| 200. I'm new, so I'd like to know. What's GD? |
| -Just about done posting here |
ThomWV |
Jul-11-08 07:10 AM |
#0 |
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I hope not. visit the smaller forums Thom |
AZDemDist6 |
Jul-11-08 07:13 AM |
#1 |
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I suggest that you stick around, |
Angela Shelley |
Jul-11-08 07:15 AM |
#2 |
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Don't leave, Thom. |
Maddy McCall |
Jul-11-08 07:15 AM |
#3 |
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I am very disappointed in Obama's vote on FISA. I wish there was something I could |
rhett o rick |
Jul-11-08 06:27 PM |
#92 |
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IMHO, this quote explains what is happening.. And will continue to happen. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-11-08 07:15 AM |
#4 |
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I would even go as far to say that: Charisma attracts the corruptible -- |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Jul-11-08 07:18 AM |
#6 |
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To us, Bushie does not seem at all charismatic.. Anticharismatic actually. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-11-08 07:29 AM |
#12 |
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agreed - |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Jul-11-08 07:36 AM |
#20 |
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What TA said... I don't drink beer much, but you can bet I'd rather drink with Obama... |
Radio_Lady |
Jul-11-08 11:17 PM |
#137 |
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Don't forget what kkkarl rove had to say about dubya the first time they met: |
calimary |
Jul-12-08 11:36 AM |
#190 |
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This entire boondoggle has been reminding me of Dune. |
Chovexani |
Jul-11-08 07:50 PM |
#98 |
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Ninety percent of everything is crud.. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-12-08 12:15 AM |
#150 |
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He said as much in God Emperor, IIRC...n/t |
Mythsaje |
Jul-12-08 01:34 AM |
#163 |
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Hell yeah. Frank Herbert was a genius. |
DUlover2909 |
Jul-12-08 03:07 AM |
#170 |
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I think that's backwards... |
Mythsaje |
Jul-12-08 03:53 PM |
#194 |
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Yeah "Power attracts the corruptable." Great quote. |
DUlover2909 |
Jul-12-08 03:02 AM |
#169 |
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Seems the GD-P infection is spreading |
ixion |
Jul-11-08 07:18 AM |
#5 |
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The seeds of this were present in the beginning |
MNBrewer |
Jul-11-08 08:03 PM |
#101 |
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there is much truth in your statement. the only |
bbgrunt |
Jul-12-08 12:54 AM |
#159 |
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yeah the site would be so much better |
hfojvt |
Jul-12-08 03:22 AM |
#171 |
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This is encouraging - I think Obama's chances of winning are very good |
HughMoran |
Jul-11-08 07:23 AM |
#7 |
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When I walk down the street |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-11-08 07:24 AM |
#8 |
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Great analogy, Cronus. Thanks so much for that. |
Radio_Lady |
Jul-11-08 11:28 PM |
#141 |
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Stay awhile. |
CJCRANE |
Jul-11-08 07:24 AM |
#9 |
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I think we are seeing residual drama from the Primaries |
liberal N proud |
Jul-11-08 07:25 AM |
#10 |
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Like Thom and Others, It's Beyond That |
Crisco |
Jul-11-08 11:12 AM |
#55 |
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Wow...good to know! |
SpookyCat |
Jul-11-08 08:48 PM |
#106 |
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Yeah, see, it's that "sooooo bite me" part that is unneccesary... |
adsosletter |
Jul-11-08 09:41 PM |
#117 |
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I tried to make the response as irreverent as possible, |
SpookyCat |
Jul-11-08 10:13 PM |
#122 |
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I wish you a speedy recovery...and welcome to DU! |
adsosletter |
Jul-11-08 11:03 PM |
#133 |
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Thank you! I appreciate that! |
