| 108. I haven't seen anyone here feeling glee |
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All humans die - it's that simple.
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| -Why Exactly is it Bad to Speak Ill of the Dead? |
evilkumquat |
Jul-13-08 12:03 PM |
#0 |
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Because they will rise from the grave and eat your brains. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-13-08 12:04 PM |
#1 |
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... |
Benhurst |
Jul-13-08 12:08 PM |
#8 |
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OMG |
mexicoxpat |
Jul-13-08 01:47 PM |
#41 |
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LOL |
malaise |
Jul-13-08 03:15 PM |
#71 |
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They want a meal, not a snack. |
tomreedtoon |
Jul-13-08 03:47 PM |
#85 |
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Very true. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-13-08 06:21 PM |
#111 |
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It's not a joke -- it's the actual reason |
starroute |
Jul-14-08 04:29 PM |
#193 |
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What's the point? They're dead and can't hear you. Best to do it |
babylonsister |
Jul-13-08 12:06 PM |
#2 |
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People like Tony Snow don't listen to us dead or alive. |
tridim |
Jul-13-08 12:11 PM |
#9 |
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What's the point? Uh, how about not letting the truth die with them? |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:03 PM |
#122 |
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Then you go ahead and speak ill of anyone you want; I think it's |
babylonsister |
Jul-14-08 06:35 AM |
#156 |
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Maybe if more people knew they'd be remembered for the damage they did, |
Dr_eldritch |
Jul-14-08 04:41 AM |
#154 |
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"Hell, we do it all the time. Smirk." - Commander AWOL |
SpiralHawk |
Jul-13-08 12:06 PM |
#3 |
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The best thing to remember about dancing on a grave |
Warpy |
Jul-13-08 12:07 PM |
#4 |
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I believe that's what's known as a "grave mistake" |
Orrex |
Jul-13-08 12:07 PM |
#7 |
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It's not really the dead who are honored, but their survivors. |
TexasObserver |
Jul-13-08 12:07 PM |
#5 |
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That's a good observation |
Orrex |
Jul-13-08 12:26 PM |
#21 |
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And you won't be alone either! |
Raksha |
Jul-14-08 04:23 PM |
#191 |
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for the same reason I'm against the death penalty |
lwfern |
Jul-13-08 12:07 PM |
#6 |
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and the main tragedy is... |
World Citizen |
Jul-13-08 12:15 PM |
#13 |
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Well-said. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:04 PM |
#123 |
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You've hit the nail on the head |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jul-13-08 12:17 PM |
#16 |
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Amen. |
A-Schwarzenegger |
Jul-13-08 12:29 PM |
#25 |
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I am Against the Death Penalty... |
evilkumquat |
Jul-13-08 01:56 PM |
#44 |
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When my youngest sister died it was not a tragedy |
malaise |
Jul-13-08 03:24 PM |
#77 |
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No need to apologize to me. |
lwfern |
Jul-13-08 04:07 PM |
#93 |
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I haven't seen anyone here feeling glee |
malaise |
Jul-13-08 05:25 PM |
#108 |
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The "glee at someone's pain"? Whose pain? |
Frank Cannon |
Jul-13-08 06:48 PM |
#116 |
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It's not about the deceased, |
qazplm |
Jul-13-08 12:12 PM |
#10 |
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Even Hitler had relatives. You want to not bring up the Holocaust to avoid hurting their feelings? |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:07 PM |
#124 |
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I have decided that about a week is enough time to remain respectfully silent. |
Liberal Veteran |
Jul-13-08 12:12 PM |
#11 |
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We do it for the living |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jul-13-08 12:15 PM |
#12 |
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Is it fair to be one-sided though? |
hfojvt |
Jul-13-08 02:02 PM |
#48 |
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Fanfuckingtastic point. You absolutely NAILED it. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:10 PM |
#127 |
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Thank you. |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-13-08 08:10 PM |
#144 |
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Define Evil |
iamjoy |
Jul-13-08 12:16 PM |
#14 |
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The dead don't get a free pass, but... |
TreasonousBastard |
Jul-13-08 12:17 PM |
#15 |
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It seems speaking the truth is also confused with speaking ill of the dead. |
dadsblacksheep |
Jul-13-08 12:18 PM |
#17 |
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That is exactly correct |
Orrex |
Jul-13-08 12:24 PM |
#19 |
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Because DU mods will delete your posts |
Phred42 |
Jul-13-08 12:18 PM |
#18 |
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And there it is. The OP's question has been answered. |
Robeson |
Jul-13-08 12:27 PM |
#24 |
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And have been! |
krispos42 |
Jul-13-08 04:47 PM |
#102 |
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because we the living are supposed to eat any kind of shit apparently |
pitohui |
Jul-13-08 12:25 PM |
#20 |
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I don't know, but I hated that fucker Reagan. |
