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to understand it goes back to when religion was taken more seriously than now. The idea is that when they're dead, it's time for God to judge them, and well past time for anything that we could do to them. Even without God in the picture, there's always that mean ol' Karma that can get em.
One way or the other, though, the rotten bastid is dead and we can't really do anything to him any more, so remember the crimes but let the criminal go on to his whatever.
Even more than all that, though, I suspect there's so much superstition about death that somewhere we got it into our heads that Karma will come back and nail us if we don't respect the dead. Or, even if they don't suck our blood and eat our brains, they will haunt us.
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| -Why Exactly is it Bad to Speak Ill of the Dead? |
evilkumquat |
Jul-13-08 12:03 PM |
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Because they will rise from the grave and eat your brains. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-13-08 12:04 PM |
#1 |
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... |
Benhurst |
Jul-13-08 12:08 PM |
#8 |
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OMG |
mexicoxpat |
Jul-13-08 01:47 PM |
#41 |
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LOL |
malaise |
Jul-13-08 03:15 PM |
#71 |
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They want a meal, not a snack. |
tomreedtoon |
Jul-13-08 03:47 PM |
#85 |
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Very true. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-13-08 06:21 PM |
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It's not a joke -- it's the actual reason |
starroute |
Jul-14-08 04:29 PM |
#193 |
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What's the point? They're dead and can't hear you. Best to do it |
babylonsister |
Jul-13-08 12:06 PM |
#2 |
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People like Tony Snow don't listen to us dead or alive. |
tridim |
Jul-13-08 12:11 PM |
#9 |
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What's the point? Uh, how about not letting the truth die with them? |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:03 PM |
#122 |
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Then you go ahead and speak ill of anyone you want; I think it's |
babylonsister |
Jul-14-08 06:35 AM |
#156 |
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Maybe if more people knew they'd be remembered for the damage they did, |
Dr_eldritch |
Jul-14-08 04:41 AM |
#154 |
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"Hell, we do it all the time. Smirk." - Commander AWOL |
SpiralHawk |
Jul-13-08 12:06 PM |
#3 |
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The best thing to remember about dancing on a grave |
Warpy |
Jul-13-08 12:07 PM |
#4 |
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I believe that's what's known as a "grave mistake" |
Orrex |
Jul-13-08 12:07 PM |
#7 |
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It's not really the dead who are honored, but their survivors. |
TexasObserver |
Jul-13-08 12:07 PM |
#5 |
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That's a good observation |
Orrex |
Jul-13-08 12:26 PM |
#21 |
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And you won't be alone either! |
Raksha |
Jul-14-08 04:23 PM |
#191 |
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for the same reason I'm against the death penalty |
lwfern |
Jul-13-08 12:07 PM |
#6 |
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and the main tragedy is... |
World Citizen |
Jul-13-08 12:15 PM |
#13 |
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Well-said. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:04 PM |
#123 |
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You've hit the nail on the head |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jul-13-08 12:17 PM |
#16 |
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Amen. |
A-Schwarzenegger |
Jul-13-08 12:29 PM |
#25 |
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I am Against the Death Penalty... |
evilkumquat |
Jul-13-08 01:56 PM |
#44 |
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When my youngest sister died it was not a tragedy |
malaise |
Jul-13-08 03:24 PM |
#77 |
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No need to apologize to me. |
lwfern |
Jul-13-08 04:07 PM |
#93 |
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I haven't seen anyone here feeling glee |
malaise |
Jul-13-08 05:25 PM |
#108 |
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The "glee at someone's pain"? Whose pain? |
Frank Cannon |
Jul-13-08 06:48 PM |
#116 |
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It's not about the deceased, |
qazplm |
Jul-13-08 12:12 PM |
#10 |
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Even Hitler had relatives. You want to not bring up the Holocaust to avoid hurting their feelings? |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:07 PM |
#124 |
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I have decided that about a week is enough time to remain respectfully silent. |
Liberal Veteran |
Jul-13-08 12:12 PM |
#11 |
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We do it for the living |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jul-13-08 12:15 PM |
#12 |
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Is it fair to be one-sided though? |
hfojvt |
Jul-13-08 02:02 PM |
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Fanfuckingtastic point. You absolutely NAILED it. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:10 PM |
#127 |
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Thank you. |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-13-08 08:10 PM |
#144 |
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Define Evil |
iamjoy |
Jul-13-08 12:16 PM |
#14 |
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The dead don't get a free pass, but... |
TreasonousBastard |
Jul-13-08 12:17 PM |
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It seems speaking the truth is also confused with speaking ill of the dead. |
dadsblacksheep |
Jul-13-08 12:18 PM |
#17 |
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That is exactly correct |
Orrex |
Jul-13-08 12:24 PM |
#19 |
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Because DU mods will delete your posts |
Phred42 |
Jul-13-08 12:18 PM |
