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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #119
124. If you call it caving in then you are not really supporting Obama.
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  -****OFFICIAL FISA THREAD 3**** (They're voting on the Dodd/Feingold/Leahy amendment) gateley  Jul-09-08 11:05 AM   #0 
  - Breaking Hard: Feingold votes for his Bill!!!  LSK   Jul-09-08 11:07 AM   #1 
  - Does anyone ever ask him to explain that?  redqueen   Jul-09-08 11:07 AM   #6 
  - "Mr. Feingold - Aye" - Specter voted "no"  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:07 AM   #2 
  - I didn't expect that atfer yesterday. But Specter always does that.  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:08 AM   #7 
     - I could have sworn just this morning he said he'd vote for all the amendments. nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:14 AM   #42 
     - Not watching, but would that be talk tough before the cameras and then  davidwparker   Jul-09-08 11:34 AM   #120 
  - Not holding out much hope here.  redqueen   Jul-09-08 11:07 AM   #3 
  - Mr. Sanders - aye :)  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:07 AM   #4 
  - I count 16 ayes, but not sure. anyone have a count?  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:07 AM   #5 
  - Obama votes Aye on Dodd - Feingold Amendment  LSK   Jul-09-08 11:08 AM   #8 
  - "Mr. Obama, Aye."  TahitiNut   Jul-09-08 11:08 AM   #9 
  - Do you mean...  redqueen   Jul-09-08 11:10 AM   # 
  - Obama voted aye  maddezmom   Jul-09-08 11:08 AM   #10 
  - Obama Votes Aye...  KharmaTrain   Jul-09-08 11:08 AM   #11 
  - My C-Span screen says it needs 60 votes to pass  philly_bob   Jul-09-08 11:09 AM   # 
  - ok. so if the ammendment fails, they CAN vote out the whole bill, right?  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:09 AM   # 
  - Did I hear that right? Obama voted Aye for the Amendment?  redirish28   Jul-09-08 11:09 AM   #12 
  - yes. But he didn't speak or help the filibuster.  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:09 AM   #14 
     - and I guess he's planning on voting yes on the whole thing, without the Dodd-Fgold amdmt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:10 AM   #20 
     - We shall see....  Breeze54   Jul-09-08 11:12 AM   #31 
     - i'm surprised. Last I heard he wasn't going to vote for the Amendment.  redirish28   Jul-09-08 11:10 AM   #21 
     - I never heard that - he's always said he opposes the immunity provisions.  TahitiNut   Jul-09-08 11:12 AM   #34 
     - He always said he would. But, in final passage, he will vote for the bill even if the amendment is  Mass   Jul-09-08 11:13 AM   #40 
     - His position was ALWAYS to stip the telecom immunity provisions from the bill...  Windy   Jul-09-08 11:14 AM   #44 
     - He said he would vote for amendments to improve the bill, and would support the bill even if those  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-09-08 11:25 AM   #106 
     - the filibuster hasnt happened yet  LSK   Jul-09-08 11:15 AM   #47 
        - They voted on cloture back in June:  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-09-08 11:24 AM   #99 
  - K&R'd... Thanks, Gately !  Breeze54   Jul-09-08 11:09 AM   #13 
  - Biden - Aye! (That's my guy!) nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:09 AM   #15 
  - yay! nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:10 AM   #18 
  - rec 2!  helderheid   Jul-09-08 11:09 AM   #16 
  - Alot of No votes and Obama votes Aye  thewiseguy   Jul-09-08 11:10 AM   #17 
  - More Ayes than I thought there would be -- is there hope?? nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:10 AM   #19 
  - No. 60 Ayes are needed.  thewiseguy   Jul-09-08 11:11 AM   #24 
  - Clinton Aye?? I hear that?  LSK   Jul-09-08 11:10 AM   #22 
  - Yup.  TahitiNut   Jul-09-08 11:11 AM   #25 
  - Yep! nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:11 AM   #26 
  - I never got through to her office.  redqueen   Jul-09-08 11:11 AM   #30 
  - Clinton & Boxer... Aye !  Breeze54   Jul-09-08 11:11 AM   #23 
  - Webb voted no? wtf  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:11 AM   #27 
  - Follow the $$$....  Breeze54   Jul-09-08 11:13 AM   #36 
  - telecoms big in VA? nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:13 AM   #39 
  - Yup. Telecomm is big in Virgina.  TahitiNut   Jul-09-08 11:14 AM   #41 
