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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #56
66. Isn't it though?
I spend less time here now, but for the opposite reason the OP states. The negativity is really depressing.

Some people seem to have an inability to look at the big picture - the fact that Obama has to do some things to win the election - the reality of politics.

Some people never wanted him in the first place, and seem to have stayed to bash the nominee.

This is the most important election in my lifetime and I don't get it. The choice is clear. 4 more years of Bush politics, or a chance for a new start with Obama. When I look at the past 7& years, to me it's a no-brainer, as it should be to any Democrat. I don't like the Fisa vote, I don't particularly like pandering, but I understand politics a little, and the most important thing is for Obama to get elected. After that happens, I'll breathe more freely, and criticize if necessary.

Have people forgotten what's at stake in this election?

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  -Just about done posting here ThomWV  Jul-11-08 07:10 AM   #0 
  - I hope not. visit the smaller forums Thom  AZDemDist6   Jul-11-08 07:13 AM   #1 
  - I suggest that you stick around,  Angela Shelley   Jul-11-08 07:15 AM   #2 
  - Don't leave, Thom.  Maddy McCall   Jul-11-08 07:15 AM   #3 
  - I am very disappointed in Obama's vote on FISA. I wish there was something I could  rhett o rick   Jul-11-08 06:27 PM   #92 
  - IMHO, this quote explains what is happening.. And will continue to happen.  Fumesucker   Jul-11-08 07:15 AM   #4 
  - I would even go as far to say that: Charisma attracts the corruptible --  Tuesday Afternoon   Jul-11-08 07:18 AM   #6 
  - To us, Bushie does not seem at all charismatic.. Anticharismatic actually.  Fumesucker   Jul-11-08 07:29 AM   #12 
     - agreed -  Tuesday Afternoon   Jul-11-08 07:36 AM   #20 
     - What TA said... I don't drink beer much, but you can bet I'd rather drink with Obama...  Radio_Lady   Jul-11-08 11:17 PM   #137 
     - Don't forget what kkkarl rove had to say about dubya the first time they met:  calimary   Jul-12-08 11:36 AM   #190 
  - This entire boondoggle has been reminding me of Dune.  Chovexani   Jul-11-08 07:50 PM   #98 
  - Ninety percent of everything is crud..  Fumesucker   Jul-12-08 12:15 AM   #150 
  - He said as much in God Emperor, IIRC...n/t  Mythsaje   Jul-12-08 01:34 AM   #163 
  - Hell yeah. Frank Herbert was a genius.  DUlover2909   Jul-12-08 03:07 AM   #170 
     - I think that's backwards...  Mythsaje   Jul-12-08 03:53 PM   #194 
  - Yeah "Power attracts the corruptable." Great quote.  DUlover2909   Jul-12-08 03:02 AM   #169 
  - Seems the GD-P infection is spreading  ixion   Jul-11-08 07:18 AM   #5 
  - The seeds of this were present in the beginning  MNBrewer   Jul-11-08 08:03 PM   #101 
     - there is much truth in your statement. the only  bbgrunt   Jul-12-08 12:54 AM   #159 
     - yeah the site would be so much better  hfojvt   Jul-12-08 03:22 AM   #171 
  - This is encouraging - I think Obama's chances of winning are very good  HughMoran   Jul-11-08 07:23 AM   #7 
  - When I walk down the street  Cronus Protagonist   Jul-11-08 07:24 AM   #8 
  - Great analogy, Cronus. Thanks so much for that.  Radio_Lady   Jul-11-08 11:28 PM   #141 
  - Stay awhile.  CJCRANE   Jul-11-08 07:24 AM   #9 