SpookyCat |
Jul-11-08 11:23 PM |
#140 |
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Sorry to hear you've been sick, SpookyCat. We've had family problems for a couple of months. |
Radio_Lady |
Jul-11-08 11:31 PM |
#143 |
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Thank you so much Radio Lady. |
SpookyCat |
Jul-11-08 11:49 PM |
#146 |
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As I Was Saying ... |
Crisco |
Jul-12-08 09:21 AM |
#184 |
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Many posts come across as accusing and right leaning as the DLC. I have |
higher class |
Jul-11-08 10:23 PM |
#123 |
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Maybe you just need a long internet break. |
CrispyQGirl |
Jul-11-08 07:26 AM |
#11 |
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whether you post or not is not the issue but yes the condition of the party and country is bad |
natrat |
Jul-11-08 07:29 AM |
#13 |
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My point was not the condition of the party or country - it is the condition of this website. |
ThomWV |
Jul-11-08 07:32 AM |
#16 |
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All the more reason that you need to stay. |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Jul-11-08 07:38 AM |
#23 |
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I've been feeling that way for over a year now. |
Dr.Phool |
Jul-11-08 10:49 PM |
#129 |
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So, where would you go? |
panzerfaust |
Jul-11-08 07:30 AM |
#14 |
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Must admit, I'm also bummed out and posting less. But, I won't give this place up. |
leveymg |
Jul-11-08 07:32 AM |
#15 |
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I also am bummed and am posted a helluva lot less, and I'm avoiding |
Nay |
Jul-11-08 09:23 PM |
#110 |
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You speak for me, Nay, |
8_year_nightmare |
Jul-11-08 10:42 PM |
#126 |
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Nay, you are not alone. I only lirk and comment occasionally, |
anitar1 |
Jul-11-08 10:57 PM |
#131 |
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There are plenty of us here that go beyond party labels |
mmonk |
Jul-11-08 07:34 AM |
#17 |
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I hope you stay, whether posting or not. |
JohnnyLib2 |
Jul-11-08 07:35 AM |
#18 |
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Don't go. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jul-11-08 07:35 AM |
#19 |
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dude -- don't go -- the more of us |
xchrom |
Jul-11-08 07:37 AM |
#21 |
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The Long Road Back |
KharmaTrain |
Jul-11-08 07:37 AM |
#22 |
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Anyone with FISA concerns is a disloyal, idiotic "purist" who shouldn't post in GD-P |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Jul-11-08 07:39 AM |
#24 |
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But if you disagree with the mass thinking, that is that FISA is not |
merh |
Jul-11-08 08:43 AM |
#39 |
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Then learn from those who use facts. Try www.glenngreenwald@salon.com for anything on FISA & Obama |
bjobotts |
Jul-12-08 12:16 AM |
#151 |
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I don't think he has supported his opinions with actual references |
merh |
Jul-12-08 01:16 PM |
#191 |
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I wish I could k/r your post. |
emilyg |
Jul-11-08 08:20 PM |
#103 |
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FISA concerns are one thing |
Jake3463 |
Jul-11-08 09:24 PM |
#111 |
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Perfect Post! |
Steely_Dan |
Jul-11-08 10:54 PM |
#130 |
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I understand totally, and feel the same for the most part |
RainDog |
Jul-11-08 07:39 AM |
#25 |
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You said it better than I did. |
ThomWV |
Jul-11-08 07:47 AM |
#27 |
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I imagine if the criticism took on a more constructive tone... |
HughMoran |
Jul-11-08 07:51 AM |
#28 |
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So you don't believe that is some point that can not be passed? No deal-breaker? |
ThomWV |
Jul-11-08 07:53 AM |
#29 |
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If you can't support our candiate due to that 1 issue, then you have issues here |
