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Fri Jul-11-08 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #28 |
| 31. Did I say I support FISA? |
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Why all the hostility here? Is this a board to discuss Democratic issues or a board dedicated to insulting others? Maybe my response would be more thorough if everyone didn't start out by hurling insults. I mean, why the hell should I bother trying to explain how I feel when people have already decided I'm too stupid to "make that connection" because it's "too abstract" for dumb little me?
My only point with my original post was that the world did not end just because the FISA bill passed. I wasn't praising FISA or defending it!
This FISA crap is a catch-22 for Obama. If he voted exactly the way some demand then the GOP would have yet another avenue of attack for him...they would spin it into him being weak on terrorism, that he was weak on the "war on terror." That he's more concerned about protecting the rights of terrorists than keeping Americans safe. It's a bunch of baloney but people fall for it.
It's unfortunate but most Americans are easily fooled, that's why the Republicans are so eager to play the fear card. The Bush administration has done a masterful job of scaring the hell out the average American who is not up to date on every minutia of the FISA bill and frankly don't care if the telecoms get immunity if they believe it is going to be keep them safe. It's unfortunate but it's the reality.
Your average American voters are not political junkies like many of us are. They don't read newspapers or blogs or watch news channels with as much interest and intensity as most of us do. Why do you think Bush and Cheney have been able to get away with everything they have in the past seven and a half years?
Just look how McCain and Hillary were able to distort Obama's "bitter" comments! Look at how they have been and will be distorting the 30 seconds of selected comments from Reverend Wright to portray him and Obama as "racist" and "America haters." Hell, there's still a significant amount of people in this country who still think Obama is a Muslim, or for that matter, there's still millions of Americans who still think Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11!
I doubt if most Americans can name five of the signers of the Constitution. I doubt if most Americans can correctly site the correct wording of the First Amendment.
A recent study showed that even today, 7 out of 10 Americans could not locate Iraq on a map!
This FISA bill would have passed no matter which way Obama voted. Laying it all on his shoulders is unfair. Right now he is running for the office of president, it's not the primaries anymore. If he wants to win, he must make certain tactical decisions. He must appeal to those in the center and those to the right of center.
I don't know why some are making this one single issue the litmus test for Obama. I prefer to look at the whole picture, not just zero in on one issue.
I don't like this FISA bill either but the truth of the matter is that it was going to pass no matter what Obama did and he was going to receive criticism no matter what he did.
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| -FISA - The End of the World as We Know It? |
ObamaVision |
Jul-10-08 12:36 AM |
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I guess it is kind of the straw that breaks the camel's back. |
EbenezerMcIntosh |
Jul-10-08 12:38 AM |
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I wish it were true, but after living with the nonsense of the |
midnight |
Jul-10-08 12:39 AM |
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Wrong. |
blackops |
Jul-10-08 12:52 AM |
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Really? |
ObamaVision |
Jul-10-08 12:59 AM |
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Go back to sleep. Everything is fine. nt |
blackops |
Jul-10-08 01:02 AM |
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You are assuming he was ever awake. |
TheWatcher |
Jul-10-08 02:14 AM |
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What's with the personal attacks? |
ObamaVision |
Jul-10-08 02:52 AM |
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I don't understand the bullying tactics around here myself, and |
Faux pas |
Jul-10-08 03:57 AM |
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Thank you! |
ObamaVision |
Jul-10-08 11:09 PM |
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Glad you're here too. Give 'em hell ObamaVision! |
Faux pas |
Jul-11-08 01:47 AM |
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I don't really consider that a personal attack. |
TheWatcher |
Jul-11-08 07:43 AM |
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Shrug it off. Sadly, it's fairly typical. |
TexasObserver |
Jul-11-08 08:02 AM |
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Good advice! |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 09:28 AM |
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Stupid post of the day award |
HughMoran |
Jul-10-08 11:23 PM |
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Thanks for your kind words..... |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 12:58 AM |
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Go Back To Your Superior Indifference and The Comforting Wilful Ignorance |
TheWatcher |
Jul-11-08 07:40 AM |
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Well, I certainly don't care what you think - troublemaker |
HughMoran |
Jul-11-08 07:44 AM |
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And I have no use for tiresome, magical thinking lambs like you. |
TheWatcher |
Jul-11-08 07:47 AM |
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Why, I oughta cut your nuts off!! |
HughMoran |
Jul-11-08 07:54 AM |
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That's The Spirit! |
TheWatcher |
Jul-11-08 08:01 AM |
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Of course you don't. |
TheWatcher |
Jul-10-08 02:11 AM |
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Read slow... C.O.N.G.R.E.S.S |
Breeze54 |