  - I think we are seeing residual drama from the Primaries  liberal N proud   Jul-11-08 07:25 AM   #10 
  - Like Thom and Others, It's Beyond That  Crisco   Jul-11-08 11:12 AM   #55 
     - Wow...good to know!  SpookyCat   Jul-11-08 08:48 PM   #106 
     - Yeah, see, it's that "sooooo bite me" part that is unneccesary...  adsosletter   Jul-11-08 09:41 PM   #117 
     - I tried to make the response as irreverent as possible,  SpookyCat   Jul-11-08 10:13 PM   #122 
        - I wish you a speedy recovery...and welcome to DU!  adsosletter   Jul-11-08 11:03 PM   #133 
        - Thank you! I appreciate that!  SpookyCat   Jul-11-08 11:23 PM   #140 
        - Sorry to hear you've been sick, SpookyCat. We've had family problems for a couple of months.  Radio_Lady   Jul-11-08 11:31 PM   #143 
           - Thank you so much Radio Lady.  SpookyCat   Jul-11-08 11:49 PM   #146 
     - As I Was Saying ...  Crisco   Jul-12-08 09:21 AM   #184 
     - Many posts come across as accusing and right leaning as the DLC. I have  higher class   Jul-11-08 10:23 PM   #123 
  - Maybe you just need a long internet break.  CrispyQGirl   Jul-11-08 07:26 AM   #11 
  - whether you post or not is not the issue but yes the condition of the party and country is bad  natrat   Jul-11-08 07:29 AM   #13 
  - My point was not the condition of the party or country - it is the condition of this website.  ThomWV   Jul-11-08 07:32 AM   #16 
     - All the more reason that you need to stay.  Tuesday Afternoon   Jul-11-08 07:38 AM   #23 
     - I've been feeling that way for over a year now.  Dr.Phool   Jul-11-08 10:49 PM   #129 
  - So, where would you go?  panzerfaust   Jul-11-08 07:30 AM   #14 
  - Must admit, I'm also bummed out and posting less. But, I won't give this place up.  leveymg   Jul-11-08 07:32 AM   #15 
  - I also am bummed and am posted a helluva lot less, and I'm avoiding  Nay   Jul-11-08 09:23 PM   #110 
     - You speak for me, Nay,  8_year_nightmare   Jul-11-08 10:42 PM   #126 
     - Nay, you are not alone. I only lirk and comment occasionally,  anitar1   Jul-11-08 10:57 PM   #131 
  - There are plenty of us here that go beyond party labels  mmonk   Jul-11-08 07:34 AM   #17 
  - I hope you stay, whether posting or not.  JohnnyLib2   Jul-11-08 07:35 AM   #18 
  - Don't go.  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-11-08 07:35 AM   #19 
  - dude -- don't go -- the more of us  xchrom   Jul-11-08 07:37 AM   #21 
  - The Long Road Back  KharmaTrain   Jul-11-08 07:37 AM   #22 
  - Anyone with FISA concerns is a disloyal, idiotic "purist" who shouldn't post in GD-P  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jul-11-08 07:39 AM   #24 
  - But if you disagree with the mass thinking, that is that FISA is not  merh   Jul-11-08 08:43 AM   #39 
  - Then learn from those who use facts. Try for anything on FISA & Obama  bjobotts   Jul-12-08 12:16 AM   #151 
     - I don't think he has supported his opinions with actual references  merh   Jul-12-08 01:16 PM   #191 
  - I wish I could k/r your post.  emilyg   Jul-11-08 08:20 PM   #103 
  - FISA concerns are one thing  Jake3463   Jul-11-08 09:24 PM   #111 
  - Perfect Post!  Steely_Dan   Jul-11-08 10:54 PM   #130 
  - I understand totally, and feel the same for the most part  RainDog   Jul-11-08 07:39 AM   #25 
  - You said it better than I did.  ThomWV   Jul-11-08 07:47 AM   #27 