HughMoran |
Jul-11-08 07:58 AM |
#30 |
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Trashing the constitution |
Andrea |
Jul-11-08 01:11 PM |
#63 |
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You can support Obama and still criticize him on his horrible FISA support. |
bjobotts |
Jul-12-08 12:17 AM |
#152 |
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The 2 thoughts can exist side by side.Vote Obama as better than McCain |
bjobotts |
Jul-12-08 12:18 AM |
#153 |
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Buat tell Obama he's wrong on FISA and it matters.Same if he decides torture is ok. |
bjobotts |
Jul-12-08 12:19 AM |
#154 |
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As someone who hasn't been posting anything lately |
RainDog |
Jul-11-08 08:08 AM |
#32 |
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"you are the ones" |
HughMoran |
Jul-11-08 08:17 AM |
#33 |
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I do speak for myself |
RainDog |
Jul-11-08 08:33 AM |
#36 |
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I do care what you say |
HughMoran |
Jul-11-08 09:46 AM |
#44 |
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the puritan/one issue label |
G_j |
Jul-11-08 04:33 PM |
#80 |
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Hear, hear! |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Jul-11-08 06:38 PM |
#96 |
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great post |
leftchick |
Jul-11-08 07:59 AM |
#31 |
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I know what you and Thom mean, have gotten shit, have considered leaving also |
uppityperson |
Jul-11-08 11:26 AM |
#57 |
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I'm sorry for what you are going through. |
emmadoggy |
Jul-11-08 11:51 AM |
#58 |
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My take on this |
turtlensue |
Jul-11-08 06:13 PM |
#89 |
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I like your post, turtlesnue. I suppose what scares me is |
Olney Blue |
Jul-11-08 07:55 PM |
# |
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I suspect this is exactly what underlies the unease with many of us... |
adsosletter |
Jul-11-08 09:38 PM |
#116 |
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Progressives are NOT a minority in this country-we just don't have the |
Lorien |
Jul-11-08 11:17 PM |
#138 |
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Well Stated... |
Steely_Dan |
Jul-11-08 11:00 PM |
#132 |
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Thom - I hope you reconsider |
DrDan |
Jul-11-08 07:46 AM |
#26 |
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I rarely ask posters not to leave but |
malaise |
Jul-11-08 08:21 AM |
#34 |
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I think even many of the people disagreeing with you have at least |
Vickers |
Jul-11-08 08:21 AM |
#35 |
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Stick around old Friend |
symbolman |
Jul-11-08 08:36 AM |
#37 |
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say it isn't so, symbolman |
grasswire |
Jul-12-08 12:53 AM |
#158 |
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Its So :) |
symbolman |
Jul-12-08 10:32 AM |
#186 |
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Oh bullshit. |
lonestarnot |
Jul-11-08 08:38 AM |
#38 |
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A lot of people have been saying that Obama is dead wrong on this, I just dont see what you speak of |
no limit |
Jul-11-08 08:46 AM |
#40 |
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I won't presume to tell you what to do |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jul-11-08 08:57 AM |
#41 |
| -
DemocraticAboveground? |
wtmusic |
Jul-11-08 09:09 AM |
#42 |
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I think he was wrong. |
OnionPatch |
Jul-11-08 09:11 AM |
#43 |
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The Democratic kingmakers suffer from the curse of "conventional wisdom". |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jul-11-08 09:56 AM |
#45 |
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I hardly ever comment on these threads but don't leave |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jul-11-08 10:01 AM |
#46 |
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Who decides right and wrong on every issue and why is that person qualified? |
dmordue |
Jul-11-08 10:03 AM |
#47 |
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Why do you agree with the FISA vote? |
RainDog |
Jul-11-08 10:33 AM |
#49 |
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I volunteer to answer |