Jul-10-08 11:14 PM |
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And I feel fine n/t |
JeffR |
Jul-10-08 12:53 AM |
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That's great... |
Fox Mulder |
Jul-10-08 12:57 AM |
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With NO sarcasm intended, |
pnorman |
Jul-10-08 01:03 AM |
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Add FISA to that list. |
Swamp Rat |
Jul-10-08 02:22 AM |
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That graphic is just awesome! You've out done yourself!! |
Breeze54 |
Jul-10-08 11:17 PM |
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The FISA Cave-In Could Affect *ALL* Of Those Issues! |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-10-08 03:25 AM |
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Why do you feel the need to defend the unconscionable |
mmonk |
Jul-10-08 11:12 PM |
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Why do you feel the need to take my post so personally? |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 12:53 AM |
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The appearance of dismissal of a real and grave concern. |
mmonk |
Jul-11-08 07:23 AM |
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Welcome to DU ObamaVision! |
SidneyCarton |
Jul-11-08 10:24 AM |
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Thank you for the encouragement! |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 10:54 AM |
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Wait. The government's ability to spy and Bush not being held accountable effects none of that? |
readmoreoften |
Jul-10-08 11:40 PM |
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I didn't know we were at war with Iran |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 12:45 AM |
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The war with Iran is cold right now.. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-11-08 12:50 AM |
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Especially if McCain becomes president. n/t |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 12:54 AM |
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Yeah, well, give it a few months and let's see. But is that your only response? |
readmoreoften |
Jul-11-08 01:02 AM |
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Did I say I support FISA? |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 01:36 AM |
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You're Right . . . Constitutional Rights . . . WHO FUCKIN' NEEDS 'EM? |
Krashkopf |
Jul-10-08 11:56 PM |
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People seemed to have missed the point on my post |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 12:47 AM |
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Dude what the fuck is up with that creepy photo? It looks like a Viagra commercial |
readmoreoften |
Jul-11-08 01:05 AM |
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 01:20 AM |
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Yeah, it's not porn. It's just odd. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-11-08 02:12 AM |
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YES IT DOES!! |
Breeze54 |
Jul-11-08 02:21 AM |
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... |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-11-08 03:24 PM |
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No . . . I got your point. |
Krashkopf |
Jul-11-08 10:05 AM |
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If I may... |
SidneyCarton |
Jul-11-08 10:31 AM |
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You are quite right, of course. |
Krashkopf |
Jul-11-08 10:35 AM |
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Oh please! |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 10:51 AM |
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Oh, please, yourself . . . |
Krashkopf |
Jul-11-08 10:54 AM |
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Have we met before? |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 11:15 AM |
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The inability to see yourself as others see you . . . |
Krashkopf |
Jul-11-08 11:18 AM |
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Ummmm, hate to tell you this, but.... |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 11:34 AM |
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I hate to tell YOU this, but . . . |
Krashkopf |
Jul-11-08 03:07 PM |
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I don't have a lot of problems with spying on FOREIGN communications |
MiniMe |
Jul-11-08 05:48 AM |
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Probably one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read on DU. |
burythehatchet |
Jul-11-08 06:00 AM |
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Not one item on your list is a Constitutional issue, FISA is. Can't you see the difference? |
ThomWV |
Jul-11-08 07:45 AM |
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You're correct, of course |
TexasObserver |
Jul-11-08 07:57 AM |
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That's the point of my post! |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 09:25 AM |
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You are hanging on a very thin reed. |
Krashkopf |
Jul-11-08 10:33 AM |
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You are reading way too much into my post. |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 11:29 AM |
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Here are a few things FISA could affect |
LibFromWV |
Jul-11-08 07:59 AM |
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We don't need the fourth amendment... |
DearAbby |
Jul-11-08 10:41 AM |
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The sky is falling! The sky is falling! |
ObamaVision |
Jul-11-08 11:13 AM |
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Don't piss on my head and then tell me its raining. |
Krashkopf |
Jul-11-08 03:16 PM |
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