  - I imagine if the criticism took on a more constructive tone...  HughMoran   Jul-11-08 07:51 AM   #28 
  - So you don't believe that is some point that can not be passed? No deal-breaker?  ThomWV   Jul-11-08 07:53 AM   #29 
  - If you can't support our candiate due to that 1 issue, then you have issues here  HughMoran   Jul-11-08 07:58 AM   #30 
     - Trashing the constitution  Andrea   Jul-11-08 01:11 PM   #63 
     - You can support Obama and still criticize him on his horrible FISA support.  bjobotts   Jul-12-08 12:17 AM   #152 
        - The 2 thoughts can exist side by side.Vote Obama as better than McCain  bjobotts   Jul-12-08 12:18 AM   #153 
           - Buat tell Obama he's wrong on FISA and it matters.Same if he decides torture is ok.  bjobotts   Jul-12-08 12:19 AM   #154 
  - As someone who hasn't been posting anything lately  RainDog   Jul-11-08 08:08 AM   #32 
     - "you are the ones"  HughMoran   Jul-11-08 08:17 AM   #33 
     - I do speak for myself  RainDog   Jul-11-08 08:33 AM   #36 
        - I do care what you say  HughMoran   Jul-11-08 09:46 AM   #44 
     - the puritan/one issue label  G_j   Jul-11-08 04:33 PM   #80 
        - Hear, hear!  notsodumbhillbilly   Jul-11-08 06:38 PM   #96 
  - great post  leftchick   Jul-11-08 07:59 AM   #31 
  - I know what you and Thom mean, have gotten shit, have considered leaving also  uppityperson   Jul-11-08 11:26 AM   #57 
  - I'm sorry for what you are going through.  emmadoggy   Jul-11-08 11:51 AM   #58 
  - My take on this  turtlensue   Jul-11-08 06:13 PM   #89 
  - I like your post, turtlesnue. I suppose what scares me is  Olney Blue   Jul-11-08 07:55 PM   # 
  - I suspect this is exactly what underlies the unease with many of us...  adsosletter   Jul-11-08 09:38 PM   #116 
  - Progressives are NOT a minority in this country-we just don't have the  Lorien   Jul-11-08 11:17 PM   #138 
  - Well Stated...  Steely_Dan   Jul-11-08 11:00 PM   #132 
  - Thom - I hope you reconsider  DrDan   Jul-11-08 07:46 AM   #26 
  - I rarely ask posters not to leave but  malaise   Jul-11-08 08:21 AM   #34 
  - I think even many of the people disagreeing with you have at least  Vickers   Jul-11-08 08:21 AM   #35 
  - Stick around old Friend  symbolman   Jul-11-08 08:36 AM   #37 
  - say it isn't so, symbolman  grasswire   Jul-12-08 12:53 AM   #158 
     - Its So :)  symbolman   Jul-12-08 10:32 AM   #186 
  - Oh bullshit.  lonestarnot   Jul-11-08 08:38 AM   #38 
  - A lot of people have been saying that Obama is dead wrong on this, I just dont see what you speak of  no limit   Jul-11-08 08:46 AM   #40 
  - I won't presume to tell you what to do  awoke_in_2003   Jul-11-08 08:57 AM   #41 
  - DemocraticAboveground?  wtmusic   Jul-11-08 09:09 AM   #42 
  - I think he was wrong.  OnionPatch   Jul-11-08 09:11 AM   #43 
  - The Democratic kingmakers suffer from the curse of "conventional wisdom".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-11-08 09:56 AM   #45 
  - I hardly ever comment on these threads but don't leave  Ichingcarpenter   Jul-11-08 10:01 AM   #46 
  - Who decides right and wrong on every issue and why is that person qualified?  dmordue   Jul-11-08 10:03 AM   #47 
  - Why do you agree with the FISA vote?  RainDog   Jul-11-08 10:33 AM   #49 
  - I volunteer to answer  Political Heretic   Jul-12-08 07:55 AM   #179 
     - thank you. that is a GREAT answer.  RainDog   Jul-12-08 11:07 AM   #187 