Political Heretic |
Jul-12-08 07:55 AM |
#179 |
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thank you. that is a GREAT answer. |
RainDog |
Jul-12-08 11:07 AM |
#187 |
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Disagreement is one thing. The way that it is expressed is another. |
tnlefty |
Jul-11-08 10:51 AM |
#53 |
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Who decides right and wrong? A person called Ethics. |
bean fidhleir |
Jul-11-08 11:52 AM |
#60 |
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Not on every issue. But some issues are wrong to support like destroying the constitution |
bjobotts |
Jul-12-08 12:21 AM |
#155 |
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** You deserve an answer to this question and I'll try to give it to you |
ThomWV |
Jul-12-08 06:54 AM |
#176 |
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some of us have not been shy about pointing out when we feel Obama is wrong about something . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Jul-11-08 10:19 AM |
#48 |
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You can't leave until we have a chance to revisit this thread... |
SidDithers |
Jul-11-08 10:36 AM |
#50 |
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I know exactly how you feel, but notice the lack of a donor star, |
greyhound1966 |
Jul-11-08 10:36 AM |
#51 |
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A huge number of true blues have already left DU... |
Dover |
Jul-11-08 10:46 AM |
#52 |
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This is nothing compared to what GDP was durring the primary. |
L0oniX |
Jul-11-08 10:52 AM |
#54 |
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I guess you see what you want to see. |
skooooo |
Jul-11-08 11:24 AM |
#56 |
| -
Isn't it though? |
Laurab |
Jul-11-08 02:35 PM |
#66 |
| -
The point is though, that many of us don't think Obama had to vote for FISA |
Fumesucker |
Jul-11-08 03:00 PM |
#70 |
| -
I think if everything goes on fairly Obama can't lose. |
arundhatiroyfan |
Jul-11-08 05:11 PM |
#82 |
| -
What is this reality? The FISA vote has alienated some of his strongest supporters. |
John Q. Citizen |
Jul-11-08 05:48 PM |
#86 |
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well said, John Q. |
bbgrunt |
Jul-12-08 01:27 AM |
#161 |
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Yes...There is a lot at stake... |
Steely_Dan |
Jul-11-08 11:09 PM |
#134 |
| -
Years ahead of you. |
Beam Me Up |
Jul-11-08 11:51 AM |
#59 |
| -
very well said |
leftchick |
Jul-11-08 12:41 PM |
#62 |
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Right there with you... |
Psyop Samurai |
Jul-11-08 03:31 PM |
#73 |
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Write More! |
Steely_Dan |
Jul-11-08 11:11 PM |
#135 |
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k and r for your post, beam! |
bbgrunt |
Jul-12-08 01:29 AM |
#162 |
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Join Progressive Democrats of America. You will find like-minded thinkers. |
robinlynne |
Jul-11-08 12:31 PM |
#61 |
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Obama was wrong on FISA. |
KamaAina |
Jul-11-08 01:14 PM |
#64 |
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Don't go, we need help yanking out the weeds (n/t) |
harun |
Jul-11-08 01:43 PM |
#65 |
| -
I hear you. |
LWolf |
Jul-11-08 02:48 PM |
#67 |
| -
I would miss you, but completely understand your feelings. |
BeHereNow |
Jul-11-08 02:54 PM |
#68 |
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Know exactly what you are saying perfectly well |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-11-08 02:56 PM |
#69 |
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people that disagree with you aren't fools |
Enrique |
Jul-11-08 03:08 PM |
#71 |
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I did not say they were fools for disagreeing with me - I simply said they were fools - and they are |
ThomWV |
Jul-11-08 03:25 PM |
#72 |
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they might be right and you might be wrong |
Enrique |
Jul-12-08 05:12 AM |
#173 |
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What a childish thing to say |
ThomWV |
Jul-12-08 06:07 AM |
#174 |
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I consider myself well-informed and yet I am often wrong |
Enrique |
Jul-12-08 06:12 AM |
#175 |
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You are not alone. n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-11-08 03:35 PM |
#74 |
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Post whenever it's right for you, Thom. |