#18 |
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And there it is. The OP's question has been answered. |
Robeson |
Jul-13-08 12:27 PM |
#24 |
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And have been! |
krispos42 |
Jul-13-08 04:47 PM |
#102 |
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because we the living are supposed to eat any kind of shit apparently |
pitohui |
Jul-13-08 12:25 PM |
#20 |
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I don't know, but I hated that fucker Reagan. |
graywarrior |
Jul-13-08 12:26 PM |
#22 |
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it makes no sense to give the recently dead a free pass |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 12:27 PM |
#23 |
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Death does not change what a person was. |
nancyr |
Jul-13-08 12:40 PM |
#26 |
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There are several reasons |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 12:48 PM |
#27 |
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Thank you, Jack. |
enlightenment |
Jul-13-08 01:00 PM |
#32 |
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Well said |
tsegat01 |
Jul-13-08 01:07 PM |
#34 |
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nothing counts or matters |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 01:59 PM |
#45 |
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No, it has to do with a little something called "nuance." |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 02:10 PM |
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I know all about it. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 06:10 PM |
#109 |
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How is "nuance" your "stock in trade?" |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:47 AM |
#166 |
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I'm a professional songwriter |
leftofthedial |
Jul-14-08 09:16 AM |
#172 |
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LOL! And that makes nuance your "stock in trade"....how? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 09:19 AM |
#174 |
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In every important way. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-14-08 09:38 AM |
#176 |
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I don't think you understood a word I said |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 03:26 PM |
#79 |
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Nicely done |
krispos42 |
Jul-13-08 04:43 PM |
#100 |
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Hitler? Okay. Hitler died way too late. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 06:20 PM |
#110 |
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thank you leftofthedial |
pitohui |
Jul-13-08 06:54 PM |
#120 |
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my pleasure. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 11:30 PM |
#146 |
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Great post! |
tabasco |
Jul-13-08 07:18 PM |
#129 |
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Response |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 07:37 PM |
#141 |
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what acts did snow or russert or any of these wads do |
leftofthedial |
Jul-13-08 11:32 PM |
#147 |
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"they were bad guys." |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-14-08 01:33 AM |
#150 |
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I'm "reviewing" reality. |
leftofthedial |
Jul-14-08 09:33 AM |
#175 |
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I'm going to let this drop after this |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-14-08 05:18 PM |
#195 |
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I never said I want to reduce anyone or anything to "pure evil." |
leftofthedial |
Jul-14-08 05:35 PM |
#197 |
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Standing ovation! |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-13-08 08:15 PM |
#145 |
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Using Your Argument, No One is Ever Truly "Evil" |
evilkumquat |
Jul-13-08 02:08 PM |
#49 |
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pure black and white still exists in this world from time to time |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 03:36 PM |
#80 |
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Would a Better Question Be: Is the World Better or Worse Off? |
evilkumquat |
Jul-13-08 06:47 PM |
#115 |
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That's more llike it |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 07:44 PM |
#143 |
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(shrug) Some are less ambiguous than others. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-13-08 02:53 PM |
#61 |
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True. |
Jack Rabbit |
Jul-13-08 03:38 PM |
#81 |
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Awesome post in this thread |
architect359 |
Jul-14-08 09:13 AM |
#171 |
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I think that the wrong wing has lost a lot |
hyphenate |
Jul-13-08 12:51 PM |
#28 |
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In part because one measure of a person's character is how they treat |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-13-08 12:54 PM |
#29 |
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Ugh, I think it is a defense issue. |
lonestarnot |
Jul-13-08 12:57 PM |
#30 |
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Does anyone here actually think that some rethugs widow is reading anything |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-13-08 12:59 PM |
#31 |
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Interesting post, considering your online name. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 01:39 PM |
#40 |
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I never said that, maybe you should read my post again. |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-13-08 01:51 PM |
#42 |
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I read it the first time. Do you really think referring to Snow's bereaved wife |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 01:59 PM |
#46 |
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I really don't give |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jul-13-08 02:44 PM |
