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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 04:50 PM
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39. dylan was never political untill this election
one of the reasons that he and joan broke up was that she wanted to go political and he did`t.

he questioned everyone and everything. his music meant different things to different people...
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  -Bob Dylan broke from the old left wing because they got too stifling. skooooo  Jul-08-08 03:48 PM   #0 
  - I remember people having a shit fit early on when he had the nerve to use  tularetom   Jul-08-08 03:52 PM   #1 
  - What any of that has to do with the "far left," however, remains a mystery  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-08-08 03:55 PM   #3 
  - I can see how you'd miss it..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 03:57 PM   #5 
     - I did read your post  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-08-08 04:23 PM   #16 
        - Since you say it's tenuous that makes it so?  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:25 PM   #18 
        - I agree. Dylan was never a real leftie, and his views have not changed much.  speedoo   Jul-08-08 04:32 PM   #20 
  - I remember... 1968  World Citizen   Jul-08-08 03:59 PM   #6 
     - Paradigm shifts upset people.  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:01 PM   #8 
     - perhaps because...  World Citizen   Jul-08-08 04:05 PM   #10 
        - ..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:14 PM   #11 
     - That was 1965, not 68. Dylan didn't play any live shows, save for  RandomKoolzip   Jul-09-08 01:32 AM   #106 
  - Nothing to do with far left  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-08-08 03:54 PM   #2 
  - Well I guess left wing politics can get just as stale as  skooooo   Jul-08-08 03:56 PM   #4 
     - Well, duh  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-08-08 04:22 PM   #14 
     - Not sure I understand all of what you wrote.  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:24 PM   #17 
        - Folk was supposed to be about organic communities  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-08-08 04:46 PM   #36 
           - Could find it easier to agree with you..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:48 PM   #38 
     - it's about orthodoxy  aspergris   Jul-08-08 04:35 PM   #23 
        - Hammer meet nail...  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:36 PM   #25 
        - Irony  LWolf   Jul-08-08 05:03 PM   #43 
        - No, not at all...  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:07 PM   #46 
        - good post  fishwax   Jul-08-08 05:17 PM   #50 
        - yer analysis is off imo  aspergris   Jul-08-08 05:18 PM   #51 
           - exactly.  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:24 PM   #53 
           - No, centrists aren't "fringe,"  LWolf   Jul-08-08 05:29 PM   #58 
              - Maybe if you're talking about people..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:33 PM   #60 
              - it is also  aspergris   Jul-08-08 05:42 PM   #66 
              - Good point.  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:44 PM   #67 
                 - Thx . warm fuzzies  aspergris   Jul-08-08 05:46 PM   #70 
                    - Aww!  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:50 PM   #73 
              - I'm talking about dogmatic groups.  LWolf   Jul-08-08 06:35 PM   #83 
              - I certainly don't buy that people in the center are inherently more "open"  fishwax   Jul-08-08 07:03 PM   #85 
                 - The "center" is by definition...  skooooo   Jul-08-08 07:35 PM   #90 
                    - of course it is, but it doesn't follow from that the people there are more open  fishwax   Jul-08-08 08:56 PM   #95 
                       - Words of wisdom!  skooooo   Jul-08-08 09:01 PM   #96 
              - But they are not  aspergris   Jul-08-08 05:40 PM   #63 
                 - No, but they are dogmatic,  LWolf   Jul-08-08 06:35 PM   #82 
                    - The center acts more out of practicality rather than ideology..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 07:29 PM   #87 
                       - The center is not dogmatic about issues.  LWolf   Jul-08-08 07:43 PM   #91 
                          - If that's what you think..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 07:57 PM   #93 
        - Except that power (and its abuse) and privilege (that is unwarranted) are only on the Right.  The Stranger   Jul-08-08 05:13 PM   #49 
           - your joking right?  aspergris   Jul-08-08 05:28 PM   #55 
              - Wrong. Not joking.  The Stranger   Jul-08-08 09:37 PM   #100 
                 - I want to respond to this..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 10:00 PM   #102 