  - Disagreement is one thing. The way that it is expressed is another.  tnlefty   Jul-11-08 10:51 AM   #53 
  - Who decides right and wrong? A person called Ethics.  bean fidhleir   Jul-11-08 11:52 AM   #60 
  - Not on every issue. But some issues are wrong to support like destroying the constitution  bjobotts   Jul-12-08 12:21 AM   #155 
  - ** You deserve an answer to this question and I'll try to give it to you  ThomWV   Jul-12-08 06:54 AM   #176 
  - some of us have not been shy about pointing out when we feel Obama is wrong about something . . .  OneBlueSky   Jul-11-08 10:19 AM   #48 
  - You can't leave until we have a chance to revisit this thread...  SidDithers   Jul-11-08 10:36 AM   #50 
  - I know exactly how you feel, but notice the lack of a donor star,  greyhound1966   Jul-11-08 10:36 AM   #51 
  - A huge number of true blues have already left DU...  Dover   Jul-11-08 10:46 AM   #52 
  - This is nothing compared to what GDP was durring the primary.  L0oniX   Jul-11-08 10:52 AM   #54 
  - I guess you see what you want to see.  skooooo   Jul-11-08 11:24 AM   #56 
  - Isn't it though?  Laurab   Jul-11-08 02:35 PM   #66 
     - The point is though, that many of us don't think Obama had to vote for FISA  Fumesucker   Jul-11-08 03:00 PM   #70 
     - I think if everything goes on fairly Obama can't lose.  arundhatiroyfan   Jul-11-08 05:11 PM   #82 
     - What is this reality? The FISA vote has alienated some of his strongest supporters.  John Q. Citizen   Jul-11-08 05:48 PM   #86 
     - well said, John Q.  bbgrunt   Jul-12-08 01:27 AM   #161 
     - Yes...There is a lot at stake...  Steely_Dan   Jul-11-08 11:09 PM   #134 
  - Years ahead of you.  Beam Me Up   Jul-11-08 11:51 AM   #59 
  - very well said  leftchick   Jul-11-08 12:41 PM   #62 
  - Right there with you...  Psyop Samurai   Jul-11-08 03:31 PM   #73 
  - Write More!  Steely_Dan   Jul-11-08 11:11 PM   #135 
  - k and r for your post, beam!  bbgrunt   Jul-12-08 01:29 AM   #162 
  - Join Progressive Democrats of America. You will find like-minded thinkers.  robinlynne   Jul-11-08 12:31 PM   #61 
  - Obama was wrong on FISA.  KamaAina   Jul-11-08 01:14 PM   #64 
  - Don't go, we need help yanking out the weeds (n/t)  harun   Jul-11-08 01:43 PM   #65 
  - I hear you.  LWolf   Jul-11-08 02:48 PM   #67 
  - I would miss you, but completely understand your feelings.  BeHereNow   Jul-11-08 02:54 PM   #68 
  - Know exactly what you are saying perfectly well  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-11-08 02:56 PM   #69 
  - people that disagree with you aren't fools  Enrique   Jul-11-08 03:08 PM   #71 
  - I did not say they were fools for disagreeing with me - I simply said they were fools - and they are  ThomWV   Jul-11-08 03:25 PM   #72 
     - they might be right and you might be wrong  Enrique   Jul-12-08 05:12 AM   #173 
        - What a childish thing to say  ThomWV   Jul-12-08 06:07 AM   #174 
           - I consider myself well-informed and yet I am often wrong  Enrique   Jul-12-08 06:12 AM   #175 
  - You are not alone. n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-08 03:35 PM   #74 
  - Post whenever it's right for you, Thom.  Psyop Samurai   Jul-11-08 03:49 PM   #75 
  - I'm with you, Thom.  Blue_In_AK   Jul-11-08 04:04 PM   #76 
  - Groupthink, ain't it wonderful?  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-11-08 04:07 PM   #77 