#54 |
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I was asking what YOU thought. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 02:47 PM |
#56 |
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It's a statement of fact - would this alleged Jesus guy frown on stating facts? |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:24 PM |
#131 |
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Yeah, and every Freeper who defends Coulter's disgusting comments |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:35 AM |
#159 |
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Because it's hurtful |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-13-08 01:00 PM |
#33 |
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No, I laughed (heartily) at the deaths of hate-filled racists like Helms & Falwell. |
U4ikLefty |
Jul-13-08 06:39 PM |
#113 |
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You put too much faith |
MonkeyFunk |
Jul-13-08 07:23 PM |
#130 |
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Okay. Here's my answer. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 01:09 PM |
#35 |
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Feeling Hate Toward the Hateful is Human |
evilkumquat |
Jul-13-08 07:09 PM |
#126 |
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Ho-hum. The usual rationalizations. If I had a dime for every Freeper, |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:56 AM |
#167 |
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Careful... |
evilkumquat |
Jul-14-08 10:16 AM |
#181 |
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Can you deny my point? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 03:49 PM |
#186 |
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As Near as I Can Tell... |
evilkumquat |
Jul-14-08 03:55 PM |
#189 |
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As usual, Pam, you nailed it |
Avemedea |
Jul-14-08 12:32 PM |
#185 |
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If St Peter hears us talking about the sins of the dead, he might not let them thru the Pearly Gates |
librechik |
Jul-13-08 01:18 PM |
#36 |
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I think especially after a person first dies it is a basic sense of decency and fair play. |
elocs |
Jul-13-08 01:34 PM |
#37 |
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i (somewhat begrudgingly) agree that the respect for the loved one's trumps... |
islandmkl |
Jul-13-08 01:38 PM |
#38 |
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My grandmother told my aunt that after she dies she will claw her way |
alfredo |
Jul-13-08 01:39 PM |
#39 |
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What if the family/loved ones of the deceased are living off the |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 01:55 PM |
#43 |
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It's still wrong. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 02:01 PM |
#47 |
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No I taught my kids to be themselves, but I don't understand what you are saying what is still wrong |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 03:03 PM |
#64 |
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I'm saying that nobody deserves to die in pain. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:05 PM |
#65 |
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I didn't say anything about deserving to die in pain, but he does NOT deserve my respect! |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 03:10 PM |
#67 |
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My apologies. I briefly confused you with someone in another discussion. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:22 PM |
#74 |
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there are, of course, various shades of 'they' |
hfojvt |
Jul-13-08 02:10 PM |
#50 |
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"This is not meant as a snarky question, or a belligerent post....." |
Cleita |
Jul-13-08 02:12 PM |
#51 |
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It's the revisionist history I can't stand. |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 02:40 PM |
#52 |
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Do you understand WHY the moderators felt compelled to make an announcement |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 02:48 PM |
#57 |
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Knowing how fair the mods are, I suspect it was really bad jokes or making fun of him having cancer. |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 03:14 PM |
#69 |
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This thread and many others right now are related to that decision by the moderators. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:23 PM |
#75 |
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And? |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 03:39 PM |
#83 |
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I believe I am responding to your point. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:48 PM |
#86 |
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Fair enough...now let me ask you something. |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 04:14 PM |
#95 |
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I didn't say "he battled cancer courageously, whatever your opinion, etc..." |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 04:32 PM |
#98 |
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I agree with your list and would defend any of those points. |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 04:47 PM |
#101 |
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Feeling relief at the death of a public figure responsible for the death of a relative is one thing. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 04:57 PM |
#104 |
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I don't know...I just can't make myself care. |
Evoman |
Jul-13-08 05:21 PM |
#106 |
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Do you get mad when Freepers do it about liberals? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 05:23 PM |
#107 |
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False analogy. Freepers celebrate the death of decent people. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:30 PM |