graywarrior |
Jul-13-08 12:26 PM |
#22 |
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it makes no sense to give the recently dead a free pass |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 12:27 PM |
#23 |
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Death does not change what a person was. |
nancyr |
Jul-13-08 12:40 PM |
#26 |
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There are several reasons |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 12:48 PM |
#27 |
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Thank you, Jack. |
enlightenment |
Jul-13-08 01:00 PM |
#32 |
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Well said |
tsegat01 |
Jul-13-08 01:07 PM |
#34 |
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nothing counts or matters |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 01:59 PM |
#45 |
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No, it has to do with a little something called "nuance." |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 02:10 PM |
# |
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I know all about it. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 06:10 PM |
#109 |
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How is "nuance" your "stock in trade?" |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:47 AM |
#166 |
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I'm a professional songwriter |
leftofthedial |
Jul-14-08 09:16 AM |
#172 |
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LOL! And that makes nuance your "stock in trade"....how? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 09:19 AM |
#174 |
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In every important way. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-14-08 09:38 AM |
#176 |
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I don't think you understood a word I said |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 03:26 PM |
#79 |
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Nicely done |
krispos42 |
Jul-13-08 04:43 PM |
#100 |
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Hitler? Okay. Hitler died way too late. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 06:20 PM |
#110 |
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thank you leftofthedial |
pitohui |
Jul-13-08 06:54 PM |
#120 |
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my pleasure. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 11:30 PM |
#146 |
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Great post! |
tabasco |
Jul-13-08 07:18 PM |
#129 |
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Response |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 07:37 PM |
#141 |
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what acts did snow or russert or any of these wads do |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 11:32 PM |
#147 |
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"they were bad guys." |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-14-08 01:33 AM |
#150 |
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I'm "reviewing" reality. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-14-08 09:33 AM |
#175 |
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I'm going to let this drop after this |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-14-08 05:18 PM |
#195 |
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I never said I want to reduce anyone or anything to "pure evil." |
leftofthedial |
Jul-14-08 05:35 PM |
#197 |
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Standing ovation! |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-13-08 08:15 PM |
#145 |
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Using Your Argument, No One is Ever Truly "Evil" |
evilkumquat |
Jul-13-08 02:08 PM |
#49 |
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pure black and white still exists in this world from time to time |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 03:36 PM |
#80 |
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Would a Better Question Be: Is the World Better or Worse Off? |
evilkumquat |
Jul-13-08 06:47 PM |
#115 |
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That's more llike it |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 07:44 PM |
#143 |
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(shrug) Some are less ambiguous than others. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-13-08 02:53 PM |
#61 |
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True. |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 03:38 PM |
#81 |
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Awesome post in this thread |
architect359 |
Jul-14-08 09:13 AM |
#171 |
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I think that the wrong wing has lost a lot |
hyphenate |
Jul-13-08 12:51 PM |
#28 |
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In part because one measure of a person's character is how they treat |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-13-08 12:54 PM |
#29 |
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Ugh, I think it is a defense issue. |
lonestarnot |
Jul-13-08 12:57 PM |
#30 |
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Does anyone here actually think that some rethugs widow is reading anything |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-13-08 12:59 PM |
#31 |
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Interesting post, considering your online name. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 01:39 PM |
#40 |
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I never said that, maybe you should read my post again. |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-13-08 01:51 PM |
#42 |
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I read it the first time. Do you really think referring to Snow's bereaved wife |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 01:59 PM |
#46 |
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I really don't give |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-13-08 02:44 PM |
#54 |
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I was asking what YOU thought. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 02:47 PM |
#56 |