  - WTF is right if true. Maybe I need to sit out the 2012 senate vote here in VA.  davidwparker   Jul-09-08 11:39 AM   #122 
  - Webb no? :(  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:11 AM   #28 
  - damnit  helderheid   Jul-09-08 11:12 AM   #35 
  - He's been a big proponent of telco immunity since he joined the Senate  jgraz   Jul-09-08 11:18 AM   #68 
  - Webb NO???? nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:11 AM   #29 
  - Webb was a life long republican and even voted for Bush for President  Ichingcarpenter   Jul-09-08 11:16 AM   #57 
  - Webb again votes no, just like he did in February :( n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-09-08 11:12 AM   #32 
  - February vote to strike immunity...link  slipslidingaway   Jul-09-08 11:15 AM   #48 
  - Menendez aye, Whitehouse aye  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:12 AM   #33 
  - McCaskill no??... Kerry aye! :)  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:13 AM   #37 
  - She changed her vote. Not a big surprise here. She is a Puke in Dems clothing.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-09-08 11:16 AM   #54 
  - McCaskill -- NO?? nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:13 AM   #38 
  - Huh?  SharonRB   Jul-09-08 11:15 AM   #52 
  - Sadly predictable  MadHound   Jul-09-08 11:19 AM   # 
  - Hagel no :-( nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:14 AM   #43 
  - Does anyone know of a link I can go to that will have the vote published with ayes and nos  redirish28   Jul-09-08 11:14 AM   #45 
  - go to the senate website  Mass   Jul-09-08 11:15 AM   #50 
  - thanks for the help.. Is it updated quickly?  redirish28   Jul-09-08 11:19 AM   # 
     - It will likey take at least an hour (and maybe two or three)  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-09-08 11:27 AM   #115 
  - It will be all over the internet in an hour or so my friend.  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:16 AM   #53 
  - Link will be updated later....  slipslidingaway   Jul-09-08 11:16 AM   #56 
  - Feinstein. the b...........  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:14 AM   # 
  - ...  thewiseguy   Jul-09-08 11:15 AM   #51 
  - Salazar votes no!  thewiseguy   Jul-09-08 11:14 AM   #46 
  - Is anyone surprised?  CrispyQGirl   Jul-09-08 11:16 AM   #55 
  - How cool would it be if this passes, and the Nays only needed ONE MORE VOTE  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:15 AM   #49 
  - For the third time we need 60 Ayes and I would be surprised if we even broke 40  thewiseguy   Jul-09-08 11:16 AM   #58 
  - I understand that - it's just a fantasy. nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:21 AM   #82 
  - in a real democracy, thisd crap wouldn't have a chance!  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:17 AM   #59 
  - That would be unbelievably cool.  redqueen   Jul-09-08 11:17 AM   #66 
  - Amendment failed. n/t  Texas Explorer   Jul-09-08 11:17 AM   #60 
  - 32-66 :( nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:17 AM   #62 
  - as was predicted  LSK   Jul-09-08 11:19 AM   # 
  - DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT  helderheid   Jul-09-08 11:17 AM   #61 
  - This atrocity is going to pass. What are we going to do?  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 11:20 AM   #78 
     - We're Going To Elect Obama  berni_mccoy   Jul-09-08 11:26 AM   #110 
        - Sure. But I don't think that just caving from now until then  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 11:30 AM   #119 
        - If you call it caving in then you are not really supporting Obama.  berni_mccoy   Jul-09-08 11:40 AM   #124 
           - berni, I'm not talking about Obama. I'm talking about Congress.  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 11:51 AM   #125 
        - Seems to me they are going the wrong way if they were trying to that.....  nolabels   Jul-09-08 11:40 AM   #123 
  - 32 ayes 66 nos.  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:17 AM   #63 
  - Amerika is so screwed.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-09-08 11:17 AM   #64 
  - I still can't get the "Live" link to work on CSPAN  SharonRB   Jul-09-08 11:17 AM   #65 
  - try c-span 2  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:18 AM   #70 
  - That's what I always use  SharonRB   Jul-09-08 11:19 AM   #76 
  - Oooooh  SharonRB   Jul-09-08 11:20 AM   #79 
  - How aggravating -  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:19 AM   #75 