#134 |
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LOL! A Freeper would look at some of the comments here about the deaths |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:34 AM |
#158 |
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Except we are right. If we didn't think so, we wouldn't be here. |
Evoman |
Jul-14-08 12:15 PM |
#183 |
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"Except we are right!" insist the Freepers. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 03:51 PM |
#187 |
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Your simplistic moral relatavism argument....yeah I get it. |
Evoman |
Jul-14-08 05:14 PM |
#194 |
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Damn, Evoman, I had no idea. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:27 PM |
#133 |
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You should talk to my grandparents. |
Evoman |
Jul-14-08 12:18 PM |
#184 |
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Good post, Evoman. I agree completely. nt |
Oregonian |
Jul-13-08 06:49 PM |
#117 |
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Cheers.......Well said. |
Twist_U_Up |
Jul-14-08 04:25 PM |
#192 |
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You have their whole life to bitch at them, in death you can let the issues die with them |
The Straight Story |
Jul-13-08 02:43 PM |
#53 |
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Ditto. n/t |
Contrary1 |
Jul-13-08 02:48 PM |
#58 |
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"let the issues die with them" - you can't be serious. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:31 PM |
#135 |
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I don't think it's bad to speak ill of the dead. |
Fox Mulder |
Jul-13-08 02:45 PM |
#55 |
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Hey, looks like you have a soul-buddy! |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 02:49 PM |
#59 |
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Except that Paul Wellstone helped people... |
Fox Mulder |
Jul-13-08 02:52 PM |
#60 |
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In short, you LIKED Paul Wellstone and DIDN'T like Tony Snow. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:01 PM |
#62 |
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You're not going to change my mind on this issue. |
Fox Mulder |
Jul-13-08 03:03 PM |
#63 |
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Then why are you so afraid of actually looking hard at the issue? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:05 PM |
#66 |
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So who are you to say want is and isn't ethical? |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 03:13 PM |
#68 |
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A human being who considers ethics important. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:23 PM |
#76 |
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Yes but whose ethics mine or yours? Not all people consider the same things as |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 03:58 PM |
#89 |
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There's something called "common decency." |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 04:02 PM |
#91 |
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This has nothing to do with what I taught my children, It has to do with whose |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 04:48 PM |
#103 |
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If you consider ethics so relative that you don't understand |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 05:04 PM |
#105 |
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Why does what I say about him or any one bother you or any one else, it's my opinion, I'm |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 06:21 PM |
#112 |
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So are you teaching your children to celebrate when someone you don't like dies? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 06:46 PM |
#114 |
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Why are you so hung up on what I teach my children? I'll but my ethics and morals up against most of |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 06:51 PM |
#118 |
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What you teach your children about ethics goes straight to the heart about what |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 06:53 PM |
#119 |
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My youngest is 24, I taught them to be true to themselves, where do you see that |
madmom |
Jul-13-08 07:08 PM |
#125 |
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Every person I've ever met who spews malicious and hateful garbage |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:36 AM |
#160 |
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So you are saying that for me to tell the truth is malicious and hateful while you |
madmom |
Jul-14-08 09:52 AM |
#179 |
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I'm saying that mocking the death of another human being, |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 03:53 PM |
#188 |
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Show me where did I "mock" or "joke" about his death? Obviously you talk to a lot |
madmom |
Jul-14-08 04:20 PM |
#190 |
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Hear, hear! It's unethical for the poster to demand that you accept their opinion as your own. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:36 PM |
#140 |
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So is it unethical to argue when someone's opinion includes advocating torture? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:38 AM |
#162 |
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Well, the freepers tell me that torture is good and protects us from the enemy. |
Evoman |
Jul-14-08 05:21 PM |
#196 |
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Once again, in your opinion. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:35 PM |
#139 |
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And that means...? |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:37 AM |
#161 |
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IN YOUR OPINION. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:34 PM |
#138 |