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It's a statement of fact - would this alleged Jesus guy frown on stating facts? |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:24 PM |
#131 |
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Yeah, and every Freeper who defends Coulter's disgusting comments |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:35 AM |
#159 |
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Because it's hurtful |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-13-08 01:00 PM |
#33 |
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No, I laughed (heartily) at the deaths of hate-filled racists like Helms & Falwell. |
U4ikLefty |
Jul-13-08 06:39 PM |
#113 |
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You put too much faith |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-13-08 07:23 PM |
#130 |
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Okay. Here's my answer. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 01:09 PM |
#35 |
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Feeling Hate Toward the Hateful is Human |
evilkumquat |
Jul-13-08 07:09 PM |
#126 |
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Ho-hum. The usual rationalizations. If I had a dime for every Freeper, |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:56 AM |
#167 |
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Careful... |
evilkumquat |
Jul-14-08 10:16 AM |
#181 |
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Can you deny my point? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 03:49 PM |
#186 |
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As Near as I Can Tell... |
evilkumquat |
Jul-14-08 03:55 PM |
#189 |
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As usual, Pam, you nailed it |
Avemedea |
Jul-14-08 12:32 PM |
#185 |
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If St Peter hears us talking about the sins of the dead, he might not let them thru the Pearly Gates |
librechik |
Jul-13-08 01:18 PM |
#36 |
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I think especially after a person first dies it is a basic sense of decency and fair play. |
elocs |
Jul-13-08 01:34 PM |
#37 |
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i (somewhat begrudgingly) agree that the respect for the loved one's trumps... |
islandmkl |
Jul-13-08 01:38 PM |
#38 |
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My grandmother told my aunt that after she dies she will claw her way |
alfredo |
Jul-13-08 01:39 PM |
#39 |
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What if the family/loved ones of the deceased are living off the |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 01:55 PM |
#43 |
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It's still wrong. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 02:01 PM |
#47 |
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No I taught my kids to be themselves, but I don't understand what you are saying what is still wrong |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 03:03 PM |
#64 |
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I'm saying that nobody deserves to die in pain. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:05 PM |
#65 |
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I didn't say anything about deserving to die in pain, but he does NOT deserve my respect! |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 03:10 PM |
#67 |
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My apologies. I briefly confused you with someone in another discussion. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:22 PM |
#74 |
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there are, of course, various shades of 'they' |
hfojvt |
Jul-13-08 02:10 PM |
#50 |
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"This is not meant as a snarky question, or a belligerent post....." |
Cleita |
Jul-13-08 02:12 PM |
#51 |
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It's the revisionist history I can't stand. |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 02:40 PM |
#52 |
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Do you understand WHY the moderators felt compelled to make an announcement |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 02:48 PM |
#57 |
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Knowing how fair the mods are, I suspect it was really bad jokes or making fun of him having cancer. |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 03:14 PM |
#69 |
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This thread and many others right now are related to that decision by the moderators. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:23 PM |
#75 |
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And? |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 03:39 PM |
#83 |
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I believe I am responding to your point. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:48 PM |
#86 |
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Fair enough...now let me ask you something. |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 04:14 PM |
#95 |
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I didn't say "he battled cancer courageously, whatever your opinion, etc..." |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 04:32 PM |
#98 |
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I agree with your list and would defend any of those points. |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 04:47 PM |
#101 |
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Feeling relief at the death of a public figure responsible for the death of a relative is one thing. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 04:57 PM |
#104 |
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I don't know...I just can't make myself care. |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 05:21 PM |
#106 |
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Do you get mad when Freepers do it about liberals? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 05:23 PM |
#107 |
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False analogy. Freepers celebrate the death of decent people. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:30 PM |
#134 |
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LOL! A Freeper would look at some of the comments here about the deaths |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:34 AM |