                 - Still sounds like yer joking  aspergris   Jul-08-08 11:31 PM   #104 
                    - "Yer" still wrong. Not joking. But "liberty," huh?  The Stranger   Jul-09-08 09:21 AM   #111 
                       - Considering that marxism has been a miserable failure  aspergris   Jul-09-08 11:43 AM   #122 
                          - You're revealing a real ignorance when it comes to Marx.  The Stranger   Jul-10-08 09:07 AM   #140 
  - Bob Dylan broke from the folk elite crowd, not the left wing.  Oregone   Jul-08-08 04:00 PM   #7 
  - That's not what Pete Seeger and Singout! thought.  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:02 PM   #9 
     - And maybe the could be the problematic thinking right there...  Oregone   Jul-08-08 04:15 PM   #12 
     - Pete Seeger was definitely part of the political left...  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:20 PM   #13 
        - It had nothing to do with his lyrics  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-08-08 04:33 PM   #22 
        - The 3rd leg was content...  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:43 PM   #33 
        - No...  regnaD kciN   Jul-08-08 04:44 PM   #34 
        - I understand what you are trying to do but: Dylan is a musician, Obama is a politician  Oregone   Jul-08-08 04:36 PM   #24 
           - Paradigms and generational shifts..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:40 PM   #30 
     - "the left" ? perhaps the "old left", what about the  G_j   Jul-08-08 04:43 PM   #32 
        - Not sure what you're asking..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:46 PM   #37 
           - it seemed you were trying to show a link between the "left" of past and present  G_j   Jul-08-08 05:04 PM   #44 
              - It's not even about lefties..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:11 PM   #48 
  - because someone didn't like they style of Dylan's songs?  Iris   Jul-08-08 04:22 PM   #15 
  - It's not "style"  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:26 PM   #19 
  - Born Again  aspergris   Jul-08-08 04:33 PM   #21 
  - Nothing rocks out more than..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:37 PM   #29 
  - Slow Train Coming is an awesome record  Romulox   Jul-08-08 05:28 PM   #56 
     - Oh my god, I forgot about that line!!!  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:34 PM   #62 
        - Walk Hard  aspergris   Jul-08-08 05:44 PM   #69 
  - I saw footage of Dylan at Newport 1965 -- it WAS "tenth-rate drivel"...  regnaD kciN   Jul-08-08 04:37 PM   #26 
  - Did it make you feel like shouting, "Judas?"  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:41 PM   #31 
     - No, but if I'd been there, it would have made me feel like shouting...  regnaD kciN   Jul-08-08 04:44 PM   #35 
        - oh, please.  Hannah Bell   Jul-08-08 06:26 PM   #79 
  - Some in the Counterculture at that time were looking for a leader  SidneyCarton   Jul-08-08 04:37 PM   #27 
  - I sometimes think that the far opposite ends of the political spectrum bend toward each other.  elocs   Jul-08-08 04:37 PM   #28 
  - I agree..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:51 PM   #40 
     - "Ideology without practicality is useless."  elocs   Jul-08-08 05:03 PM   #42 
  - dylan was never political untill this election  madrchsod   Jul-08-08 04:50 PM   #39 
  - Any ideas on why he spoke out now?  skooooo   Jul-08-08 04:52 PM   #41 
     - I have a few...  speedoo   Jul-08-08 05:33 PM   #61 
  - Umm - I don't know any of his songs except the everyone must get high one  sleebarker   Jul-08-08 05:06 PM   #45 
  - Um..you're really out of touch with what's being discussed here..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:09 PM   #47 
  - When did this board become dedicated to CONSTANT attacks on the Left???  Romulox   Jul-08-08 05:23 PM   #52 
  - It's not about the left, it's about strict dogma.  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:31 PM   #59 
  - Ever since DLC supporters increased in number  notsodumbhillbilly   Jul-08-08 09:37 PM   #99 
     - make assumptions much?  skooooo   Jul-08-08 10:03 PM   #103 
  - Well, he's supporting Obama now. Who is hardly of the "old" or "new" left.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-08-08 05:24 PM   #54 
  - "Dylan's 1965 Newport performance provoked an outraged response from the folk music establishment.  Hannah Bell   Jul-08-08 05:28 PM   #57 
  - Dylan was cool, but I still think Lou Reed defined Urban Poetry in Rock  Taverner   Jul-08-08 05:41 PM   #64 
  - Looouuuu!  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:42 PM   #65 
  - Dylan made it possible for Reed to have a forum and a chance to take risks...  mitchum   Jul-08-08 09:57 PM   #101 
  - The story is a myth. The OP uses it to present another BS myth about "the left"  Hannah Bell   Jul-08-08 05:44 PM   #68 
