Nite Owl
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Wed Jul-09-08 10:57 AM
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therein is the problem. We have no guarantees about that at all. In 2000 how many really believed that W could win when the previous two dems terms were prosperous and peaceful? Sure it was stolen as it was in '04 but that doesn't mean that won't happen in November either. These supreme court justices aren't all about to retire either, not the right wingers at any rate.
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| -Why FISA doesn't matter if Obama is elected |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 10:30 AM |
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By jove I think you may be on to something here |
madokie |
Jul-09-08 10:32 AM |
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Unfortunatley not. I have been reading a lot about this. The immunity is poison and cannot be |
robinlynne |
Jul-09-08 12:17 PM |
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You are making a lot of assumptions, none of which are guaranteed. |
hisownpetard |
Jul-09-08 10:32 AM |
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............. |
Marrah_G |
Jul-09-08 10:35 AM |
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So the next 6 months plus the |
vpilot |
Jul-09-08 10:35 AM |
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We got through 8 years of Bush |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 10:37 AM |
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A man falling from a 30-storey window |
subliminable |
Jul-09-08 10:58 AM |
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An astonishing, horrifying amount of negative change is possible if we do not remove them now. |
Peake |
Jul-09-08 10:35 PM |
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The media isn't touching the issue |
Robbien |
Jul-09-08 10:36 AM |
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No guarantees with Obama in the WH |
MadHound |
Jul-09-08 10:37 AM |
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There IS a guarentee this will be revisited by the courts |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 10:39 AM |
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Good luck with that, do you have the money to pony up for the court case? |
MadHound |
Jul-09-08 10:45 AM |
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Pessimism isn't helping |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 10:51 AM |
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Sorry, but after being very active in politics for almost forty years, I prefer to deal in reality |
MadHound |
Jul-09-08 10:57 AM |
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So what is your solution? |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 11:09 AM |
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Like I've said time and again, |
MadHound |
Jul-09-08 11:23 AM |
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Public Financing of Elections |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 11:28 AM |
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Until we secure publicly funded elections in this country |
MadHound |
Jul-09-08 11:38 AM |
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Agreed, so long as we don't implode over FISA |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 12:06 PM |
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Sorry, but I don't consider tearing down our Constitution to be small stuff |
MadHound |
Jul-09-08 10:27 PM |
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the evisceration of our constitutional rights is NOT "small stuff"! sorry, I value that |
niyad |
Jul-10-08 01:03 PM |
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That might work, but |
blindpig |
Jul-09-08 01:17 PM |
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Sadly I have to agree with you |
MadHound |
Jul-09-08 10:29 PM |
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But no guarantee the Court will grant cert |
dbaker41 |
Jul-09-08 11:02 AM |
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Citizens like ourselves are challenging it now. And getting tossed to the curb. |
librechik |
Jul-09-08 12:42 PM |
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I think his actions now reflect what kind of President he will be |
bryant69 |
Jul-09-08 10:37 AM |
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The law matters more than any one man. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-09-08 10:40 AM |
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America still suffering PTSD from 9-11 |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 10:46 AM |
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No, America isn't suffering from PTSD, at least not the America I know |
MadHound |
Jul-09-08 10:53 AM |
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No, Problem Isn't System, the Problem is Apathy |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 11:05 AM |
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And why did people become apathetic? |
MadHound |
Jul-09-08 11:14 AM |
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Instead of giving in to pessimism |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 11:25 AM |
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Actually, I think we're suffering PTSD from BushCo and his gang of thug legislators...nt |
bobbiejo |
Jul-10-08 01:48 PM |
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If he is elected |
Nite Owl |
Jul-09-08 10:57 AM |
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Just curious |
wryter2000 |
Jul-09-08 11:19 AM |
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Everyone except Roberts, Alito and Thomas |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 11:33 AM |
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Scalia looks healthy to me |
wryter2000 |
Jul-09-08 12:36 PM |
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I am not expecting the Supreme Court to rule that the "retroactive immunity" |
Eric J in MN |
Jul-09-08 11:30 AM |
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I wouldn't mind if Obama spied on me |
mdmc |
Jul-09-08 12:08 PM |
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Bigdog started the domestic warrantless spying program. Read the expose articles in Harpers, etc. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jul-09-08 03:16 PM |
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you wouldn't mind if obama spied on you? may one ask why you are so willing to give up your |
niyad |
Jul-10-08 01:07 PM |
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To avoid the problem all Obama has to do is vote against the bill. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jul-09-08 12:09 PM |
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Obama must stack the court to appoint that many justices. Not at all a bad idea... |
FreepFryer |
Jul-09-08 12:15 PM |
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You are simply WRONG. The immunity cannot be undone ever. And the cases |
robinlynne |
Jul-09-08 12:16 PM |
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Wow. You are breathtakingly wrong. |
Ian_rd |
Jul-09-08 12:18 PM |
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If the media wasn't obsessing about this |
kpominville |
Jul-09-08 04:12 PM |
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This is the Constitution of the United States |
Ian_rd |
Jul-10-08 07:07 AM |
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lost that a long time ago |
kpominville |
Jul-10-08 01:08 PM |
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Power corrupts everyone |
Larkspur |
Jul-09-08 12:27 PM |
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I'm not sure that is entirely true... |
Fumesucker |
Jul-09-08 12:50 PM |
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You have been brainwashed by the media... |
AntiFascist |
Jul-09-08 12:46 PM |
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I thought Obama SUPPORTS the FISA bill. Why would he appoint SCOTUS likely to overturn it? |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jul-09-08 03:05 PM |
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You're assuming Obama will actively work to reverse this. |
JHB |
Jul-09-08 03:16 PM |
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Bullshit. Authoritarianism sucks. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-09-08 10:28 PM |
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Obama has no credibility on this issue |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-10-08 07:46 AM |
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So, you're saying that Obama's voting yes on FISA will help John McCain?... |
lame54 |
Jul-10-08 08:21 AM |
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ask any constitutional law scholar--the 4th amendment was killed yesterday, and I am heartsick |
niyad |
Jul-10-08 12:57 PM |
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Obviously Unconstitutional |
kpominville |
Jul-10-08 01:07 PM |
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the current court is unlikely to do anything of the kind, as it is a repuke majority, and |
niyad |
Jul-10-08 01:29 PM |
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No choice in the matter |
kpominville |
Jul-10-08 04:58 PM |
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since it is obviously unconstitutional, WHY did obama vote for it, or any of the other dems? |
niyad |
Jul-10-08 01:30 PM |
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What happened with Habeus Corpus? |
kpominville |
Jul-10-08 04:56 PM |
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that is the key question that this thread does not answer. n/t |
librechik |
Jul-10-08 05:24 PM |
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The first Supreme Court justices to resign will likely be the liberal ones |
MN Against Bush |
Jul-10-08 05:28 PM |
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