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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:55 PM
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105. must say: it is only a "dream" not a reality
My grandparents were better off than I will ever be. In fact, I am now back to the level of my great grandparents- poverty and subsistence farming (gardening, for me).
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  -The American Dream is over. Writer  Jul-09-08 10:45 PM   #0 
  - I don't usually agree with you, but this is spot-on  Finnfan   Jul-09-08 10:48 PM   #1 
  - Let me guess, you have a plan...  djohnson   Jul-10-08 12:02 AM   #30 
     - Lol. Not even close.  Finnfan   Jul-10-08 06:34 AM   #58 
     - Actually, i am on the other end of the scale.  realpolitik   Jul-10-08 10:11 AM   #70 
     - Isn't survival the number one priority for most people?  Wcross   Jul-10-08 07:51 PM   #115 
        - I notice this as well  tburnsten   Jul-11-08 02:06 PM   #137 
           - I guess food comes from grocery stores.........  Wcross   Jul-11-08 05:20 PM   #142 
  - You have to be asleep to believe in it.  arcadian   Jul-09-08 10:49 PM   #2 
  - Even MANAGEMENT is waking up.  PassingFair   Jul-09-08 10:50 PM   #4 
  - Sorry, what does this have to do with FISA? You need to make your post FISA-relevant  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 10:50 PM   #3 
  - BTW, I do agree that our standard of living is in decline. Just a matter  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 10:52 PM   #6 
  - Awh-h-h, quitcher bitchin'! Look at the bright side.  anotheryellowdog   Jul-09-08 10:52 PM   #5 
  - This is a blip  clovis29   Jul-09-08 11:02 PM   #7 
  - .  Blue State Native   Jul-10-08 07:29 AM   #64 
  - You don't realize how wrecked our economy is do you?  Wcross   Jul-10-08 07:58 PM   #117 
  - Are you sharing the pills with the  mountainvue   Jul-10-08 09:44 PM   #125 
  - This is the first time I've seriously thought of buying a house...  liberalmuse   Jul-09-08 11:02 PM   #8 
  - I can see the Canadian border from a hill in my little town.....  cliffordu   Jul-10-08 10:15 AM   #71 
     - I applied a couple of days ago  lynettebro440   Jul-10-08 06:48 PM   #101 
  - But hey, wasn't it one hell of a party?  realpolitik   Jul-09-08 11:06 PM   #9 
  - K&R for this reply!  Newsjock   Jul-09-08 11:10 PM   #10 
  - I also appluad your reply.  Wcross   Jul-10-08 08:00 PM   #119 
  - oh spare me  aspergris   Jul-09-08 11:22 PM   #11 
  - Sorry, but the dynamics are totally different today.  Elwood P Dowd   Jul-09-08 11:34 PM   #13 
  - The oldest canard  aspergris   Jul-09-08 11:38 PM   #14 
     - Show me history  Elwood P Dowd   Jul-09-08 11:45 PM   #18 
     - And  aspergris   Jul-09-08 11:50 PM   #22 
        - It's obvious that you are a republican. Why are you here?  Elwood P Dowd   Jul-09-08 11:58 PM   #27 
        - No, I am on this board  aspergris   Jul-10-08 12:02 AM   #29 
        - ZOMG! he disagreed with you!  tchunter   Jul-10-08 07:02 PM   #110 
        - WTF  sudopod   Jul-11-08 01:46 PM   #134 
        - What does the length of time on this sight have to do with his post?  tired   Jul-11-08 02:07 PM   #138 
        - Don't you know that to be a "progressive" means you must be a pessimist?  Common Sense Party   Jul-10-08 10:29 AM   #75 
     - Good god, you sound like Joseph Kennedy's shoeshine boy.  thecatburgler   Jul-09-08 11:46 PM   #20 
        - I sound like somebody  aspergris   Jul-09-08 11:55 PM   #25 