     - It's very troubling on a site that has UNDERGROUND  Blue_In_AK   Jul-11-08 04:08 PM   #78 
        - Nope in fact this place is becoming free republic lite  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-11-08 04:10 PM   #79 
  - Thom I always tried to read your threads when I saw your handle attached to them.  lpbk2713   Jul-11-08 04:44 PM   #81 
  - Leave if you must  ByTheRiver   Jul-11-08 05:28 PM   #83 
  - I feel you man....but giving up is not an option  slutticus   Jul-11-08 05:32 PM   #84 
  - Posting at DU has nothing to do with giving up or not, I think.  tom_paine   Jul-11-08 05:55 PM   #88 
     - that needed to be said  G_j   Jul-11-08 06:33 PM   #95 
  - Do what I do. Mainly live in the lounge  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-11-08 05:35 PM   #85 
  - Well said and true, Thom.  tom_paine   Jul-11-08 05:49 PM   #87 
  - You're right, Thom  notsodumbhillbilly   Jul-11-08 06:26 PM   #90 
  - i only drop in here and there  noiretblu   Jul-11-08 06:27 PM   #91 
  - We are Democrats what would you expect. We always fight among ourselves.  rhett o rick   Jul-11-08 06:31 PM   #93 
  - look, it's simply about numbers. As the readership expands the views are naturally  burythehatchet   Jul-11-08 06:33 PM   #94 
  - I understand, ThomWV!  themartyred   Jul-11-08 07:47 PM   #97 
  - Bye. And, you and Feingold are wrong.  Dawgs   Jul-11-08 07:55 PM   #99 
  - Would be easier to believe, if the people defending FISA weren't George Bush and Rush Limbaugh.  LVjinx   Jul-12-08 01:45 AM   #164 
  - Damn, I'm new to the site (been reading for years, just started posting)  20score   Jul-11-08 07:57 PM   #100 
  - I've been a DU'er since 2001...  deutsey   Jul-11-08 08:07 PM   #102 
  - One of Us, One of Us, One of us!!  puerco-bellies   Jul-11-08 08:32 PM   #104 
  - I feel ya. Been here since 2001 and barely recognize the place anymore.  QC   Jul-11-08 08:34 PM   #105 
  - Too many conservatives  lynyrd_skynyrd   Jul-11-08 08:59 PM   #107 
  - I'm none of those things  Jake3463   Jul-11-08 09:25 PM   #112 
  - Monarchists, Phalangists, White Guard officers, Secessionists,  Hardrada   Jul-12-08 01:53 AM   #165 
  - Nope. Can't go. Sit back down and take a DEEEEEP breath.  Raster   Jul-11-08 09:03 PM   #108 
  - ok....  Jake3463   Jul-11-08 09:21 PM   #109 
  - Neh-neh: Buh-BYE!1 n/t  UTUSN   Jul-11-08 09:29 PM   #113 
  - I hear you, Thom.  FarceOfNature   Jul-11-08 09:33 PM   #114 
  - Remember that some of the trolling comes from folks who get paid to do so.  BlueIris   Jul-11-08 09:35 PM   #115 
  - du  whathappened   Jul-11-08 09:46 PM   #118 
  - Stay informed. Just read the LBN and avoid the replies. nt  blackops   Jul-11-08 09:51 PM   #119 
  - bunch of whiners  hay rick   Jul-11-08 10:08 PM   #120 
  - many of the balancing voices have been run off.  nashville_brook   Jul-11-08 10:10 PM   #121 
  - if clinton was the nominee and she had voten for fisa, i am sure the outrage  lionesspriyanka   Jul-11-08 10:27 PM   #124 
  - Being a new guy on the DU site but a long-time liberal Democrat, I feel lucky to have  bertman   Jul-11-08 10:29 PM   #125 
  - ebb&flow  bonito   Jul-11-08 10:43 PM   #127 
  - Thom...I feel the same way  Steely_Dan   Jul-11-08 10:44 PM   #128 
  - That's it! You hit the nail on the head with this...  jannyk   Jul-12-08 02:01 AM   #166 
  - Obama's vote sucked ass.  krkaufman   Jul-11-08 11:14 PM   #136 