  - Oh my god. I'm actually tearing up. This is heartbreaking. nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:18 AM   #67 
  - Let's keep in mind that this bill only affects civil lawsuits  SharonRB   Jul-09-08 11:18 AM   #71 
     - I know, but I'm so disappointed in our "representatives" seemingly not  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:25 AM   #104 
     - From my understanding we needed the ability to have civil suits.  balantz   Jul-09-08 11:38 AM   #121 
  - wow Arlene doesnt look that good  LSK   Jul-09-08 11:18 AM   #69 
  - I like what he's saying  senseandsensibility   Jul-09-08 11:19 AM   #74 
  - This senate has been out of order all morning!  B Calm   Jul-09-08 11:18 AM   #72 
  - Spectert is crazy. He jsut voted no and now he argues against immunity!  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:19 AM   #73 
  - and saying earlier and now more debate needed, yet voted no - wants his own amdt?  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:19 AM   #77 
  - obviously so.  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:21 AM   #84 
  - I don't want to sound rude but I honestly have to ask:  redirish28   Jul-09-08 11:21 AM   #85 
  - there's Byrd in the background (I asked about him earlier) nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:20 AM   #80 
  - Oh - I'm so glad to hear he's actually there. nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:22 AM   #91 
  - PS -- Have you seen Joe? Who's he hanging with? nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:23 AM   #94 
     - my video screen is so little and fuzzy when voting - can only pick out women in colorful suits!  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:24 AM   #98 
        - Just wondered if he was in off-floor discussions with Obama...  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:25 AM   #107 
        - Is that Clinton in the red jacket? lol  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:26 AM   #108 
           - oh, and Bond in that yellow jacket and with the head tilt! nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:26 AM   #113 
  - Now what are they voting on?  SharonRB   Jul-09-08 11:21 AM   #81 
  - I think Specter has an amendment  LSK   Jul-09-08 11:21 AM   #86 
  - Is it a different one to strip immunity?  SharonRB   Jul-09-08 11:22 AM   #90 
  - As I understand it, Specter amendment delays immunity  Jersey Devil   Jul-09-08 11:24 AM   #100 
  - The Specter amendment calls for dismissing all active  Texas Explorer   Jul-09-08 11:22 AM   #92 
     - ack! nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:23 AM   #96 
        - No kidding. Well put. nt  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:26 AM   #111 
  - Specter amendment  slipslidingaway   Jul-09-08 11:22 AM   #93 
  - "requires lawsuits to be didsmissed unless a federal court finds the law has  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:23 AM   #95 
     - Which law? The one that made warrantless wiretapping illegal?  Texas Explorer   Jul-09-08 11:26 AM   #112 
  - 5 months later they pick up ONE vote to srtike immunity...  slipslidingaway   Jul-09-08 11:21 AM   #83 
  - It's better than NO vote.  berni_mccoy   Jul-09-08 11:22 AM   #89 
  - Rockefeller is a real stand up guy. isn't he?  senseandsensibility   Jul-09-08 11:22 AM   #87 
  - roll-call on 2nd amendment - specter's - post from last thread  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jul-09-08 11:22 AM   #88 
  - ok. now I'm hoping for this one to pass. It's something.  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:24 AM   #97 
  - depeding on who the federal judge is. They tend to be Bush appointees.  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:25 AM   #102 
  - Yup  SharonRB   Jul-09-08 11:25 AM   #103 
     - This ammendment doesn't amke sense. it just takes the lawsuits out of their jurisdicitons  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:27 AM   #117 
  - Thanks for reading :)) n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-09-08 11:26 AM   #114 
  - What is the Specter amendment?  MiniMe   Jul-09-08 11:24 AM   #101 
  - see thread above by Joel  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 11:25 AM   #105 
  - new thread time?  LSK   Jul-09-08 11:26 AM   #109 
  - thread 4 is up!!  LSK   Jul-09-08 11:27 AM   #116 
  - ****THREAD 4*****  gateley   Jul-09-08 11:28 AM   #118 
 

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