  - I'm not "attacking the left"  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:48 PM   #71 
     - There are LOTS of dogmatic viewpoints here....  madfloridian   Jul-08-08 05:54 PM   #76 
     - the story is mythological. so whatever you're trying to do based on  Hannah Bell   Jul-08-08 06:04 PM   #77 
        - Ok...got your point already.  skooooo   Jul-08-08 06:10 PM   #78 
           - the footage is online. they probably cut out all the booing, & cut in cheering.  Hannah Bell   Jul-08-08 06:31 PM   #81 
              - pete seeger admitted he cried at Dylan's performance, but said he did  fishwax   Jul-08-08 07:24 PM   #86 
                 - If you want examples of Seeger and company..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 07:30 PM   #88 
                    - You're the only one interpreting. Look at the footage.  Hannah Bell   Jul-08-08 07:54 PM   #92 
                       - dylan did an interview in sing out as late as '68. sing out printed  Hannah Bell   Jul-08-08 08:38 PM   #94 
  - Dylan was never a "protest singer"; he is an artist.  David Zephyr   Jul-08-08 05:49 PM   #72 
  - ..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 05:51 PM   #75 
  - Exactly!  KT2000   Jul-09-08 01:36 AM   #108 
  - "Hurricane"  H2O Man   Jul-08-08 05:51 PM   #74 
  - Hurricane is "hit-you-over-the-head"  rucky   Jul-08-08 06:28 PM   #80 
  - Dylan's electric set on video: yarrow asks the crowd "do you want to hear bobby do another song?"  Hannah Bell   Jul-08-08 06:46 PM   #84 
  - And you centrists are so open minded and easy going.  stimbox   Jul-08-08 07:32 PM   #89 
  - I find his early "protest music"to be obvious, strident, and cringe inducing...  mitchum   Jul-08-08 09:30 PM   #97 
  - ..  skooooo   Jul-08-08 09:31 PM   #98 
  - Right on, except for the part about "inventing rock music." That's Ike Turner you're thinking of.  RandomKoolzip   Jul-09-08 01:35 AM   #107 
     - Ike Turner invented rockandroll...  mitchum   Jul-09-08 01:55 PM   #123 
  - What a pure example of blind dogmatism at work!  ConsAreLiars   Jul-09-08 12:48 AM   #105 
  - ...  skooooo   Jul-09-08 01:37 AM   #109 
     - Your response is no surprise.  ConsAreLiars   Jul-09-08 02:47 AM   #110 
        - That was a serious rebuttal..  skooooo   Jul-09-08 10:21 AM   #116 
           - I'm sure it was the very best you are capable of. Here's your sign:  ConsAreLiars   Jul-10-08 12:11 AM   #138 
  - I think this OP misses the point entirely  mdmc   Jul-09-08 09:45 AM   #112 
  - So agree with me.  skooooo   Jul-09-08 10:20 AM   #114 
     - Well, I know Pete Seeger is over it and pretty much on board  mdmc   Jul-09-08 11:26 AM   #120 
  - Bob Dylan never joined the "old left", or anybody else, whatsoever.  bemildred   Jul-09-08 10:11 AM   #113 
  - Never said he "joined" anything.  skooooo   Jul-09-08 10:21 AM   #115 
     - He never "broke with" them either, he never gave a shit what they thought.  bemildred   Jul-09-08 10:50 AM   #117 
        - Am I going to have to get my Dylan books out?  skooooo   Jul-09-08 10:53 AM   #118 
           - Yes, do. Inundate me with knowledge.  bemildred   Jul-09-08 10:56 AM   #119 
              - It's Halloween, and I've got my Bob Dylan mask on.  skooooo   Jul-09-08 03:02 PM   #124 
                 - Tell me what Dylan said or shutup.  bemildred   Jul-09-08 10:52 PM   #127 
                    - I explained my point sufficiently  skooooo   Jul-09-08 10:58 PM   #128 
                       - That's all very well, you are welcome to your point, but it is not my point.  bemildred   Jul-09-08 11:02 PM   #129 
                          - Well I guess that's right...  skooooo   Jul-09-08 11:03 PM   #130 
                             - It's an old story, more to do with egos than left-right politics.  bemildred   Jul-09-08 11:09 PM   #132 
                                - Right, orthodoxies...  skooooo   Jul-09-08 11:11 PM   #133 
                                   - Rigid. Simple minded. Inflexible. Conservative even. nt  bemildred   Jul-09-08 11:13 PM   #134 
                                      - That can come from either side...  skooooo   Jul-09-08 11:16 PM   #135 
                                         - Do you remember "Do your own thing?"  bemildred   Jul-09-08 11:29 PM   #137 
  - And Your Point Is ...?  Crisco   Jul-09-08 11:32 AM   #121 
  - Orthodoxy..  skooooo   Jul-09-08 03:04 PM   #125 
  - you're the one who is calling for "Orthodoxy"  mix   Jul-09-08 11:17 PM   #136 
  - he doesn't have one. the incident was fictional, & his vision of some  Hannah Bell   Jul-09-08 09:32 PM   #126 
  - why not attack McCain & the Right  mix   Jul-09-08 11:05 PM   #131 
  - Evidently, you know very little about Bob Dylan  Joe Fields   Jul-10-08 12:16 AM   #139 
 

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