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And some people's twisted sense of "decency" demands that we torture. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:39 AM |
#163 |
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More idiotic relativism. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-13-08 03:15 PM |
#70 |
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How does saying that it's as wrong to mock the suffering of a right winger |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:25 PM |
#78 |
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Did you get those goalpost wheels cheap? |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-13-08 03:57 PM |
#88 |
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In what way do you feel I "moved the goal posts?" |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 03:58 PM |
#90 |
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Oy. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-13-08 04:02 PM |
#92 |
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And that person went on to say |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 04:14 PM |
#94 |
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It's a provable fact that Wellstone helped people, while Snow helped people - Iraqis - be murdered. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:32 PM |
#136 |
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And every Freeper I've ever argued with has insisted that "provable facts" |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:58 AM |
#168 |
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partly because its cowardly, if you call me a slut after i die, i wont be able to retort |
lionesspriyanka |
Jul-13-08 03:16 PM |
#72 |
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Yeah, it's cowardly to call Ted Bundy a murderer. |
tabasco |
Jul-13-08 07:11 PM |
#128 |
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In other cultures, it's self defense. Nobody wants angry ghosts hanging around. |
bean fidhleir |
Jul-13-08 03:20 PM |
#73 |
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I like it when people speak their true minds... |
WillowTree |
Jul-13-08 03:38 PM |
#82 |
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There is nothing wrong with being critical of the dead, it is rejoicing in his death that is wrong |
MiniMe |
Jul-13-08 03:43 PM |
#84 |
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Yeah, all those Jews celebrating Hitler's death was just so wrong. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:38 PM |
#142 |
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You know, at one time I would have said that, given the stunning scale |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 09:02 AM |
#169 |
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He was not JUST a right wing public figure..He was a propaganda minister |
madmom |
Jul-15-08 09:35 AM |
#199 |
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Nothing wrong with saying that either |
MiniMe |
Jul-15-08 09:53 AM |
#200 |
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Ted Kennedy is a good analogy. He's the right wing's favorite whipping boy. |
alphafemale |
Jul-14-08 06:52 AM |
#157 |
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Because generally.... |
dems_rightnow |
Jul-13-08 03:50 PM |
#87 |
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because I like to think we are a little bit better than they are |
book_worm |
Jul-13-08 04:21 PM |
#96 |
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why do people get upset when not allowed to make fun of the dead. |
ileus |
Jul-13-08 04:30 PM |
#97 |
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Because hating goes down sooooooo smooooooooooth for some people. |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-13-08 04:41 PM |
#99 |
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It's not. At all. |
Zhade |
Jul-13-08 07:01 PM |
#121 |
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for most of the same reasons we shouldn't speak ill of the living |
0rganism |
Jul-13-08 07:25 PM |
#132 |
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I think yours is the best answer. n/t |
crikkett |
Jul-14-08 09:49 AM |
#178 |
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Sentimentality and superstition |
mitchum |
Jul-13-08 07:34 PM |
#137 |
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Yeah, imagine all those sentimental superstitious types who actually |
Pamela Troy |
Jul-14-08 08:40 AM |
#164 |
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I'd like to know how much restraint we're to use when Cheney kicks it. |
devilgrrl |
Jul-13-08 11:34 PM |
#148 |
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Oh man! DU should just shut down for a month when that happens! |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Jul-14-08 01:30 AM |
#149 |
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True enough. Their basic philosophies live on |
treestar |
Jul-14-08 08:44 AM |
#165 |
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people are afraid of ghosts? they fear the dead will come back to haunt them? n/t |
orleans |
Jul-14-08 02:33 AM |
#151 |
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Isn't it enought that they are DEAD... do you need to drive a stake thru their heart as well? |
BigBearJohn |
Jul-14-08 02:36 AM |
#152 |
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I'm not going to let a little thing like their being dead stop me from bad mouthing anyone. |
ToeBot |
Jul-14-08 03:09 AM |
#153 |
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Wait... snow died?! |
comtec |
Jul-14-08 05:22 AM |
#155 |
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Objective criticism is fine |
LanternWaste |
Jul-14-08 09:13 AM |
#170 |
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I don't mind if |
bigwillq |
Jul-14-08 09:18 AM |
#173 |
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Because they'll haunt your ass. n/t |
crikkett |
Jul-14-08 09:48 AM |
#177 |
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Read John Donne... |
SidneyCarton |
Jul-14-08 09:53 AM |
#180 |
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When Joan Crawford died, Bette Davis said: "You're not supposed to say |
LeftinOH |
Jul-14-08 10:33 AM |
#182 |
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nothing wrong at all |
Neo |
Jul-14-08 05:56 PM |
#198 |
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