  - I know, what a shame that we can't constantly attack Obama  cbc5g   Jul-11-08 11:23 PM   #139 
  - Holy Molly the progressives getting scorned on this site, that's a twist  desktop   Jul-11-08 11:30 PM   #142 
  - I'm a progressive who liked Hillary even less than I liked Obama  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-13-08 12:13 PM   #205 
  - Well said Thom.  TriMetFan   Jul-11-08 11:37 PM   #144 
  - The wind is out of my sail too.  sellitman   Jul-11-08 11:42 PM   #145 
  - I agree with you. The site has become somewhat watered down.  go west young man   Jul-12-08 12:07 AM   #147 
  - Changing DU  spag68   Jul-12-08 12:10 AM   #148 
  - That's an apt comment  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-13-08 12:15 PM   #206 
  - Regarless of what you might think, your opinion is in the majority among dems.  bjobotts   Jul-12-08 12:13 AM   #149 
  - This thread has quite a few of my favorite posters on it sounding discouraged.  glitch   Jul-12-08 12:24 AM   #156 
  - I understand you.  realpolitik   Jul-12-08 12:37 AM   #157 
  - I am not sure about the Dems-but I agree about certain new members of the Democratic party  nam78_two   Jul-12-08 01:05 AM   #160 
  - Excellent Post  Steely_Dan   Jul-12-08 02:38 AM   #168 
  - It's about poor judgment  JustAnotherGen   Jul-12-08 03:33 PM   #192 
  - Just about starting posting here. And it is quite a lot  azul   Jul-12-08 02:02 AM   #167 
  - I think more people are on your side than are not  Horse with no Name   Jul-12-08 04:11 AM   #172 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-08 07:29 AM   #177 
  - I don't consider your view progressive.  Political Heretic   Jul-12-08 07:50 AM   #178 
  - This post would be of more value  baby_mouse   Jul-12-08 08:45 AM   #181 
  - No?  baby_mouse   Jul-12-08 09:58 PM   #197 
  - I did my first original post last night and wow, I understand your sentiment.  20score   Jul-12-08 08:39 AM   #180 
  - You're not kidding.  baby_mouse   Jul-12-08 08:47 AM   #182 
  - Please don't go  JustAnotherGen   Jul-12-08 09:19 AM   #183 
  - don't get run off.  ulysses   Jul-12-08 09:23 AM   #185 
  - DU has a lot to offer  mix   Jul-12-08 11:24 AM   #188 
  - Your one of my favs... so please stay the course  mdmc   Jul-12-08 11:28 AM   #189 
  - "Stay the course"....  baby_mouse   Jul-12-08 09:57 PM   #196 
  - I'm here less and less, but I'm not giving up yet!  NC_Nurse   Jul-12-08 03:40 PM   #193 
  - Screw it! I'm out too. After my first original post, just too many  20score   Jul-12-08 09:53 PM   #195 
  - Nah, just give up on GD and GD: Pee  Redneck Socialist   Jul-12-08 09:58 PM   #198 
  - I'm new, so I'd like to know. What's GD?  20score   Jul-12-08 10:09 PM   #200 
     - General Discussion  Redneck Socialist   Jul-12-08 10:41 PM   #201 
  - Almost everyone was criticizing his FISA vote  TheFarseer   Jul-12-08 09:59 PM   #199 
  - Another poster who can't stand that people disagree with him  robcon   Jul-12-08 11:06 PM   #202 
  - It's good that he explains his position.  baby_mouse   Jul-12-08 11:12 PM   #203 
  - How much can people take  Cherchez la Femme   Jul-13-08 10:49 AM   #204 
  - A point on the Feingold statement in the OP  SOS   Jul-13-08 12:47 PM   #207 
  - If we don't have truth, we have nothing.  TheGoldenRule   Jul-14-08 05:15 PM   #208 

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