#158 |
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Except we are right. If we didn't think so, we wouldn't be here. |
Evoman |
Jul-14-08 12:15 PM |
#183 |
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"Except we are right!" insist the Freepers. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 03:51 PM |
#187 |
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Your simplistic moral relatavism argument....yeah I get it. |
Evoman |
Jul-14-08 05:14 PM |
#194 |
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Damn, Evoman, I had no idea. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:27 PM |
#133 |
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You should talk to my grandparents. |
Evoman |
Jul-14-08 12:18 PM |
#184 |
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Good post, Evoman. I agree completely. nt |
Oregonian |
Jul-13-08 06:49 PM |
#117 |
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Cheers.......Well said. |
Twist_U_Up |
Jul-14-08 04:25 PM |
#192 |
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You have their whole life to bitch at them, in death you can let the issues die with them |
The Straight Story |
Jul-13-08 02:43 PM |
#53 |
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Ditto. n/t |
Contrary1 |
Jul-13-08 02:48 PM |
#58 |
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"let the issues die with them" - you can't be serious. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:31 PM |
#135 |
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I don't think it's bad to speak ill of the dead. |
Fox Mulder |
Jul-13-08 02:45 PM |
#55 |
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Hey, looks like you have a soul-buddy! |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 02:49 PM |
#59 |
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Except that Paul Wellstone helped people... |
Fox Mulder |
Jul-13-08 02:52 PM |
#60 |
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In short, you LIKED Paul Wellstone and DIDN'T like Tony Snow. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:01 PM |
#62 |
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You're not going to change my mind on this issue. |
Fox Mulder |
Jul-13-08 03:03 PM |
#63 |
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Then why are you so afraid of actually looking hard at the issue? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:05 PM |
#66 |
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So who are you to say want is and isn't ethical? |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 03:13 PM |
#68 |
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A human being who considers ethics important. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:23 PM |
#76 |
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Yes but whose ethics mine or yours? Not all people consider the same things as |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 03:58 PM |
#89 |
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There's something called "common decency." |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 04:02 PM |
#91 |
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This has nothing to do with what I taught my children, It has to do with whose |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 04:48 PM |
#103 |
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If you consider ethics so relative that you don't understand |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 05:04 PM |
#105 |
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Why does what I say about him or any one bother you or any one else, it's my opinion, I'm |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 06:21 PM |
#112 |
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So are you teaching your children to celebrate when someone you don't like dies? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 06:46 PM |
#114 |
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Why are you so hung up on what I teach my children? I'll but my ethics and morals up against most of |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 06:51 PM |
#118 |
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What you teach your children about ethics goes straight to the heart about what |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 06:53 PM |
#119 |
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My youngest is 24, I taught them to be true to themselves, where do you see that |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 07:08 PM |
#125 |
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Every person I've ever met who spews malicious and hateful garbage |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:36 AM |
#160 |
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So you are saying that for me to tell the truth is malicious and hateful while you |
madmom |
Jul-14-08 09:52 AM |
#179 |
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I'm saying that mocking the death of another human being, |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 03:53 PM |
#188 |
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Show me where did I "mock" or "joke" about his death? Obviously you talk to a lot |
madmom |
Jul-14-08 04:20 PM |
#190 |
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Hear, hear! It's unethical for the poster to demand that you accept their opinion as your own. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:36 PM |
#140 |
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So is it unethical to argue when someone's opinion includes advocating torture? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:38 AM |
#162 |
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Well, the freepers tell me that torture is good and protects us from the enemy. |
Evoman |
Jul-14-08 05:21 PM |
#196 |
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Once again, in your opinion. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:35 PM |
#139 |
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And that means...? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:37 AM |
#161 |
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IN YOUR OPINION. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:34 PM |
#138 |