           - Stay tuned. Every recovery was dependant on the supply of cheap energy.  cliffordu   Jul-10-08 10:24 AM   #73 
           - again, no vision  aspergris   Jul-10-08 06:40 PM   #98 
              - Your nievete is charming.  cliffordu   Jul-10-08 06:47 PM   #100 
                 - necessity  aspergris   Jul-10-08 07:00 PM   #107 
           - maybe your right maybe your wrong  natrat   Jul-10-08 07:32 PM   #112 
  - The operative phrase being: "Been a Union member for years"  thecatburgler   Jul-09-08 11:42 PM   #16 
  - If I sound like a Wingnut for saying the American Dream ISN'T over  aspergris   Jul-09-08 11:46 PM   #19 
     - If you know history, then you know that the last time our country emerged from  thecatburgler   Jul-09-08 11:53 PM   #23 
        - not even close  aspergris   Jul-09-08 11:56 PM   #26 
           - And people living during the Great Depression  thecatburgler   Jul-10-08 12:11 AM   #33 
           - Who is this "we"?  aspergris   Jul-10-08 12:23 AM   #37 
              - Where are the Hoovervilles?  thecatburgler   Jul-10-08 12:31 AM   #42 
                 - Btw, just to dispel this "freeper" accusation  aspergris   Jul-10-08 12:34 AM   #43 
                 - As will McCain.  thecatburgler   Jul-10-08 12:46 AM   #45 
                    - Mccain won't spend jack cause he won't win...  aspergris   Jul-10-08 01:04 AM   #46 
                 - Right across the kansas river from me  realpolitik   Jul-10-08 10:33 AM   #76 
                 - Try East St. Louis.  Political Heretic   Jul-10-08 07:02 PM   #109 
           - So, this is as bad as this one will get?  MattSh   Jul-10-08 12:55 PM   #84 
  - Will the mods please do something with this freeper.  Elwood P Dowd   Jul-10-08 12:00 AM   #28 
  - Please quote  aspergris   Jul-10-08 12:03 AM   #31 
  - Get a life jerk.  Elwood P Dowd   Jul-10-08 12:08 AM   #32 
     - I already provided case cites and data  aspergris   Jul-10-08 12:20 AM   #35 
     - Half the American people have nothing in the stock market  Elwood P Dowd   Jul-10-08 12:36 AM   #44 
        - How wrong you are  aspergris   Jul-10-08 01:08 AM   #47 
           - You're the one with no real knowledge and nothing but republican talking points.  Elwood P Dowd   Jul-10-08 01:48 AM   #51 
           - Anything you don't understand is....  aspergris   Jul-10-08 06:34 PM   #95 
           - some of us don't have any liquid assets...period  kineneb   Jul-10-08 06:50 PM   #102 
           - Curious, why are your references consistently the stock market?  tnlefty   Jul-11-08 12:12 PM   #130 
              - S/he posted that s/he is a trader  lastliberalintexas   Jul-11-08 01:03 PM   #132 
                 - I noticed that and it does help to explain the skewed point of  tnlefty   Jul-11-08 01:53 PM   #136 
     - Take it easy!  EOTE   Jul-10-08 10:46 AM   #81 
     - Srsly, who peed in your cornflakes this morning? nt  sudopod   Jul-11-08 01:50 PM   #135 
  - Wow  BigDaddy44   Jul-10-08 07:15 PM   #111 
  - I wish I had your optimism. Things look pretty bleak for many many people.  Truth4Justice   Jul-10-08 01:19 AM   #49 
  - And to add to your list, the deteriorating environment, weather,  ladjf   Jul-10-08 07:20 AM   #61 
  - Ask any economist  realpolitik   Jul-10-08 10:23 AM   #72 
  - Not All Of Us Say That  ProfessorGAC   Jul-10-08 10:34 AM   #77 
     - Sorry  realpolitik   Jul-10-08 10:42 AM   #80 
        - So True  ProfessorGAC   Jul-10-08 10:49 AM   #83 