Psyop Samurai |
Jul-11-08 03:49 PM |
#75 |
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I'm with you, Thom. |
Blue_In_AK |
Jul-11-08 04:04 PM |
#76 |
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Groupthink, ain't it wonderful? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-11-08 04:07 PM |
#77 |
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It's very troubling on a site that has UNDERGROUND |
Blue_In_AK |
Jul-11-08 04:08 PM |
#78 |
| -
Nope in fact this place is becoming free republic lite |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-11-08 04:10 PM |
#79 |
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Thom I always tried to read your threads when I saw your handle attached to them. |
lpbk2713 |
Jul-11-08 04:44 PM |
#81 |
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Leave if you must |
ByTheRiver |
Jul-11-08 05:28 PM |
#83 |
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I feel you man....but giving up is not an option |
slutticus |
Jul-11-08 05:32 PM |
#84 |
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Posting at DU has nothing to do with giving up or not, I think. |
tom_paine |
Jul-11-08 05:55 PM |
#88 |
| -
that needed to be said |
G_j |
Jul-11-08 06:33 PM |
#95 |
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Do what I do. Mainly live in the lounge |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-11-08 05:35 PM |
#85 |
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Well said and true, Thom. |
tom_paine |
Jul-11-08 05:49 PM |
#87 |
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You're right, Thom |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Jul-11-08 06:26 PM |
#90 |
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i only drop in here and there |
noiretblu |
Jul-11-08 06:27 PM |
#91 |
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We are Democrats what would you expect. We always fight among ourselves. |
rhett o rick |
Jul-11-08 06:31 PM |
#93 |
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look, it's simply about numbers. As the readership expands the views are naturally |
burythehatchet |
Jul-11-08 06:33 PM |
#94 |
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I understand, ThomWV! |
themartyred |
Jul-11-08 07:47 PM |
#97 |
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Bye. And, you and Feingold are wrong. |
Dawgs |
Jul-11-08 07:55 PM |
#99 |
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Would be easier to believe, if the people defending FISA weren't George Bush and Rush Limbaugh. |
LVjinx |
Jul-12-08 01:45 AM |
#164 |
| -
Damn, I'm new to the site (been reading for years, just started posting) |
20score |
Jul-11-08 07:57 PM |
#100 |
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I've been a DU'er since 2001... |
deutsey |
Jul-11-08 08:07 PM |
#102 |
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One of Us, One of Us, One of us!! |
puerco-bellies |
Jul-11-08 08:32 PM |
#104 |
| -
I feel ya. Been here since 2001 and barely recognize the place anymore. |
QC |
Jul-11-08 08:34 PM |
#105 |
| -
Too many conservatives |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Jul-11-08 08:59 PM |
#107 |
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I'm none of those things |
Jake3463 |
Jul-11-08 09:25 PM |
#112 |
| -
Monarchists, Phalangists, White Guard officers, Secessionists, |
Hardrada |
Jul-12-08 01:53 AM |
#165 |
| -
Nope. Can't go. Sit back down and take a DEEEEEP breath. |
Raster |
Jul-11-08 09:03 PM |
#108 |
| -
ok.... |
Jake3463 |
Jul-11-08 09:21 PM |
#109 |
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Neh-neh: Buh-BYE!1 n/t |
UTUSN |
Jul-11-08 09:29 PM |
#113 |
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I hear you, Thom. |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-11-08 09:33 PM |
#114 |
| -
Remember that some of the trolling comes from folks who get paid to do so. |
BlueIris |
Jul-11-08 09:35 PM |
#115 |
| -
du |
whathappened |
Jul-11-08 09:46 PM |
#118 |
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Stay informed. Just read the LBN and avoid the replies. nt |
blackops |
Jul-11-08 09:51 PM |
#119 |
| -
bunch of whiners |
hay rick |
Jul-11-08 10:08 PM |
#120 |
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many of the balancing voices have been run off. |
nashville_brook |
Jul-11-08 10:10 PM |
#121 |
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if clinton was the nominee and she had voten for fisa, i am sure the outrage |
lionesspriyanka |
Jul-11-08 10:27 PM |
#124 |
| -
Being a new guy on the DU site but a long-time liberal Democrat, I feel lucky to have |
bertman |
Jul-11-08 10:29 PM |
