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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 10:57 AM
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16. If he is elected
therein is the problem. We have no guarantees about that at all. In 2000 how many really believed that W could win when the previous two dems terms were prosperous and peaceful? Sure it was stolen as it was in '04 but that doesn't mean that won't happen in November either. These supreme court justices aren't all about to retire either, not the right wingers at any rate.
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  -Why FISA doesn't matter if Obama is elected kpominville  Jul-09-08 10:30 AM   #0 
  - By jove I think you may be on to something here  madokie   Jul-09-08 10:32 AM   #1 
  - Unfortunatley not. I have been reading a lot about this. The immunity is poison and cannot be  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 12:17 PM   #34 
  - You are making a lot of assumptions, none of which are guaranteed.  hisownpetard   Jul-09-08 10:32 AM   #2 
  - .............  Marrah_G   Jul-09-08 10:35 AM   #3 
  - So the next 6 months plus the  vpilot   Jul-09-08 10:35 AM   #4 
  - We got through 8 years of Bush  kpominville   Jul-09-08 10:37 AM   #8 
     - A man falling from a 30-storey window  subliminable   Jul-09-08 10:58 AM   #17 
     - An astonishing, horrifying amount of negative change is possible if we do not remove them now.  Peake   Jul-09-08 10:35 PM   #49 
  - The media isn't touching the issue  Robbien   Jul-09-08 10:36 AM   #5 
  - No guarantees with Obama in the WH  MadHound   Jul-09-08 10:37 AM   #6 
  - There IS a guarentee this will be revisited by the courts  kpominville   Jul-09-08 10:39 AM   #9 
     - Good luck with that, do you have the money to pony up for the court case?  MadHound   Jul-09-08 10:45 AM   #11 
     - Pessimism isn't helping  kpominville   Jul-09-08 10:51 AM   #13 
        - Sorry, but after being very active in politics for almost forty years, I prefer to deal in reality  MadHound   Jul-09-08 10:57 AM   #15 
           - So what is your solution?  kpominville   Jul-09-08 11:09 AM   #20 
              - Like I've said time and again,  MadHound   Jul-09-08 11:23 AM   #23 
                 - Public Financing of Elections  kpominville   Jul-09-08 11:28 AM   #25 
                    - Until we secure publicly funded elections in this country  MadHound   Jul-09-08 11:38 AM   #28 
                       - Agreed, so long as we don't implode over FISA  kpominville   Jul-09-08 12:06 PM   #29 
                       - Sorry, but I don't consider tearing down our Constitution to be small stuff  MadHound   Jul-09-08 10:27 PM   #46 
                       - the evisceration of our constitutional rights is NOT "small stuff"! sorry, I value that  niyad   Jul-10-08 01:03 PM   #54 
                       - That might work, but  blindpig   Jul-09-08 01:17 PM   #41 
                          - Sadly I have to agree with you  MadHound   Jul-09-08 10:29 PM   #48 
     - But no guarantee the Court will grant cert  dbaker41   Jul-09-08 11:02 AM   #18 
     - Citizens like ourselves are challenging it now. And getting tossed to the curb.  librechik   Jul-09-08 12:42 PM   #38 
  - I think his actions now reflect what kind of President he will be  bryant69   Jul-09-08 10:37 AM   #7 
  - The law matters more than any one man. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 10:40 AM   #10 
  - America still suffering PTSD from 9-11  kpominville   Jul-09-08 10:46 AM   #12 
  - No, America isn't suffering from PTSD, at least not the America I know  MadHound   Jul-09-08 10:53 AM   #14 
  - No, Problem Isn't System, the Problem is Apathy  kpominville   Jul-09-08 11:05 AM   #19 
     - And why did people become apathetic?  MadHound   Jul-09-08 11:14 AM   #21 
        - Instead of giving in to pessimism  kpominville   Jul-09-08 11:25 AM   #24 
  - Actually, I think we're suffering PTSD from BushCo and his gang of thug legislators...nt  bobbiejo   Jul-10-08 01:48 PM   #60 
  - If he is elected  Nite Owl   Jul-09-08 10:57 AM   #16 
  - Just curious  wryter2000   Jul-09-08 11:19 AM   #22 
  - Everyone except Roberts, Alito and Thomas  kpominville   Jul-09-08 11:33 AM   #27 
     - Scalia looks healthy to me  wryter2000   Jul-09-08 12:36 PM   #37 
  - I am not expecting the Supreme Court to rule that the "retroactive immunity"  Eric J in MN   Jul-09-08 11:30 AM   #26 
  - I wouldn't mind if Obama spied on me  mdmc   Jul-09-08 12:08 PM   #30 
  - Bigdog started the domestic warrantless spying program. Read the expose articles in Harpers, etc.  Leopolds Ghost   Jul-09-08 03:16 PM   #43 
  - you wouldn't mind if obama spied on you? may one ask why you are so willing to give up your  niyad   Jul-10-08 01:07 PM   #56 
  - To avoid the problem all Obama has to do is vote against the bill.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-09-08 12:09 PM   #31 
  - Obama must stack the court to appoint that many justices. Not at all a bad idea...  FreepFryer   Jul-09-08 12:15 PM   #32 
  - You are simply WRONG. The immunity cannot be undone ever. And the cases  robinlynne   Jul-09-08 12:16 PM   #33 
  - Wow. You are breathtakingly wrong.  Ian_rd   Jul-09-08 12:18 PM   #35 
  - If the media wasn't obsessing about this  kpominville   Jul-09-08 04:12 PM   #45 
     - This is the Constitution of the United States  Ian_rd   Jul-10-08 07:07 AM   #50 
        - lost that a long time ago  kpominville   Jul-10-08 01:08 PM   #57 
  - Power corrupts everyone  Larkspur   Jul-09-08 12:27 PM   #36 
  - I'm not sure that is entirely true...  Fumesucker   Jul-09-08 12:50 PM   #40 
  - You have been brainwashed by the media...  AntiFascist   Jul-09-08 12:46 PM   #39 
  - I thought Obama SUPPORTS the FISA bill. Why would he appoint SCOTUS likely to overturn it?  Leopolds Ghost   Jul-09-08 03:05 PM   #42 
  - You're assuming Obama will actively work to reverse this.  JHB   Jul-09-08 03:16 PM   #44 
  - Bullshit. Authoritarianism sucks. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 10:28 PM   #47 
  - Obama has no credibility on this issue  FredfromSpace   Jul-10-08 07:46 AM   #51 
  - So, you're saying that Obama's voting yes on FISA will help John McCain?...  lame54   Jul-10-08 08:21 AM   #52 
  - ask any constitutional law scholar--the 4th amendment was killed yesterday, and I am heartsick  niyad   Jul-10-08 12:57 PM   #53 
  - Obviously Unconstitutional  kpominville   Jul-10-08 01:07 PM   #55 
     - the current court is unlikely to do anything of the kind, as it is a repuke majority, and  niyad   Jul-10-08 01:29 PM   #58 
     - No choice in the matter  kpominville   Jul-10-08 04:58 PM   #62 
     - since it is obviously unconstitutional, WHY did obama vote for it, or any of the other dems?  niyad   Jul-10-08 01:30 PM   #59 
        - What happened with Habeus Corpus?  kpominville   Jul-10-08 04:56 PM   #61 
        - that is the key question that this thread does not answer. n/t  librechik   Jul-10-08 05:24 PM   #63 
  - The first Supreme Court justices to resign will likely be the liberal ones  MN Against Bush   Jul-10-08 05:28 PM   #64 

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