  - I've got 17 years on you and can assure you that this time IS different!  DailyGrind51   Jul-10-08 01:34 PM   #86 
  - My first bank account gave me a 5% on my savings. You can't  Chimichurri   Jul-10-08 01:41 PM   #87 
     - That's right, and a lot of people really depend on interest to supplement  DailyGrind51   Jul-10-08 07:54 PM   #116 
  - 50/50 chance that it's always darkest before the storm too.  HypnoToad   Jul-10-08 06:51 PM   #103 
  - Our Government died first  StClone   Jul-09-08 11:23 PM   #12 
  - "Dem's in office offer no resistance" Will we ever be able to find  ladjf   Jul-10-08 07:22 AM   #62 
  - But as I've learned recently, right here on DU  thecatburgler   Jul-09-08 11:39 PM   #15 
  - the op is right. we should all just give up. i mean, what's the point?  CasualWatcher9   Jul-09-08 11:44 PM   #17 
  - I think that the op is saying,  NattPang   Jul-09-08 11:47 PM   #21 
  - wow. you got that from the op's post?  CasualWatcher9   Jul-09-08 11:54 PM   #24 
     - I think he understands better than McCain does. nt  thecatburgler   Jul-10-08 12:12 AM   #34 
        - ah, ok. so when i vote in november, i will definitely look for "he" on my ballot...  CasualWatcher9   Jul-10-08 12:22 AM   #36 
           - Do what you want. I'm voting for Obama. nt  thecatburgler   Jul-10-08 12:29 AM   #40 
  - The current situation is bad. But, giving up is always a bad move.  ladjf   Jul-10-08 07:26 AM   #63 
  - and if you're over 45, no one will hire you due to age discrimination  leftofthedial   Jul-10-08 12:24 AM   #38 
  - Those over the age of 50 who retrained for a new field are finding  DailyGrind51   Jul-10-08 01:19 PM   #85 
     - now you're scaring me  northernlights   Jul-10-08 01:56 PM   #89 
        - If this is at all encouraging,  DailyGrind51   Jul-10-08 07:59 PM   #118 
        - your job search  onetinsoldier   Jul-10-08 08:48 PM   #124 
  - And then there's the environment.  Gregorian   Jul-10-08 12:29 AM   #39 
  - The trees are dying? Do you mean the redwoods?  Raksha   Jul-10-08 02:04 AM   #54 
     - You might have seen me.  Gregorian   Jul-10-08 10:27 AM   #74 
  - "The American Dream" never existed except for a privileged few.  Fox Mulder   Jul-10-08 12:31 AM   #41 
  - Right.  aspergris   Jul-10-08 01:09 AM   #48 
     - There are scores of millions more who are poor...  Fox Mulder   Jul-10-08 01:33 AM   #50 
        - Your point and his aren't mutually exclusive.  nomorenomore08   Jul-10-08 01:56 AM   #52 
        - Except I look at the #'s  aspergris   Jul-10-08 02:01 AM   #53 
           - Some people are doing fine. Others are struggling very, very hard right now.  nomorenomore08   Jul-10-08 02:12 AM   #55 
           - "Don't you see what's happening here?  hfojvt   Jul-10-08 02:20 AM   #57 
              - I think that most of us find it out in our teens now  Indenturedebtor   Jul-10-08 10:37 AM   #78 
              - that's a big part of the problem  aspergris   Jul-10-08 06:23 PM   #94 
                 - Sure many people do live beyond their means  Indenturedebtor   Jul-10-08 06:39 PM   #96 
                    - I think they do a mediocre job  aspergris   Jul-10-08 07:01 PM   #108 
              - Honestly I don't need a rose garden...I just want a full time job  conflictgirl   Jul-10-08 10:29 PM   #126 
           - We buy with the dollars we have and not the dollars  Hardrada   Jul-10-08 02:18 AM   #56 
        - exactly  aspergris   Jul-11-08 01:00 PM   #131 
  - why stop at 45...?  QuestionAll   Jul-10-08 06:46 AM   #59 