#125 |
| -
ebb&flow |
bonito |
Jul-11-08 10:43 PM |
#127 |
| -
Thom...I feel the same way |
Steely_Dan |
Jul-11-08 10:44 PM |
#128 |
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That's it! You hit the nail on the head with this... |
jannyk |
Jul-12-08 02:01 AM |
#166 |
| -
Obama's vote sucked ass. |
krkaufman |
Jul-11-08 11:14 PM |
#136 |
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I know, what a shame that we can't constantly attack Obama |
cbc5g |
Jul-11-08 11:23 PM |
#139 |
| -
Holy Molly the progressives getting scorned on this site, that's a twist |
desktop |
Jul-11-08 11:30 PM |
#142 |
| -
I'm a progressive who liked Hillary even less than I liked Obama |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-13-08 12:13 PM |
#205 |
| -
Well said Thom. |
TriMetFan |
Jul-11-08 11:37 PM |
#144 |
| -
The wind is out of my sail too. |
sellitman |
Jul-11-08 11:42 PM |
#145 |
| -
I agree with you. The site has become somewhat watered down. |
go west young man |
Jul-12-08 12:07 AM |
#147 |
| -
Changing DU |
spag68 |
Jul-12-08 12:10 AM |
#148 |
| -
That's an apt comment |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-13-08 12:15 PM |
#206 |
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Regarless of what you might think, your opinion is in the majority among dems. |
bjobotts |
Jul-12-08 12:13 AM |
#149 |
| -
This thread has quite a few of my favorite posters on it sounding discouraged. |
glitch |
Jul-12-08 12:24 AM |
#156 |
| -
I understand you. |
realpolitik |
Jul-12-08 12:37 AM |
#157 |
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I am not sure about the Dems-but I agree about certain new members of the Democratic party |
nam78_two |
Jul-12-08 01:05 AM |
#160 |
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Excellent Post |
Steely_Dan |
Jul-12-08 02:38 AM |
#168 |
| -
It's about poor judgment |
JustAnotherGen |
Jul-12-08 03:33 PM |
#192 |
| -
Just about starting posting here. And it is quite a lot |
azul |
Jul-12-08 02:02 AM |
#167 |
| -
I think more people are on your side than are not |
Horse with no Name |
Jul-12-08 04:11 AM |
#172 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-12-08 07:29 AM |
#177 |
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I don't consider your view progressive. |
Political Heretic |
Jul-12-08 07:50 AM |
#178 |
| -
This post would be of more value |
baby_mouse |
Jul-12-08 08:45 AM |
#181 |
| -
No? |
baby_mouse |
Jul-12-08 09:58 PM |
#197 |
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I did my first original post last night and wow, I understand your sentiment. |
20score |
Jul-12-08 08:39 AM |
#180 |
| -
You're not kidding. |
baby_mouse |
Jul-12-08 08:47 AM |
#182 |
| -
Please don't go |
JustAnotherGen |
Jul-12-08 09:19 AM |
#183 |
| -
don't get run off. |
ulysses |
Jul-12-08 09:23 AM |
#185 |
| -
DU has a lot to offer |
mix |
Jul-12-08 11:24 AM |
#188 |
| -
Your one of my favs... so please stay the course |
mdmc |
Jul-12-08 11:28 AM |
#189 |
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"Stay the course".... |
baby_mouse |
Jul-12-08 09:57 PM |
#196 |
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I'm here less and less, but I'm not giving up yet! |
NC_Nurse |
Jul-12-08 03:40 PM |
#193 |
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Screw it! I'm out too. After my first original post, just too many |
20score |
Jul-12-08 09:53 PM |
#195 |
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Nah, just give up on GD and GD: Pee |
Redneck Socialist |
Jul-12-08 09:58 PM |
#198 |
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I'm new, so I'd like to know. What's GD? |
20score |
Jul-12-08 10:09 PM |
#200 |
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General Discussion |
Redneck Socialist |
Jul-12-08 10:41 PM |
#201 |
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Almost everyone was criticizing his FISA vote |
TheFarseer |
Jul-12-08 09:59 PM |
#199 |
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Another poster who can't stand that people disagree with him |
robcon |
Jul-12-08 11:06 PM |
#202 |
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It's good that he explains his position. |
baby_mouse |
Jul-12-08 11:12 PM |
#203 |
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How much can people take |
Cherchez la Femme |
Jul-13-08 10:49 AM |
#204 |
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A point on the Feingold statement in the OP |
SOS |
Jul-13-08 12:47 PM |
#207 |
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If we don't have truth, we have nothing. |
TheGoldenRule |
Jul-14-08 05:15 PM |
#208 |
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