I'm nine months older than my birth date? |
Mendocino |
Jul-16-08 03:57 PM |
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There are no nice words to describe what is going on here and everywhere, other than... |
OMomma |
Jul-16-08 04:07 PM |
#159 |
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ugh |
mrs_p |
Jul-16-08 04:16 PM |
#162 |