  - If you're on the 60 side of 50, you understand it too!  DailyGrind51   Jul-10-08 07:14 AM   #60 
  - I have felt the first little hints of age discrimination  slackmaster   Jul-10-08 08:51 AM   #67 
  - You hope you get lucky and have a massive coranay attack. No one cares anyhow.  Truth4Justice   Jul-10-08 01:51 PM   #88 
     - Only if the coronary kills you.  DailyGrind51   Jul-11-08 04:26 PM   #141 
  - very true  Blue_Tires   Jul-10-08 07:47 AM   #65 
  - There is much truth in what you are saying, Writer, but it has happened before and it's not the end  slackmaster   Jul-10-08 08:45 AM   #66 
  - But what you or your parents paid for college in 1980 is nothing compared to today  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jul-10-08 08:55 AM   #68 
     - Yes, college was heavily subsidized in California when I was attending  slackmaster   Jul-10-08 09:07 AM   #69 
  - My dreams aren't about material crap  sleebarker   Jul-10-08 10:40 AM   #79 
  - sleebarker -> very well put...  Imagevision   Jul-10-08 06:39 PM   #97 
  - It always was a "dream". One induced by greed.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-10-08 10:49 AM   #82 
  - No it isn't.  Throd   Jul-10-08 02:22 PM   #90 
  - Yup...  aspergris   Jul-10-08 06:41 PM   #99 
  - Get sick- go bankrupt  depakid   Jul-10-08 02:23 PM   #91 
  - been there...  kineneb   Jul-10-08 06:52 PM   #104 
  - Well, if it substantiates my OP a bit more, my husband just got laid off this morning.  Writer   Jul-10-08 02:35 PM   #92 
  - Mother Nature bats last. Exponential growth always ends.  hunter   Jul-10-08 02:50 PM   #93 
  - must say: it is only a "dream" not a reality  kineneb   Jul-10-08 06:55 PM   #105 
  - I'm living well.... because I went bankrupt and then lowered my expectations :P  Political Heretic   Jul-10-08 06:59 PM   #106 
  - I disagree.  Joe Holmes   Jul-10-08 07:39 PM   #113 
  - Joe, that's a good story, but I have to ask:  Writer   Jul-10-08 07:47 PM   #114 
     - Answer:  Joe Holmes   Jul-10-08 08:06 PM   #120 
        - So Joe, how much of your "success" is just dumb luck?  hunter   Jul-11-08 12:42 AM   #127 
           - Bad shit happens, thats true.  Joe Holmes   Jul-11-08 08:26 AM   #129 
              - Not to get too personal, but since you posted about your cancer  lastliberalintexas   Jul-11-08 01:18 PM   #133 
  - You Whiner! Just think positive thoughts and you'll be ok...  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Jul-10-08 08:08 PM   #121 
  - Aw yes, the middle-class crack that is the consumerist American Nightmare kind of Dream.  Kip Humphrey   Jul-10-08 08:12 PM   #122 
  - End Is Near  NeedleCast   Jul-10-08 08:19 PM   #123 
  - When American Dream comes up, I never tire of telling my in-laws story  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jul-11-08 06:50 AM   #128 
  - let me clue you into something, there never ever was an "american dream"...  Javaman   Jul-11-08 02:41 PM   #139 
  - I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT THE TRUE AMERICAN DREAM IS TO BE IN 'DEBT'!  Tight_rope   Jul-11-08 03:33 PM   #140 
  - Even with a Dem President installed, does anyone think 09 is going to be better then 08?  Imagevision   Jul-11-08 05:50 PM   #143 
  - Probably not, but with Obama in office, things might start to look up in '10 and afterward.  nomorenomore08   Jul-11-08 06:28 PM   #144 
  - I really hate the fact that big business interests outweigh the populace's interests.  EOO   Jul-11-08 06:32 PM   #145 
 

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