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And some people's twisted sense of "decency" demands that we torture. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:39 AM |
#163 |
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More idiotic relativism. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-13-08 03:15 PM |
#70 |
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How does saying that it's as wrong to mock the suffering of a right winger |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:25 PM |
#78 |
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Did you get those goalpost wheels cheap? |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-13-08 03:57 PM |
#88 |
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In what way do you feel I "moved the goal posts?" |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:58 PM |
#90 |
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Oy. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-13-08 04:02 PM |
#92 |
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And that person went on to say |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 04:14 PM |
#94 |
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It's a provable fact that Wellstone helped people, while Snow helped people - Iraqis - be murdered. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:32 PM |
#136 |
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And every Freeper I've ever argued with has insisted that "provable facts" |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:58 AM |
#168 |
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partly because its cowardly, if you call me a slut after i die, i wont be able to retort |
lionesspriyanka |
Jul-13-08 03:16 PM |
#72 |
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Yeah, it's cowardly to call Ted Bundy a murderer. |
tabasco |
Jul-13-08 07:11 PM |
#128 |
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In other cultures, it's self defense. Nobody wants angry ghosts hanging around. |
bean fidhleir |
Jul-13-08 03:20 PM |
#73 |
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I like it when people speak their true minds... |
WillowTree |
Jul-13-08 03:38 PM |
#82 |
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There is nothing wrong with being critical of the dead, it is rejoicing in his death that is wrong |
MiniMe |
Jul-13-08 03:43 PM |
#84 |
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Yeah, all those Jews celebrating Hitler's death was just so wrong. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:38 PM |
#142 |
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You know, at one time I would have said that, given the stunning scale |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 09:02 AM |
#169 |
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He was not JUST a right wing public figure..He was a propaganda minister |
madmom |
Jul-15-08 09:35 AM |
#199 |
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Nothing wrong with saying that either |
MiniMe |
Jul-15-08 09:53 AM |
#200 |
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Ted Kennedy is a good analogy. He's the right wing's favorite whipping boy. |
alphafemale |
Jul-14-08 06:52 AM |
#157 |
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Because generally.... |
dems_rightnow |
Jul-13-08 03:50 PM |
#87 |
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because I like to think we are a little bit better than they are |
book_worm |
Jul-13-08 04:21 PM |
#96 |
| -
why do people get upset when not allowed to make fun of the dead. |
ileus |
Jul-13-08 04:30 PM |
#97 |
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Because hating goes down sooooooo smooooooooooth for some people. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 04:41 PM |
#99 |
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It's not. At all. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:01 PM |
#121 |
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for most of the same reasons we shouldn't speak ill of the living |
0rganism |
Jul-13-08 07:25 PM |
#132 |
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I think yours is the best answer. n/t |
crikkett |
Jul-14-08 09:49 AM |
#178 |
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Sentimentality and superstition |
mitchum |
Jul-13-08 07:34 PM |
#137 |
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Yeah, imagine all those sentimental superstitious types who actually |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:40 AM |
#164 |
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I'd like to know how much restraint we're to use when Cheney kicks it. |
devilgrrl |
Jul-13-08 11:34 PM |
#148 |
| -
Oh man! DU should just shut down for a month when that happens! |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Jul-14-08 01:30 AM |
#149 |
| -
True enough. Their basic philosophies live on |
treestar |
Jul-14-08 08:44 AM |
#165 |
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people are afraid of ghosts? they fear the dead will come back to haunt them? n/t |
orleans |
Jul-14-08 02:33 AM |
#151 |
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Isn't it enought that they are DEAD... do you need to drive a stake thru their heart as well? |
BigBearJohn |
Jul-14-08 02:36 AM |
#152 |
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I'm not going to let a little thing like their being dead stop me from bad mouthing anyone. |
ToeBot |
Jul-14-08 03:09 AM |
#153 |
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Wait... snow died?! |
comtec |
Jul-14-08 05:22 AM |
#155 |
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Objective criticism is fine |
LanternWaste |
Jul-14-08 09:13 AM |
#170 |
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I don't mind if |
bigwillq |
Jul-14-08 09:18 AM |
#173 |
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Because they'll haunt your ass. n/t |
crikkett |
Jul-14-08 09:48 AM |
#177 |
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Read John Donne... |
SidneyCarton |
Jul-14-08 09:53 AM |
#180 |
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When Joan Crawford died, Bette Davis said: "You're not supposed to say |
LeftinOH |
Jul-14-08 10:33 AM |
#182 |
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nothing wrong at all |
Neo |
Jul-14-08 05:56 PM |
#198 |
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